GUILTY Turkey - Sarai Sierra, 33, NY woman murdered, Istanbul, 21 Jan 2013 - #4

[english]

I missed that...can you link the article?

http://haber.mynet.com/sarai-sierranin-katil-zanlisi-o-mu-678499-yasam/

 

[CMac2]

Additionally i just want to say: I needed to step back and take a break from this board for a while. It was definitely getting the best of me. And between that and feeling under the weather (Lyme symptoms having their way with me) I guess my patience went out the window. It's really not in my character to be so rude, so my sincere apologies to anyone I offended.
I really do appreciate the mods keeping tabs on these boards and making sure we are all reminded to be respectful of each other.

I thought it was just your demeanor- you know, the cranky-metropolitan type. Just kidding. Your absence was noticed and missed. Welcome back! :seeya:

 

[english]

Interesting. Did anyone not the time stamp on the eminonu picture was at 1:29 in the afternoon?

The first thing I noticed.

 

[Herat]

Hmmmm, yes, this is how she presented herself in Amsterdam, more 1960's look....

In think there is a bag on the right shoulder.

In the striding photo, she is not walking as if her right arm is free. She is tilted slightly, the way you do when you are trying to keep a bag on your shoulder and her right arm might be holding a purse in tight to the body. It looks like there is a thin tan thing in the region of her right shoulder/arm region.

Her right arm could be in the same position securing a shoulder bag in the closer shot. Can't really tell.

It does look like there is the corner of a small tan structure can be seen beind her right shoulder /back in the closer photo. There is a grid from the pavement and it seems to not be part of that grid.

 

[ThinkHard]

True, but some are. He did tell his sister he thought Sarai was with the CIA. Maybe he wasn't ok with that...

Most violent mentally disturbed patients have some form of antisocial personality disorder where they lack empathy and emotion for others. But I hear your point. I just want us to keep in mind, that we do not know what his mental health status was.

Going back to my theory about him witnessing something...perhaps he did witness it, and because of who the perp was is what made him think she was part of the CIA. Or maybe he thought that because that was one of the early rumors in the paper, and he stuck to that theory, just like any of us have stuck to certain theories.

Even if he was a paranoid schizophrenic who thought she was in the CIA, it does not mean he killed her. I also have a little trouble understanding why if he thought she was part of the CIA why he would kill a CIA agent.

Again I just have a really hard time believing SS would be venturing in those walls area alone. Anyone who has ever been there can tell you it's just a very creepy place. I give SS more credit, and feel like she would have been too wise to be in the spot by herself. I guess that's my biggest issue with the random attack theory.

 

[CMac2]

I was walking along the seaside side of the road and felt unsafe which is why I can't imagine she would have walked the other side of the road, even less can I imagine her straying from the path.

It seems the consensus of everyone who has been to the area SS was last seen/was subsequently found is that it does not seem safe.

Why wouldn't SS have turned around? I can see accidentally finding yourself in a strange area after wandering around a bit- but once you realize you are no longer on the beaten path, and are coming onto an area that, frankly, seems unsafe- why don't you turn around??

This makes me think she was there on purpose. To meet someone, perhaps. Whatever made her go to this area is something worth taking the (seemingly) obvious safety risk for. Either someone was meeting her there that she felt she would be protected with, or something bigger than her concern for her safety brought her there. It makes most sense to me that she was meeting someone there, and doing so on purpose.

 

[NewYork625]

It seems the consensus of everyone who has been to the area SS was last seen/was subsequently found is that it does not seem safe.

Why wouldn't SS have turned around? I can see accidentally finding yourself in a strange area after wandering around a bit- but once you realize you are no longer on the beaten path, and are coming onto an area that, frankly, seems unsafe- why don't you turn around??

This makes me think she was there on purpose. To meet someone, perhaps. Whatever made her go to this area is something worth taking the (seemingly) obvious safety risk for. Either someone was meeting her there that she felt she would be protected with, or something bigger than her concern for her safety brought her there. It makes most sense to me that she was meeting someone there, and doing so on purpose.

Did T tell her about the walls? Had he photographed them? Had they planned to go to the walls together? I can't remember now...

 

[SANDOVAL]

Hmmmm, yes, this is how she presented herself in Amsterdam, more 1960's look....

I hate to think it, but possibly meeting up again with some contact from the Amsterdam/Munich trip?

 

[ThinkHard]

http://psychcentral.com/news/2009/05/21/schizophrenia-does-not-influence-risk-of-violent-crime/6016.html

"Twenty-eight percent of those with schizophrenia and co-occurring substance abuse were convicted of violent crime, compared to eight percent of those with schizophrenia and no substance abuse, and five percent of the general population."

Perhaps he fit in more with the substance abuse addicts in the area?

Perhaps. But the substance he would have had most access too, to abuse would be paint thinner or glue. And that type of addiction would make it difficult for him to hold a job and show up to it regularly, and from whats been reported he was a regular worker in the garbage collecting community.

Psychology happens to be my area of expertise (mainly child psych and neuropsychology). But for a while in undergrad I did want to be a criminal profiler so I have a few criminology classes under my belt.

 

[Herat]

I don't think she is wearing an outfit for photographing dangerous dirty, rough places.

She is wearing an outfit for socializing.

 

[NewYork625]

I hate to think it, but possibly meeting up again with some contact from the Amsterdam/Munich trip?

But why meet there of all places? :waitasec:

 

[Herat]

I hate to think it, but possibly meeting up again with some contact from the Amsterdam/Munich trip?

EXACTLY. That's just what I was thinking.

Which also relates back to ToutCa's comment about the Munich stop still being part of the investigation.

Yipes.

This is making me mental.ullhair:

 

[SANDOVAL]

But why meet there of all places? :waitasec:

Where was that photo taken?
http://www.internethaber.com/sarainin-olmeden-onceki-son-hali-504455h.htm

 

[CMac2]

Did T tell her about the walls? Had he photographed them? Had they planned to go to the walls together? I can't remember now...

As far as I know, T's story is that they attempted to make plans to meet at the Bridge. That SS had asked him where she should go on her last full day of sight seeing, and he recommended the bridge (even though she'd already been there previously- another thing I found odd). He says they never actually connected, though. He claims there were technology issues with their messages not being delivered, but also says he went to the bridge that morning to meet her, but didn't see her there.

He didn't say anything to LE about meeting her at the walls, but I think some sleuthers here said they saw pics of the walls on his IG page? Something like that, anyway.

 

[Herat]

That red shirt makes her easy to spot, doesn't it?

Things that make you go hmmmmmmmm

 

[Yashim]

I wonder how big is the cart? Could it be used to transport a body?

We don't know if he has a cart. Do we?

If he had, he could even fit two bodies in it. Google link gives good examples.

But some trashman just use a strong big plastic bag, as big as a big kitchen, restaurant trash bag (30 gallons perhaps?)

 

[english]

Did T tell her about the walls? Had he photographed them? Had they planned to go to the walls together? I can't remember now...

Unless he had planned on robbery, rape or murder, the only reason I can think that he would have mentioned the walls would be to tell her to stay away from them. We know he has a phone and computer so didn't need to rob her of those, if the tales of the previous night are to be believed the motive was not rape and, personally, I do not believe he had reached such an emotional attachment to murder.

 

[CMac2]

http://psychcentral.com/news/2009/05/21/schizophrenia-does-not-influence-risk-of-violent-crime/6016.html

"Twenty-eight percent of those with schizophrenia and co-occurring substance abuse were convicted of violent crime, compared to eight percent of those with schizophrenia and no substance abuse, and five percent of the general population."

Perhaps he fit in more with the substance abuse addicts in the area?

I have to wonder what percentage of this 28% were convicted of crimes they did not commit due to lack of adequate counsel, and societal stigmas relating to schizophrenia. Unfortunately, it would not surprise me if these cases amount to a significant portion of this 28% number. :twocents:

 

[Herat]

He says they never actually connected, though. He claims there were technology issues with their messages not being delivered, but also says he went to the bridge that morning to meet her, but didn't see her there.

So he had already volunteered an alibi as to why he might observed in the general area, without getting too specific about Kennedy area?

 

[NewYork625]

I had assumed she had been wearing the cap with her hair tucked up under it to appear modest and blend in. Maybe when she saw that not everyone dressed that way, she felt more comfortable being herself. Perhaps she was out for a walk and happened upon the ruins and thought it was a good place to take some photos.