TX - 22 killed, 26 injured at Walmart, Cielo Vista, El Paso, 3 Aug 2019 *ARREST*

[gitana1]

Soldier describes carrying children to safety from El Paso mall: 'What I'm supposed to do'
SABBM:
"I was putting the babies before myself because I just thought about if I had a child and if I wasn't around my child, how I would want another man to react if they [saw] my child running around without me around," he said.

When Scott thanked him for his actions, Oakley responded: "That's what I'm supposed to do."

Oakley was buying a jersey in a sports store and initially heard about the shooting when a "little kid" came in and said that there was an active shooter. The shooting took place in and around a Walmart near the mall.

He initially dismissed the news but said things changed when he heard the gunshots. "I'm in the military and I also have my license to carry ... being in the military you just instantly think fast ... take cover, get whoever you can," he said.

Also, video of him being interviewed on scene is here:

Ryan Saavedra on Twitter
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For anyone who hasn't yet heard this story about U.S. Army Specialist, Glen Oakley, it's definitely worth a watch and listen. I've watched it a few times to make myself feel better about humanity as a whole.

He's one of the Good Guys.

In an otherwise terrible, horrible, no-good, very bad day, we need to reminded there are still people like Specialist Oakley in the world.

Brave people. Decent people. Honorable people.

The Army really should award Specialist Oakley a medal. It doesn't matter that he was off duty.

His heroic actions today saved American lives.
Children's lives.

He. Is. Awesome.

I'm actually much more interested in focusing on the brave, selfless actions of Specialist Oakley than on the senseless, self-centered actions of the No-Name shooter.

JMO.

Aww. It made me tear up. Darn. Good man. He could've just ran. Instead he tried to grab the kids and get them to safety.

 

[Breezie]

'Very much a loner': What we know about Patrick Crusius, the suspect in the El Paso massacre

There is some good background info in this LA Times article.

 

[gitana1]

Video at the link

Devastating....a woman just rushed up to all the media outside the #WalMart in #ElPaso ...... “all I want to do is find my mom.”

Alex Rozier on Twitter

Do you know of she found her?

 

[HMSHood]

'Very much a loner': What we know about Patrick Crusius, the suspect in the El Paso massacre

There is some good background info in this LA Times article.

From the article.

Leigh Ann Locascio, a former neighbor, said Crusius was an extreme loner who always sat alone on the bus in junior high and high school. He spoke negatively of other kids who played sports or joined the school band, she said.

She described Crusius as “very much a loner, very stand-offish” and someone who “didn’t interact a whole lot with anyone.”

Her son, Tony Locascio, walked to school regularly with Crusius and his sister. Tony Locascio said Patrick Crusius only walked ahead or behind them, never interacting and always keeping to himself.

There is always something off about them. Got shades of Seung-Hui Cho and to some degree Adam Lanza.

 

[MassGuy]

'Very much a loner': What we know about Patrick Crusius, the suspect in the El Paso massacre

There is some good background info in this LA Times article.

Very interesting, and exactly what I expected.

He’s not just similar to other mass shooters, he’s prototypical.

A loner, who is incapable of interacting with others.

She described Crusius as “very much a loner, very stand-offish” and someone who “didn’t interact a whole lot with anyone.”

 

[Charlot123]

The moment I read about “the manifesto”, I knew it would be some racist stuff, or something homophobic, or both.

Read and realized I was right. Anti-Hispanic.

However, the man can express himself in a coherent way and able to convey the sense of hopelessness about the future. This is serious and concerning.

Remembering “the demise of guys”, a book by Zimbardo. The book to read:

Philip Zimbardo & Nikita Duncan - The Demise Of Guys: Why Boys Are Struggling And What We Can Do About It : Philip Zimbardo, Nikita Duncan : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

And this is his Ted talk

The demise of guys?

 

[gitana1]

Any time there is a shooter I think of Sylvia Seegrist. Her parents tried to get help for her. I think they influenced the laws in PA and her mother has been outspoken about mental illness. Sylvia Seegrist - Wikipedia

Except that woman was hardcore schizophrenic and making threats in public. Most of the time these cowards don't give their families or the courts or anyone much of anything to go on.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

He later told investigators he wanted to shoot as many Mexicans as possible, two law enforcement officials told ABC News.

Mass shooting leaves at least 20 dead, dozens injured in El Paso, police say

 

[Gardenista]

Do you know of she found her?

I don't. Hopefully she just in the hospital.

 

[Fairy1]

That's true. I still think it would make a difference.

I really don't think so, gitana. IMO, these guys are, basically, being radicalized online. I truly believe the public is better served knowing what we're up against.

 

[otto]

It is going to be very distressing when we learn more about and see the faces of the victims of this horrific tragedy in the coming days. This is when you fully appreciate the extent of the devastation caused to so many families. Thank you to all of you for your news updates and posts they are all much appreciated. Websleuths is always the best source of information.

So what happened? Why did this young man do this?
What went wrong with is thinking that he saw this as a good idea?

 

[cherrymeg]

Agreed.
The more we know about each other.
People's relationships with each other have been breaking down for a long time.
Very few even know the names of their neighbors.

I'm not suggesting people call the police because their neighbor is weird or doesn't recycle. Sometimes people notice that a friend or relative is acting weird but are afraid to further alienate them or jump to the wrong conclusion so they ignore warning signs. If someone says they have a gun and suggest violence check their house or room for one (or more) if you have access. I'm guessing there are other ways that psychologists could suggest. Probably better ways.

 

[Gardenista]

This is live right now. They just said another media briefing in 15 minutes

KFOX14 News on Twitter

 

[MassGuy]

So what happened? Why did this young man do this?
What went wrong with is thinking that he saw this as a good idea?

Pretty standard I think.

You have someone who is antisocial, and is very angry.

These people want to belong to something, and find an outlet in extremist hate.

By doing what he did, he achieves two goals:

Infamy

Revenge against those he has misdirected his anger against.

Edited to remove “personality” from “antisocial.”

 

[otto]

Pretty standard I think.

You have someone who has an antisocial personality, and is very angry.
These people want to belong to something, and find an outlet in extremist hate.
By doing what he did, he achieves two goals:
Infamy
Revenge against those he has misdirected his anger against.

Antisocial personality disorder has to fall into the DSM5.
Angry doesn't qualify.

If this is digitally connected with Christchurch 8chan community, then it is about belonging to something, like Daesh, where people join because it sounds nice.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

So what did socially awkward, angry, marginalized, different misfit young men do in the 1950s? Or ‘60s or ‘70s or ‘80s? They certainly had easy access to guns. Probably easier then than now. What were they doing instead of planning and committing mass murder? What changed?

 

[angelainwi]

So what did socially awkward, angry, marginalized, different misfit young men do in the 1950s? Or ‘60s or ‘70s or ‘80s? They certainly had easy access to guns. Probably easier then than now. What were they doing instead of planning and committing mass murder? What changed?

I think what changed is that they were able to connect with other loners online.

 

[cherrymeg]

I think what changed is that they were able to connect with other loners online.

Were guns different?

 

[MassGuy]

Antisocial personality disorder has to fall into the DSM5.
Angry doesn't qualify.

If this is digitally connected with Christchurch 8chan community, then it is about belonging to something, like Daesh, where people join because it sounds nice.

I meant to say just “antisocial.”

I’ve been following way too many serial killer cases, and “antisocial personality” was on my brain.

But yeah, you see the same thing with ISIS.

These people from the US who joined were typically not devout, it just appealed to them because “it sounds nice.”

Same thing here.

 

[Gardenista]

I've not spent much time on any of the "Chan" websites--just when these type of issues come up. I find the websites very confusing and hard to follow. Does everyone post anonymously, or do some people have regular handles? Do you have to login to post?