TX - 22 killed, 26 injured at Walmart, Cielo Vista, El Paso, 3 Aug 2019 *ARREST*

[Safeguard]

agreed! Do not give him the infamy he seeks. Those that really want to know can research it.

Yup and we would be the first ones doing it!

 

[MsBetsy]

People want to believe that there’s some easy solution here, one that will stop these things from happening.

Like there’s a simple, one size fits all answer.

There isn’t.

You can only hope to stop some of these attacks, and mitigate the loss of life in the ones that do occur.

Try to stop them, but recognize the reality at the same time.

Yes, and the number is just getting higher as the years go by.
I don't know what the average number is each year, but if the numbers keep going like they are now we are likely to have 500 shootings by the end of the year.
I think this one was the most deadly so far, since the shooting in Virginia. Imo

 

[GordianKnot]

Good. They're also printing his name though, like CNN, online, first paragraph.

I really wish the media would agree to stop that.

I mean go ahead and describe the person. Age. Where they're from. What they seemed to be into ok social media. But don't post their photos or names. Because even if that's easily found elsewhere, if the major networks refused it would have a huge impact. Especially if they say "as a network we are honoring the victims by minimizing publicity of the coward who harmed them." Editorializing? Not neutral? Yeah. But I think it's needed.

I agree.

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Legally, I don't think there's anything the government can do to restrict the media's coverage of mass shooting events, can they?

I've wondered if the government could ban the publication of images of mass shootings and/or mass shooters. Or are the images themselves considered forms of speech?

Our society has become desensitized enough to violence.

We don't need to keep bombarding our kids and teenagers with these images.

<modsnip>

What happened today wasn't a movie.
Tragically and horrifically, it was very real.

JMO.

 

[CSIDreamer]

I had no idea SWAT carries stop the bleed packets with them. I'm about a million years behind.

 

[NJSleuth91]

I couldn't agree more. And people who live in already beleaguered, violent communities really don't like that kind of coverage. I have a couple of students who were at the Borderline Bar and some family members who were in the Vegas shootings. Their lives seem irrevocably changed. It's one thing for an old person like me to feel cynical and sometimes, hopeless, but to see it in the eyes and minds of young people is very sad. And it leads to more violence and often self-harm.

There are many ways in which violence, especially paramilitary style violence, is glamorized in our culture.

Just heard that my friends in El Paso are all okay.

So many people out there have experienced gun violence or otherwise have PTSD related to violence...and plus kids could be watching... it's highly irresponsible to show that footage during daytime/evening news hours IMO.

I'm glad to hear your friends are ok.

 

[Mind your biscuits]

This is Texas, I have little doubt he’ll get the death penalty.
He can still be studied for years, as it takes a long time to be put to death.

Dylan Roof received the death penalty for his federal charges.

As did the Fort Hood shooter, Hassan, sp? currently on death row Ft Leavenworth ks. I lived in Texas for a few years, they seemed to dispatch one per month.

 

[Moonracer]

Writing a coherent diatribe about anything does not equate mental stability. If there were warning signs that he was a danger, there are so few facilities in operation that would contain a person who is a danger to society. We need to address the mental health crisis in the US...and soon. JMO.

Here, here. As someone who teaches in a correctional facility, I can add my anecdotal evidence/ experiences to support this. So many times, help was sought by the inmates themselves or by their families - and there was no help to be found. Not excusing criminal behavior, just saying there is No HELP out there for most.

 

[gngr~snap]

What we know about the El Paso shooting suspect,
"21, reportedly attended Collin College in McKinney, Texas from fall 2017 through spring 2019.


First published on August 3, 2019 / 8:00 PM

© 2019 CBS Interactive Inc. All Rights Reserved

 

[neesaki]

I agree.

<modsnip>

But legally, I don't think there's anything the government can do to restrict the media's coverage of mass shooting events, can they? I've wondered if the government could ban the publication of images or whether the images themselves are considered forms of speech.

Our society has become desensitized enough to violence.

We don't need to keep bombarding kids and teenagers with these images.

<modsnip>

What happened today wasn't a movie.
It was very real.
But the video of the images from today was posted to SM, and no doubt viewed by thousands of people, some of whom I'm sure were teenagers.

JMO.

Fox News is not stating the shooters name. They said they refuse to give him the notoriety (paraphrased). At least there's that.

 

[Lillymac]

Just check the latest news stories. There are quite a few links above to stories that give his name and his dogma.

So it's referring to the shooter? Thanks.

 

[TristanP]

They will, but this is the type of crime that almost always involves a lone person.

He didn’t need any help to do what he did.

Have there even been any mass shootings in America that involved more than one shooter besides Columbine? All the ones that keep popping into my head were single shooters.

 

[x_files]

Here, here. As someone who teaches in a correctional facility, I can add my anecdotal evidence/ experiences to support this. So many times, help was sought by the inmates themselves or by their families - and there was no help to be found. Not excusing criminal behavior, just saying there is No HELP out there for most.

I agree there's little help for those that feel they have no one to talk to or understand them, it could help prevent some shootings.

 

[Colorado303]

Patrick Crusius 7/27/98
from Allen, TX
https://www.facebook.com/patrick.crusius.12

MOO

Looks like they pulled down his FB page. Frustrating for those of us who want to dig into the details/mindset, but IMO a good thing. Better the shooter be frustrated that his profound thoughts won’t be seen by millions after all. Of course, plenty of people will still see it, but it’s a start. As pointed out by other posters, the internet makes it easy for disgruntled, angry loser loners to whip each other into a frenzy believing it’s somehow heroic to go out and kill lots of innocent people. Too many of them think fame/notoriety is glorious.

 

[Gardenista]

Looks like they pulled down his FB page. Frustrating for those of us who want to dig into the details/mindset, but IMO a good thing. Better the shooter be frustrated that his profound thoughts won’t be seen by millions after all. Of course, plenty of people will still see it, but it’s a start. As pointed out by other posters, the internet makes it easy for disgruntled, angry loser loners to whip each other into a frenzy believing it’s somehow heroic to go out and kill lots of innocent people. Too many of them think fame/notoriety is glorious.

There was nothing public on his FB page

 

[Sillybilly]

Bumping Tricia's post from earlier today.

Remember the name Tricia?? She owns this website.

THIS IS NOT A DISCUSSION ABOUT GUNS, GUN CONTROL, OR ANYTHING POLITICAL

THANK YOU,
TRICIA

To those who insist on bringing politics into the mix, please remember that politicizing a thread can result in Warning Points that remain on your WS account permanently.

 

[Colorado303]

Have there even been any mass shootings in America that involved more than one shooter besides Columbine? All the ones that keep popping into my head were single shooters.

zthe STEM school shooting in Littleton CO earlier this year had two.

 

[LadyL]

I had no idea SWAT carries stop the bleed packets with them. I'm about a million years behind.

[bbm]

what is that?

 

[TristanP]

I agree.

<modsnip>

But legally, I don't think there's anything the government can do to restrict the media's coverage of mass shooting events, can they? I've wondered if the government could ban the publication of images of mass shootings and/or mass shooters. Or are the images themselves considered forms of speech?

Our society has become desensitized enough to violence.

We don't need to keep bombarding our kids and teenagers with these images.

<modsnip>

What happened today wasn't a movie.
Tragically and horrifically, it was very real.

The video of the images from today was posted to SM, and no doubt viewed by thousands of people, many of whom I'm sure were teenagers.

As a society, whatever it is we're doing with our youth right now, we're doing it wrong.

We'd better figure out what we're doing wrong. And fast.

JMO.

I remember CNN being hardcore about not saying Adam Lanza’s name. It didn’t seem to make any difference, because since that December day in 2012, 2,188 more people have died in mass shootings in America, and that’s not counting today.

It’s going to take a lot more than not saying their names. I honestly don’t think the people doing this care if we know their names...they want us to know their crimes.

 

[neesaki]

I feel like we need to have armed guards at the entrance of every public place.

I wonder if Walmart will start having armed security guards. It's just a crying shame it's come to this, isn't it ?

 

[cody22]

Have there even been any mass shootings in America that involved more than one shooter besides Columbine? All the ones that keep popping into my head were single shooters.

San Bernadino had two, I believe.... A school shooting in Arkansas many years ago, had two very young shooters....moo