Then the next hurdle will the LE, FBI do SOMETHING?
TX - Active shooter at Allen Shopping Mall, multiple victims, 6 May 2023
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Then the next hurdle will the LE, FBI do SOMETHING?
Thsi may not be the case.
According to this article, he was discharged after 3 months of service under:
Army Regulation 635-200, paragraph 5–17, "Other designated physical or mental conditions."
This implies a more "catch -all" reason than failing a mental examination given upon enlisting.
Allen, Texas, mall shooting suspect Mauricio Garcia had brief 3-month stint in the US Army
Dallas mall shooting suspect Mauricio Garcia, who was shot and killed by police at the Allen Premium Outlets, had a previous, 3-month stint in the U.S. Army before he was terminated.
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Not on FB. He was using obscure, unmoderated social media sites. Find Aric Toler on Twitter to see what's been uncovered. And, as he puts it, he was using social media as more of a diary/manifesto, not as a place to connect with people.
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I'm a retired pharmacist that used to work at a facility that had a sizable psychiatric department. It's because of its misuse for things like people who were even suspected of being gay, or women who wanted to leave their wealthy abusive husbands, that it can't seem to be done now when it NEEDS to be done.
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He was removed from the US Army in 2008 over mental health issues.
Allen, Texas mall shooter was removed from Army over mental health concerns: law enforcement sources
Suspected shooter Mauricio Garcia posted neo-Nazi material on social media before killing eight people and injuring seven more at Allen Premium Outlets, law enforcement sources said. An on-duty security guard is among those killed.abc11.com
To me, that is a HUGE red flag. Not sure why this information was not available to prevent him from getting a job involvig guns or prevent him from legally buying guns and ammo. JMO.
Well, because you don't know what the general mental health issue was. I think sometimes we see mental health issues in the MSM and it's sensationalized to give the impression the person was psychotic or something. There's no evidence of this. What if he simply had ADHD and couldn't do the job? Or OCD? Or what if he had depression that is now much better? IMO, if we say people with any type of mental health struggle should never be in a job that requires weapons, we'd lose a lot of law enforcement officers, FBI agents, security guards, etc. This population is human like the rest of us and IMO, they likely struggle with anxiety, depression, and PTSD just because of what they do.
There's also a thin line between preventing employment in these fields based on mental health issues and the ADA, IMO.
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Or maybe he had mental health issues in 2008 that have now resolved or are well controlled. We don't know. Radicalization and criminality is not mental illness. Until we know more, I don't think we can assume he was mentally ill at the time of the shootings or that it played a role.
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"... you compartmentalize it and put it aside. And then when it happens in your backyard, you realize, you know, the horror of it.”
The Dallas Stars canceled a watch party that had been planned during their road playoff game Sunday night in the plaza outside their home arena, which is less than 30 miles from the mall where eight people were killed Saturday.
DeBoer, in his first season as coach, said that his family shops there and that Stars players go there, as well.
“It’s really close to home obviously, and just tragic,” DeBoer said. “Frankly, when you hear victims as young as 5 years old, you just, you get tired of hearing it. I think when you hear Sandy Hook and Parkland and Nashville, you know, unless it’s in your backyard, you compartmentalize it and put it aside. And then when it happens in your backyard, you realize, you know, the horror of it.”
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The Dallas Stars canceled a watch party that had been planned during their road playoff game Sunday night in the plaza outside their home arena, which is less than 30 miles from the mall where eight people were killed Saturday.
DeBoer, in his first season as coach, said that his family shops there and that Stars players go there, as well.
“It’s really close to home obviously, and just tragic,” DeBoer said. “Frankly, when you hear victims as young as 5 years old, you just, you get tired of hearing it. I think when you hear Sandy Hook and Parkland and Nashville, you know, unless it’s in your backyard, you compartmentalize it and put it aside. And then when it happens in your backyard, you realize, you know, the horror of it.”
At least 9 victims, including gunman, in Allen Texas mall shooting
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No one who is mentally unstable should possess a firearm. That's why many states are passing Red Flag laws. But I also don't know if this shooter had his weapons legally.
Texas doesn't have a Red Flag law to help families prevent an unstable loved one from possessing firearms. But in this case, there is still so much we don't know about the shooter or his family history.
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It isn't the military's job to monitor civilians.
Good point.
But... a physician member stated that though as a doctor, she can order somebody into long term treatment, the person must be an "imminent danger". She then related that this is a high standard to meet.
BEFORE they released him NOT after. I wonder what he did to be dishonorably discharged!
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Was he dishonorably discharged.
No, I'm say the politicians who are pushing the mental health "solutions" are the same hypocrites who refuse to enact common sense Red Flag laws which allow family members or LE to seize weapons before the person can inflict violence upon themselves or others. They just seize the weapons, they don't seize the person.
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I think we need a lot more info before we can say the Army should have done something or committed him, etc.
My spouse is in the Army and spent time as a Drill Sergeant for bootcamp. He removed many people or initiated the process to "kick out" many people that were not adapting to the military lifestyle. Many kids show up thinking they want to serve and get a reality check that shows them in fact they don't want to do this anymore. All they have to say is they want to harm themselves and they go right to medical. That could be true or not, but it's a sure way to "get out" if that is what they want. After reading @Cryptic 's post I looked up the regulation and have copy/pasted it below.
c. Chapter 5-17 (Other Designated Physical or Mental Conditions). This Chapter is very similar to Chapter 5-13, except that it covers conditions that fail to rise to what the doctors call a “disorder.” These are conditions such as chronic airsickness or seasickness, dyslexia, sleepwalking, claustrophobia or “other disorders manifesting disturbances or perception, thinking, emotional control or behavior sufficiently severe that the Soldier’s ability to effectively perform military duties is significantly impaired.” The key factor is that the condition must significantly impair a Soldier’s ability to perform his/her assigned military tasks.
My spouse is in the Army and spent time as a Drill Sergeant for bootcamp. He removed many people or initiated the process to "kick out" many people that were not adapting to the military lifestyle. Many kids show up thinking they want to serve and get a reality check that shows them in fact they don't want to do this anymore. All they have to say is they want to harm themselves and they go right to medical. That could be true or not, but it's a sure way to "get out" if that is what they want. After reading @Cryptic 's post I looked up the regulation and have copy/pasted it below.
Thsi may not be the case.
According to this article, he was discharged after 3 months of service under:
Army Regulation 635-200, paragraph 5–17, "Other designated physical or mental conditions."
This implies a more "catch -all" reason than failing a mental examination given upon enlisting.
Allen, Texas, mall shooting suspect Mauricio Garcia had brief 3-month stint in the US Army
Dallas mall shooting suspect Mauricio Garcia, who was shot and killed by police at the Allen Premium Outlets, had a previous, 3-month stint in the U.S. Army before he was terminated.www.foxnews.com
c. Chapter 5-17 (Other Designated Physical or Mental Conditions). This Chapter is very similar to Chapter 5-13, except that it covers conditions that fail to rise to what the doctors call a “disorder.” These are conditions such as chronic airsickness or seasickness, dyslexia, sleepwalking, claustrophobia or “other disorders manifesting disturbances or perception, thinking, emotional control or behavior sufficiently severe that the Soldier’s ability to effectively perform military duties is significantly impaired.” The key factor is that the condition must significantly impair a Soldier’s ability to perform his/her assigned military tasks.
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Info on the social media posts, and his tattoos, which leave no room for doubt about his beliefs.
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Texas gunman staked out mall to track peak times weeks before shooting
Texas mall gunman Mauricio Garcia (left) reportedly scoped out the scene of his crime to track when it would be busiest three weeks before he shot dead eight people in a senseless bloodbath.
That's the official response. I believe this unnamed source:Thsi may not be the case.
According to this article, he was discharged after 3 months of service under:
Army Regulation 635-200, paragraph 5–17, "Other designated physical or mental conditions."
This implies a more "catch -all" reason than failing a mental examination given upon enlisting.
Allen, Texas, mall shooting suspect Mauricio Garcia had brief 3-month stint in the US Army
Dallas mall shooting suspect Mauricio Garcia, who was shot and killed by police at the Allen Premium Outlets, had a previous, 3-month stint in the U.S. Army before he was terminated.
According to an Army official who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss personnel issues, though, Garcia was kicked out of the Army due to mental health issues.
Source: Army booted Allen mall gunman over mental health
The man accused of killing eight people and wounding several others in a mass shooting at a suburban Dallas shopping mall over the weekend apparently had been w
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Mauricio Garcia, 33, maintained a profile on the Russian social networking platform OK.RU, including posts referencing extremist online forums, such as 4chan, and content from white nationalists, including Nick Fuentes, an antisemitic white nationalist provocateur.
In the weeks before the attack, the shooter posted more than two dozen photos of the Allen Premium Outlets mall, where he was killed by an officer after the mass shooting Saturday, and surrounding areas, including several screenshots of Google location information, seemingly monitoring the mall at its busiest times.
Many of his posts referenced his mental health. In his final post, he lamented what his family might say and wrote that no psychologist would have been able to fix him.
In another post, he made disturbing comments about what makes a mass shooting "important" and praised a person who opened fire at a private Christian school in Nashville earlier this year, killing six people, including three children.
The shooter also posted a series of links to other sites, including a YouTube account that featured a video published the day of the shooting. In it he removes a "Scream" mask and says, "Not quite what you were expecting, huh?"
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*I’m not up on the thread yet. Is it known what he had against the mall?
In the weeks before the attack, the shooter posted more than two dozen photos of the Allen Premium Outlets mall, where he was killed by an officer after the mass shooting Saturday, and surrounding areas, including several screenshots of Google location information, seemingly monitoring the mall at its busiest times.
Many of his posts referenced his mental health. In his final post, he lamented what his family might say and wrote that no psychologist would have been able to fix him.
In another post, he made disturbing comments about what makes a mass shooting "important" and praised a person who opened fire at a private Christian school in Nashville earlier this year, killing six people, including three children.
The shooter also posted a series of links to other sites, including a YouTube account that featured a video published the day of the shooting. In it he removes a "Scream" mask and says, "Not quite what you were expecting, huh?"
Texas mall shooter ranted against Jews, women and racial minorities on apparent social media page
Mauricio Garcia, 33, maintained a profile on the Russian social networking platform OK.ru, which is part of a law enforcement investigation.
www.nbcnews.com
Gives me the creeps. How can these guys be so obsessed with hurting people.Info on the social media posts, and his tattoos, which leave no room for doubt about his beliefs.
Texas gunman staked out mall to track peak times weeks before shooting
Texas mall gunman Mauricio Garcia (left) reportedly scoped out the scene of his crime to track when it would be busiest three weeks before he shot dead eight people in a senseless bloodbath.
And we better hope it never is. IMO
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