Found Deceased TX - Alan White, 55, seen leaving LA Fitness, Dallas, 22 Oct 2020 #3

[Limecat]

This seems like a really well thought out murder for hire IMO. I can’t say who I think planned it due to TOS. Someone that knew what Alan drove (especially since he had the rental), who knew Alan’s routines, scoped out a place without cameras within 1 mile of his home, the car was spotless when found and found on the other side of town (distancing it and projecting blame on a seedier character possibly)and why no ground searches by family that live in town. I tend to pay attention to what folks aren’t doing though.

And someone who would know the timing of where Alan would be on that exact morning...maybe knowledge of his gym routine, and/or the fact he had a work/phone meeting at a specific time that morning.

I wonder if it is somehow connected to why Alan was seen using his phone while pumping gas? Like he got a text or message saying hey where are you? Because he didn’t use the gas station he normally did - I think it was a one-off because of the robbery of the usual station he used. So he almost had to be followed. Which I think dovetails with the fact that the “hit” happened in the short time between the gas station and home. Pure speculation. MOO

 

[Curious_in_NC]

This seems like a really well thought out murder for hire IMO. I can’t say who I think planned it due to TOS. Someone that knew what Alan drove (especially since he had the rental), who knew Alan’s routines, scoped out a place without cameras within 1 mile of his home, the car was spotless when found and found on the other side of town (distancing it and projecting blame on a seedier character possibly)and why no ground searches by family that live in town. I tend to pay attention to what folks aren’t doing though.

You make a compelling case for this @Mitch1. The reason why someone might want him to disappear could also be linked to whatever evidence surfaced that caused the investigators to classify him as "endangered" a couple of weeks back.

I'm not sure though I can agree about any significance for the lack ground searches. Where exactly should they search? There seems to be no reason to believe AW was with the car when it was ditched.

As an alternative to the murder for hire theory, could this have been planned initially as a kidnapping and then it went sideways? Like maybe they didn't expect he would be reported as missing as quickly as he was.

 

[Bridger]

It would be quite the unusual hit man-hirer who would pay off without a body or a funeral. I’m not parting with my money without some pretty iron clad evidence that the deed was done. Certainly wouldn’t believe it based on just a pic and a missing person.

 

[Bridger]

Forgot to add that people of means are usually sued before they’re killed for business deals gone wrong. Anything is possible, but unless Alan was involved in something pretty underhanded, there are much easier and more remunerative solutions to business disagreements.

 

[Limecat]

It would be quite the unusual hit man-hirer who would pay off without a body or a funeral. I’m not parting with my money without some pretty iron clad evidence that the deed was done. Certainly wouldn’t believe it based on just a pic and a missing person.

Maybe whomever hired the alleged hit GOT proof of Alan’s demise? Since we can only guess/speculate as to who would do such a thing and why, who’s to say the hirer doesn’t know that it was “mission accomplished “?

 

[Mitch1]

And someone who would know the timing of where Alan would be on that exact morning...maybe knowledge of his gym routine, and/or the fact he had a work/phone meeting at a specific time that morning.

I wonder if it is somehow connected to why Alan was seen using his phone while pumping gas? Like he got a text or message saying hey where are you? Because he didn’t use the gas station he normally did - I think it was a one-off because of the robbery of the usual station he used. So he almost had to be followed. Which I think dovetails with the fact that the “hit” happened in the short time between the gas station and home. Pure speculation. MOO

Yes, like maybe he went a certain way home bc he had already planned (or at least before driving to that gas station)to meet up with someone-thing is, if it was an individual involved that texted him then I feel like the
police should already have at least a POI, and why haven’t we heard about the path the phone was pinging that morning. That info at the very least should be back by now and they certainly could use Rusty’s phone for triangulation since initially it was ringing and not going to VM.
The interview detective Barnes gave, gave me the impression that there just are no leads- I think something isn’t being said particularly with regards to cell activity.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Yes, like maybe he went a certain way home bc he had already planned (or at least before driving to that gas station)to meet up with someone-thing is, if it was an individual involved that texted him then I feel like the
police should already have at least a POI, and why haven’t we heard about the path the phone was pinging that morning. That info at the very least should be back by now and they certainly could use Rusty’s phone for triangulation since initially it was ringing and not going to VM.
The interview detective Barnes gave, gave me the impression that there just are no leads- I think something isn’t being said particularly with regards to cell activity.

The only thing I can think of, is *if* he were texting with someone who was using a burner phone, it would be harder to track back. Not impossible, but far more difficult.

Upthread, I suggested he might have been texting a work colleague in advance of his 7am call, or entering gas tracking info in an app. Either scenario would have been discovered by LE by now IWT.

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[Mitch1]

You make a compelling case for this @Mitch1. The reason why someone might want him to disappear could also be linked to whatever evidence surfaced that caused the investigators to classify him as "endangered" a couple of weeks back.

I'm not sure though I can agree about any significance for the lack ground searches. Where exactly should they search? There seems to be no reason to believe AW was with the car when it was ditched.

As an alternative to the murder for hire theory, could this have been planned initially as a kidnapping and then it went sideways? Like maybe they didn't expect he would be reported as missing as quickly as he was.

Thanks, so for the ground searches I feel like they have a lot more to work with than some of the other cases I have followed. They know about where he disappeared, so they could knock on doors and businesses within that mile and inquire if anyone saw him. They know where his vehicle ended up, they definitely could search that area as well. There was an interview given (the one that included Alan’s mom) and watching it back it gave me straight up Jacqueline and Trezell West vibes, right down to the almost rehearsed sounding and down to the minute account of the search that was done that morning. Also the lack of eye contact with mom weirded me out a little. I also think that family being in town and staying at Alan’s would make a fantastic alibi, every bit as good as being out of town when something happens-like with Dr Sievers
Most importantly though, this is just my opinion of course. I never ride the fence as like to go with a theory with an open mind and let the facts move me in 1 direction or another, I feel like if the circumstances are compelling enough to move my theory then there must be something there that better explains everything.

 

[Mitch1]

The only thing I can think of, is *if* he were texting with someone who was using a burner phone, it would be harder to track back. Not impossible, but far more difficult.

Upthread, I suggested he might have been texting a work colleague in advance of his 7am call, or entering gas tracking info in an app. Either scenario would have been discovered by LE by now IWT.

Amateur opinion and speculation

Yes, work colleague definitely entered my mind as well as a burner phone or other person’s phone-this in my opinion is more likely.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

Ugh, please let LE have a POI by now, considering how much his relatives are relying on them...

 

[MoeInVA]

Given the crime rate, the area and the beautiful vehicle involved, I still favor a carjacking gone wrong. A really high percentage of carjackings right now are committed by teens. Someone got a little trigger happy with their gun, poor Alan ended up dead, they dumped him, dumped the car. JMO

 

[rosesfromangels]

Given the crime rate, the area and the beautiful vehicle involved, I still favor a carjacking gone wrong. A really high percentage of carjackings right now are committed by teens. Someone got a little trigger happy with their gun, poor Alan ended up dead, they dumped him, dumped the car. JMO

Yours is the most logical speculation, and likely accurate.

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[Nebenbei]

I still wonder if there is any connection with the two people who, a few hours, attempted to rob the 7-Eleven on Lemmon that Alan normally bought gas from and shot the clerk. At the time Alan went missing, police were still searching for them. I wonder of the robbers were still in the area and, knowing that the police were looking for them, needed a way to get out of the area.

 

[swedeheart]

I still wonder if there is any connection with the two people who, a few hours, attempted to rob the 7-Eleven on Lemmon that Alan normally bought gas from and shot the clerk. At the time Alan went missing, police were still searching for them. I wonder of the robbers were still in the area and, knowing that the police were looking for them, needed a way to get out of the area.

Sorry, I've forgotten many of the small details about Alan's case already. Wasn't the robbery just before he went missing? Could Alan have been a witness to that, or at least thought to be a witness by the perpetrators? Have they been caught?

 

[WiseOwl]

Sorry, I've forgotten many of the small details about Alan's case already. Wasn't the robbery just before he went missing? Could Alan have been a witness to that, or at least thought to be a witness by the perpetrators? Have they been caught?

The robbery took place at 1 am, 5 hours before Alan went missing. I don't recall if it's ever been reported that the perps were apprehended or not.

It would be incredibly ironic that Alan went missing that morning because he used another gas station instead of his usual one - coincidence or not?

 

[darring21]

The robbery took place at 1 am, 5 hours before Alan went missing. I don't recall if it's ever been reported that the perps were apprehended or not.

It would be incredibly ironic that Alan went missing that morning because he used another gas station instead of his usual one - coincidence or not?

At the time he went missing, I think they were still at large. I'm not sure if they have since been arrested.

 

[lex8396]

My humble opinion.....I do not believe this was car jacking or robbery. After all, Alan is missing. The perpetrators would not go to all the effort of hiding or transporting a body(alive or not) for those types of crimes. We arent aware of anyone attempting to use his atm card so if it was robbery gone wrong, they would leave him there. I'm leaning strongly toward this being related to his work and/or his investments. <modsnip>

 

[legalmomma]

I still wonder if there is any connection with the two people who, a few hours, attempted to rob the 7-Eleven on Lemmon that Alan normally bought gas from and shot the clerk. At the time Alan went missing, police were still searching for them. I wonder of the robbers were still in the area and, knowing that the police were looking for them, needed a way to get out of the area.

The ads block some of the content in this article but there were two robberies that early morning. Two people attacked at two convenience stores in Dallas

Dallas Police are looking for the attackers following a shooting and a stabbing at two convenience stores in Dallas.

Just after midnight, one person was stabbed at the 7-Eleven store on Ross Avenue near Hwy 75 Central Expressway in east Dallas. That victim was taken to the hospital.

About the same time there was a robbery a couple of miles away at another 7-Eleven on Lemmon Avenue near Wycliff in Oak Lawn. A clerk was shot and he, too, was taken to the hospital.

 

[Spartygirl]

Thanks, so for the ground searches I feel like they have a lot more to work with than some of the other cases I have followed. They know about where he disappeared, so they could knock on doors and businesses within that mile and inquire if anyone saw him. They know where his vehicle ended up, they definitely could search that area as well. There was an interview given (the one that included Alan’s mom) and watching it back it gave me straight up Jacqueline and Trezell West vibes, right down to the almost rehearsed sounding and down to the minute account of the search that was done that morning. Also the lack of eye contact with mom weirded me out a little. I also think that family being in town and staying at Alan’s would make a fantastic alibi, every bit as good as being out of town when something happens-like with Dr Sievers
Most importantly though, this is just my opinion of course. I never ride the fence as like to go with a theory with an open mind and let the facts move me in 1 direction or another, I feel like if the circumstances are compelling enough to move my theory then there must be something there that better explains everything.

Just curious though, what would be the motive if the "Jacueline and Trezell" vibes were possible in this case ??
I can see why you would say that, as I have thought along those lines, but cannot come up with a motive.

 

[TexLil]

Given the crime rate, the area and the beautiful vehicle involved, I still favor a carjacking gone wrong. A really high percentage of carjackings right now are committed by teens. Someone got a little trigger happy with their gun, poor Alan ended up dead, they dumped him, dumped the car. JMO

This is my take too. Wrong place, wrong time with the "right" vehicle. I think a random crime also would leave zero (or nearly zero) digital footprint and therefore much more difficult to track. MOO and very sad.