TX TX - Alan White, 55, seen leaving LA Fitness, found deceased, Dallas, 22 Oct 2020 #4

[Ontario Mom]

I just wanted to take a moment to thank each and every one of you that have shared your wisdom and personal experiences regarding what suicide "looks like". It's not something I'm very familiar with (thankfully) so hearing you explain it like this is incredibly helpful.

So, thank you very much.

 

[blue22]

<modsnip>

Suicide just feels wrong in this situation. No matter what people’s other experiences with suicide have been, I don’t think it applies here. If I turn out to be wrong, then so be it. A guy in Alan White’s situation does not end up the way he ended up. Not unless he got devastating news on his phone that caused him to make a sudden and devastating choice. That’s the only scenario that would make it make sense for me.

<modsnip> I don't know if I think it's suicide myself, but not because of his situation. Situation doesn't mean someone can't be in mental crisis. Making sudden and devastating choices does not depend on bad news. People suffer mental crisis regardless of news and situation. I think everyone feels how they feel about whether he was murdered or took his own life. <modsnip>

 

[Orgona]

On 13 May a body was found on the 14TH it was identified as AW.
I wonder how much longer will it take to announce COD and MOD.

 

[JosieMae]

We know that, theoretically, anyone is capable of suicide. And the act can be spontaneous.

But IMO, this is not what happened here. Why park the car at such a distance?

 

[clearskies1]

On 13 May a body was found on the 14TH it was identified as AW.
I wonder how much longer will it take to announce COD and MOD.

If LE or the prosecutor object to release of the autopsy report (claiming will interfere with investigation, prosecution etc) it's possible that it won't be announced for awhile.
https://www2.texasattorneygeneral.gov/opinions/openrecords/50abbott/orl/2006/htm/or200602989.htm

 

[helpfulcharlie]

If LE or the prosecutor object to release of the autopsy report (claiming will interfere with investigation, prosecution etc) it's possible that it won't be announced for awhile.
https://www2.texasattorneygeneral.gov/opinions/openrecords/50abbott/orl/2006/htm/or200602989.htm

That in itself would seem to rule out suicide.

 

[clearskies1]

That in itself would seem to rule out suicide.

Yes, if suicide, LE won't object to release I'm sure.

 

[blue22]

<modsnip>

Suicide just feels wrong in this situation. No matter what people’s other experiences with suicide have been, I don’t think it applies here. If I turn out to be wrong, then so be it. A guy in Alan White’s situation does not end up the way he ended up. Not unless he got devastating news on his phone that caused him to make a sudden and devastating choice. That’s the only scenario that would make it make sense for me.

<modsnip> I don't know if I think it's suicide myself, but not because of his situation. Situation doesn't mean someone can't be in mental crisis. Making sudden and devastating choices does not depend on bad news. People suffer mental crisis regardless of news and situation. I think everyone feels how they feel about whether he was murdered or took his own life. <modsnip>

We know that, theoretically, anyone is capable of suicide. And the act can be spontaneous.

But IMO, this is not what happened here. Why park the car at such a distance?

Yes, anyone can and does commit suicide. Plenty of people just like Alan commit suicide. With that said, I would be surprised if his death was the result of suicide. Not because of who he is, but based on the knowledge we have of location and such.

 

[RaechelK]

We know that, theoretically, anyone is capable of suicide. And the act can be spontaneous.

But IMO, this is not what happened here. Why park the car at such a distance?

I agree. I can’t see anyone randomly, on the spur of the moment that morning choosing that particular location for suicide. For one thing, it seems a little bit off the beaten path, not a place someone from 15 miles north would stumble upon spontaneously. If this case is a suicide, I think Alan pre-planned to use that location. If that were so, I wonder if he were trying to make it look like a homicide. Because it looks like a homicide to so many of us, including me. JMO.

 

[JosieMae]

I agree. I can’t see anyone randomly, on the spur of the moment that morning choosing that particular location for suicide. For one thing, it seems a little bit off the beaten path, not a place someone from 15 miles north would stumble upon spontaneously. If this case is a suicide, I think Alan pre-planned to use that location. If that were so, I wonder if he were trying to make it look like a homicide. Because it looks like a homicide to so many of us, including me. JMO.

That's an interesting notion!

I know people commit suicide with the idea to make it appear accidental. But what method of suicide would one choose to masquerade as murder? Hmmm ... interesting.

I suppose you could hire someone to murder you, but that seems like a stretch.

Thoughts?

 

[helpfulcharlie]

That's an interesting notion!

I know people commit suicide with the idea to make it appear accidental. But what method of suicide would one choose to masquerade as murder? Hmmm ... interesting.

I suppose you could hire someone to murder you, but that seems like a stretch.

Thoughts?

Suicide that doesn't want to look like a suicide for insurance purposes? Definitely a thing that happens. But accident is preferable to murder because AD&D policies would also kick in.

 

[annpats]

It could be a homicide made to look like a suicide....

 

[Shamrock1]

Suicide doesn’t void most life insurance policies. There may be a 1-2 year waiting period (from date of policy to date of death).

 

[Bridger]

If LE or the prosecutor object to release of the autopsy report (claiming will interfere with investigation, prosecution etc) it's possible that it won't be announced for awhile.
https://www2.texasattorneygeneral.gov/opinions/openrecords/50abbott/orl/2006/htm/or200602989.htm

I assume news organizations are familiar with the procedure in Texas and have filed requests for the autopsy report and if it is available, we’d know about it. But has anyone here tried?

 

[Altklug]

Can we just get of the subject suicide - it was not in this case! ( MO) to many factors against it! It always angers me if murdered victims have to endure the stigma of being labeled suicide !!! Many cases I have seen where the investigation turned to self harm !
When in fact the person couldn’t have killed herself - lazy and sloppy investigation ! Oh’ let’s just called it self harm because we have no idea how it could have happen.
Folks think out of the box we might come up with a motive after 7 months?
All my thinking stuff!

 

[JosieMae]

A suicide made to look like a homicide would be pretty outrageous and would be particularly tough on the family. Not to mention stretching the resources of LE.

No folks, I think we are almost certainly looking at foul play. And the longer the COD is withheld, the more likely it is. MOO.

 

[annpats]

A suicide made to look like a homicide would be pretty outrageous and would be particularly tough on the family.

I think it could be the other way around - a homicide made to look like a suicide....

 

[JosieMae]

I think it could be the other way around - a homicide made to look like a suicide....

Right. That is not an uncommon strategy for a murderer. Or the murderer's version of events, anyway. How many times have we seen that scenario on Dateline?

I'll really go out on a limb here - I suspect AW was walked into the woods and shot execution-style. The big question is motive.

(Total speculation on my part based on NO knowledge of the scene where the body was found.)

 

[annpats]

I'll really go out on a limb here - I suspect AW was walked into the woods and shot execution-style.

That mode of operating would to me, indicate a personal grudge or money extortion. It would also technically be kidnapping and opposed to carjacking, shooting and dumping the body.

My only query is how he was marched into the woods, from where his car was dumped, without screaming and hollering (or even attempting to run) for help.
Yes, he probably had a gun at his back, but surely better to try to get help in an area where people may hear and see you.

Yes, it could've angered the gunman and Alan may have been shot there and then, on road in the way to the woods.... but if you suspect you're going to be shot in the woods, then it's not really an issue.

Plus if the gunman had to shoot in the open, it'd be worse for him...more chance of witnesses.

 

[clearskies1]

That mode of operating would to me, indicate a personal grudge or money extortion. It would also technically be kidnapping and opposed to carjacking, shooting and dumping the body.

My only query is how he was marched into the woods, from where his car was dumped, without screaming and hollering (or even attempting to run) for help.
Yes, he probably had a gun at his back, but surely better to try to get help in an area where people may hear and see you.

Yes, it could've angered the gunman and Alan may have been shot there and then, on road in the way to the woods.... but if you suspect you're going to be shot in the woods, then it's not really an issue.

Plus if the gunman had to shoot in the open, it'd be worse for him...more chance of witnesses.

I think it's more likely that the car stopped by the woods and Alan was was taken out of the car there, near where his body was found. After the (presumed) killing, the person drove the car to the nearby lot. JMO.