GUILTY TX - Alanna Gallagher, 6, Saginaw, 1 July 2013 - #5

[skibaboo]

I've been paying attention to that 'piece of plastic' because LE did. But as we found out Monday was 'trash day' in that neighbourhood it could just be a piece of a trash bag left behind by refuse collectors (or bin men as we call them in the UK) It might be completely unrelated.

 

[AnnieOakley]

Do you mean the darkness above the evidence? It's a picture of a picture (photo taken of camera screen)

From the tweet the picture was attached to
Teresa Woodard ‏@twoodard8 1 Jul
Pic of our camera's screen. FBI evidence collectors appeared to zero in on piece of plastic in road. pic.twitter.com/kwkSkk6Ftj

If you do mean the darkness in the background I think, if you look at the 2nd picture https://twitter.com/twoodard8/status/351925836007473153/photo/1

You see there is a vehicle parked very close by. I think the darkness is part of the vehicle and the shadow cast by the vehicle. JMO

Thanks! Can you tell what is on the left hand side? It didn't look quite like a cone to me. I was trying to figure out how big it might be based on the arc of the shadow, but not knowing how far away the light source is makes it impossible.... Unless we assume the light source is the street light.... Hmmmm....

 

[human]

I've been paying attention to that 'piece of plastic' because LE did. But as we found out Monday was 'trash day' in that neighbourhood it could just be a piece of a trash bag left behind by refuse collectors (or bin men as we call them in the UK) It might be completely unrelated.

That is true. The day of garbage collection where I live is the cause of junk on the road.

So little info.

 

[skibaboo]

Thanks! Can you tell what is on the left hand side? It didn't look quite like a cone to me. I was trying to figure out how big it might be based on the arc of the shadow, but not knowing how far away the light source is makes it impossible.... Unless we assume the light source is the street light.... Hmmmm....

I've been staring at it myself for ages and can't figure it out. It looks circular, and it looks orange like a cone but I'm not sure. It could be a cone if at that very moment someone was just placing it on the ground, the shadow cast looks in the wrong place to me unless it was a little off the ground at the time. It could also be glare from a light and the shadow is unrelated. They had the crime scene lights up, I can't determine where the shadow is coming from myself.

 

[AnnieOakley]

I believe I figured out the location they are standing at. There are at the end of the property of the house at the corner of Cindy and Roundrock (west side of street). That fence ends at the driveway. That's kinda far back from the stop sign to be related to the case I guess. (Unless it has forensic evidence on it, and then I'm out of guesses...)

Sigh. I'm so anxious for some answer I this I have to keep my mind occupied with something!

 

[SapphireSteel]

Re Walmart Bags being used for suffocation -

ANYTHING that is stuffed down the airway will cause suffocation.

A sock, a ball of paper, a Walmart bag.

Either way, there was NO Walmart bag reported anywhere near Alanna, that we know of. If it was stuffed down her throat only LE would know about it.

Were the Walmart bags on the SW taken from the vehicles? In which case, as disposable bags are now illegal here, I have an assortment of bags in my car, in the back seat, in the trunk. It's easier to forget them this way .

If the Walmart bags were taken from the car and recorded as possible evidence - big deal.

If "Walmart Bag" was on the search warrant it means they are looking for bags out of the same batch.

A fine difference but an important one.

 

[IBsleuthin]

Question for more experienced sleuthers...

On the assumption that the Opal and Allana cases were connected, would there be a way of discovering whether one of the RSOs lived in the area 14 years ago and lives there now but with a sizeable hiatus in the middle (possibly due to a jail term)? So, basically looking for an RSO who moved into the area in recent years, but it turned out was also in the area 14 years ago (possibly prior to being registered as an RSO).

Perhaps an easier way would be to find out any RSO with this type of history who've been let out in the last year and specifically I'd be looking at who's been let out in the last 6 months.

 

[skibaboo]

I believe I figured out the location they are standing at. There are at the end of the property of the house at the corner of Cindy and Roundrock (west side of street). That fence ends at the driveway. That's kinda far back from the stop sign to be related to the case I guess. (Unless it has forensic evidence on it, and then I'm out of guesses...)

Sigh. I'm so anxious for some answer I this I have to keep my mind occupied with something!

I am just the same! :/

And I came to the same conclusion by comparing the picture and going down the streets on streetmap. I posted this pic in my post where I believe it was.

 

[IBsleuthin]

That is true. The day of garbage collection where I live is the cause of junk on the road.

So little info.

I would like to write a manual for police and it would include mandatory actions in cases like this.

One of my first actions is that ALL GARBAGE COLLECTION in the area cease and the containers become included in any search warrants.

I wonder if a judge can order an 'umbrella' type search warrant.


Seems to me didn't Sommers from Florida? Did they do this when she went missing?

 

[IBsleuthin]

Thanks. I think the same. It appears what they are not asking for is significant, to me.

In so many cases when the perp is caught and the info LE has is released, it is astounding what they had and knew,

Unfortunately, in the new KC age, I bet they are even more intense on what they have.

Sure, they got Jodi Arias, but even though she is on film, the jury is having issues.

Exactly. (Dang you're smart!). :seeya:

 

[SapphireSteel]

I would like to write a manual for police and it would include mandatory actions in cases like this.

One of my first actions is that ALL GARBAGE COLLECTION in the area cease and the containers become included in any search warrants.

I wonder if a judge can order an 'umbrella' type search warrant.


Seems to me didn't Sommers from Florida? Did they do this when she went missing?

Someone's beat you to it.

The FBI has written the Child Abduction Response Plan (CARP) which is the blueprint for LE the world over.

I have no doubt LE in Saginaw has got this one re. garbage collections. They have deeply suspicious minds and in Alanna's case it is VERY likely they will find something relevant in the local trash :cow:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/51536616/FBI-Child-Abduction-Response-Plan

 

[IBsleuthin]

Interesting. The binding of the feet and the taping of the head.

I can see having to restrain an adult woman, but I wonder what the taping of hands and feet is all about with Alanna.

Does this happen often with children?

Of course you know this is all....:moo:

As soon as I read that her head was in a plastic bag and her hands and feet were bound, I'm thinking sadistic killer. This is someone with a vivid ritual fantasy in their head about what they want to do and then did do to this child.


Then, the more I read the search warrant and the misinformation about what was she wrapped in, how was she wrapped, wow my head is swimming. That's the difficulty in doing this remotely. Basically I'm just guessing.

So in conclusion in my humble outsider opinion I think the binding was more about the fantasy than the restraint.

Very easy to restrain a child this size.

 

[KMouse]

I would like to write a manual for police and it would include mandatory actions in cases like this.

One of my first actions is that ALL GARBAGE COLLECTION in the area cease and the containers become included in any search warrants.

I wonder if a judge can order an 'umbrella' type search warrant.


Seems to me didn't Sommers from Florida? Did they do this when she went missing?

You would think that is evidence collection 101.

I have always said, take the shoes, vehicles, garbage and electronics.

 

[IBsleuthin]

Someone's beat you to it.

The FBI has written the Child Abduction Response Plan (CARP) which is the blueprint for LE the world over.

I have no doubt LE in Saginaw has got this one re. garbage collections. They have deeply suspicious minds and in Alanna's case it is VERY likely they will find something relevant in the local trash :cow:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/51536616/FBI-Child-Abduction-Response-Plan

Thank you for posting this. Luckily I did know about the FBI manual. I just think the POLICE don't often seem to utilize it the way they should.

We have a situation here locally with a missing adult woman and the guy who, 'likely, allegedly, maybe' killed her lived at a residence and the freaking dumpster was emptied the very next day. aaaaaaaagggggg. :scared: (and of course now after thousands of man hours spent searching no one can find her body and everyone is giving up).

Seems like there needs to be some kind of universal agreement.

I would love to compile the statistics on murdered victims who have been found within 2 blocks of their abduction or residence in the DUMPSTER. It's gotta be huge.

 

[IBsleuthin]

Just quickly google, "Victim found in Dumpster"

You'll be astounded at the numbers.

 

[IBsleuthin]

You would think that is evidence collection 101.

I have always said, take the shoes, vehicles, garbage and electronics.

I'm going to add you to my list of 'MUST HIRE'.

It really does seem like this would be 101 but sadly it's not. It makes me mad. Especially when the victim is later found in the dump. :stormingmad:

 

[SapphireSteel]

I'm thinking down another path.

I don't think the perp was an RSO or tying her for sexual fun.

I think the perp is a first timer and tied her because she kicked, bit, and scratched.

It is not easy to restrain a kicking biting 6 year old, trust me. My friend's 3 year old had a tantrum in the street one day and it took two of us to load her into the car and even then I copped a kick in my very pregnant stomach and the little witch laid on the back luggage rack and wailed all the way home, unrestrained. We figured if we got pulled over for illegally driving with a screaming kid in the luggage rack, we would invite the policeman to remove her himself.

Back to topic - I believe an experienced RSO would have planned better, kept her longer, hidden her body so it was perhaps never found. He obviously had a vehicle so travel was no problem.

I strongly feel that she was left by mistake. He was in such a goddam hurry to get out of there that he didn't realise he'd dropped her until he'd got where he was going, and then it was too late to return.

He must be a nervous wreck right now.

:moo:

 

[SapphireSteel]

Thank you for posting this. Luckily I did know about the FBI manual. I just think the POLICE don't often seem to utilize it the way they should.

We have a situation here locally with a missing adult woman and the guy who, 'likely, allegedly, maybe' killed her lived at a residence and the freaking dumpster was emptied the very next day. aaaaaaaagggggg. :scared: (and of course now after thousands of man hours spent searching no one can find her body and everyone is giving up).

Seems like there needs to be some kind of universal agreement.

I would love to compile the statistics on murdered victims who have been found within 2 blocks of their abduction or residence in the DUMPSTER. It's gotta be huge.

Note the plan is called the Child Abduction Response Plan.

A missing adult? Big deal. A missing child is a whole different ballgame.

Missing children are always, always, always treated very seriously by LE. CARP is almost always followed.

 

[IBsleuthin]

One last thought, pool water is distinct from lake water, tap water, river water ect...and can be tested with a simple ph.

That coroner MUST already know if she was drowned and HOPEFULLY tested the type of water.


Someone wrote that LE took samples from the parent's swimming pool?

This wouldn't take long to figure out if she drowned in the pool.

Curiouser and curiouser.

Until later, have a great day.



My hope is that one day we will all be writing about new scientific ways to PREVENT this from happening to another child rather than sitting her after the fact.

 

[IBsleuthin]

Note the plan is called the Child Abduction Response Plan.

A missing adult? Big deal. A missing child is a whole different ballgame.

Missing children are always, always, always treated very seriously by LE. CARP is almost always followed.

I see that. Thank you though for pointing it out.