TX - Austin Metcalf - 17 - fatally stabbed at track meet, 2 April 2025

  • #961
Thanks everyone. I will take it at this point as uncorroborated.
The details that caused that to be delved into were out there for all to see in many other publications until lawsuits were threatened and it all got censored. It was corroborated until the clamps got put down on it. Then it went *poof*. There were a lot more details of this being discussed, but those have now gone quiet. Just because it's not in the media doesn't mean anything. We'll see what comes out in trial.
 
  • #962
The details that caused that to be delved into were out there for all to see in many other publications until lawsuits were threatened and it all got censored. It was corroborated until the clamps got put down on it. Then it went *poof*. There were a lot more details of this being discussed, but those have now gone quiet. Just because it's not in the media doesn't mean anything. We'll see what comes out in trial.

Thanks @Quill -- I saw the initial tweet/X by CBS reporter, and her subsequent reply to an inquiry when she deleted the post-- that she was waiting for the School District's formal response, but I wasn't aware of other corroborated or censored news about the "incident" involving KA at his school.

However, I did witness the prosecution bring up this unspoken/unreported "incident" involving KA during his bond hearing, but the inquiry was also soon shut down when the defense responded that the incident did NOT involve police.

I got the feeling that the same threats were made against the school district -- probably falling into KA being a minor at the time, and/or Title IX/FERPA (civil rights). And I don't doubt that DomAlex (NGAN) yields all of this like a sharp sword every chance he gets! MOO

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  • #963
Thanks @Quill -- I saw the initial tweet/X by CBS reporter, and her subsequent reply to an inquiry when she deleted the post-- that she was waiting for the School District's formal response, but I wasn't aware of other corroborated or censored news about the "incident" involving KA at his school.

However, I did witness the prosecution bring up this unspoken/unreported "incident" involving KA during his bond hearing, but the inquiry was also soon shut down when the defense responded that the incident did NOT involve police.

I got the feeling that the same threats were made against the school district -- probably falling into KA being a minor at the time, and/or Title IX/FERPA (civil rights). And I don't doubt that DomAlex (NGAN) yields all of this like a sharp sword every chance he gets! MOO

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I think the critical issue for me is the issue of participation. Hypothetically, of course, if one is being disciplined they are typically not competing. Without getting into trouble here, I would say that is still a question that I personally have. It also is a key point to note that the meet was a district meet. In my world, this means that you have qualified for this meet in order to be rostered period. Not every team member automatically is rostered and in the experiences I have had both as a competitor and as a parent, only the qualifiers attended. Everyone else stays at school. IF any of the aforementioned and now deleted "incident" is true, I think it will play heavily into the prosecution. Hyposthetically, of course. We are operating at this time on "unknowing" something that got put out there. Time will tell, I suppose. Hopefully we will get the real truth and let's hope these threats do not derail justice for the victim(s).

Something that I have alway wondered is that most of these kids participating in a district meet are focused on their events and trying to place high enough to move on to a sectional type next-level event, right? Something was very out of focus that day, JMO.
 
  • #964
Something that I have alway wondered is that most of these kids participating in a district meet are focused on their events and trying to place high enough to move on to a sectional type next-level event, right? Something was very out of focus that day, JMO.
^^rsbm

I agree this (District Meet) was not an after-school, free-for-all-sporting event.

The only thing that makes sense to me is that the defendant was very angry when he showed up, concealing a knife, at the track event, and I don't think his anger was about the rain delay.

IMO, it follows that KA did not go to his own school tent, either because he was prohibited from competing due to a prior incident at school, or he failed to qualify for the event (by his performance), or both. Given KA was a graduating Senior, there would be no "do-over."

Was he resentful of Junior, Austin Metcalf?

Other than his parents claiming KA was the captain of his FB and Track teams, I don't know if either confirmed, but I did note that KA seems to have attended several high schools(??) per his hudl.com that is linked to his X account.



Austin is confirmed as a scholar athlete with several college invites he never got to attend.... :(


 
  • #965
^^rsbm

I agree this (District Meet) was not an after-school, free-for-all-sporting event.



Was he resentful of Junior, Austin Metcalf?

Other than his parents claiming KA was the captain of his FB and Track teams, I don't know if either confirmed, but I did note that KA seems to have attended several high schools(??) per his hudl.com that is linked to his X account.
SABBM.
Hmmm.... Wonder if he'd been kicked out of any schools for previous behavior issues ?
Imo.
 
  • #966
I wonder if his school records will even be considered. After all, at the bail hearing KA was considered a "perfect student" with 2 jobs, and a 3.7 GPA. The bail hearing was based on any previous "criminal" charges.
 
  • #967
SABBM.
Hmmm.... Wonder if he'd been kicked out of any schools for previous behavior issues ?
Imo.

IMO, being booted would be difficult to hide given the charges here. However, I could see the parents moving/transferring him to another school(s) where they believed the change would benefit KA. This young man seems to feel entitled, elite, and that nothing is his fault. Everybody else is wrong. This grooming started somewhere... JMO
 
  • #968
^^rsbm

I agree this (District Meet) was not an after-school, free-for-all-sporting event.

The only thing that makes sense to me is that the defendant was very angry when he showed up, concealing a knife, at the track event, and I don't think his anger was about the rain delay.

IMO, it follows that KA did not go to his own school tent, either because he was prohibited from competing due to a prior incident at school, or he failed to qualify for the event (by his performance), or both. Given KA was a graduating Senior, there would be no "do-over."

Was he resentful of Junior, Austin Metcalf?

Other than his parents claiming KA was the captain of his FB and Track teams, I don't know if either confirmed, but I did note that KA seems to have attended several high schools(??) per his hudl.com that is linked to his X account.



Austin is confirmed as a scholar athlete with several college invites he never got to attend.... :(


Excellent post. I agree on all points.
 
  • #969
Right. So, even with a Texas jury, I am not sure that this case is a slam dunk, based on Texas law.

Not victim blaming, but I always told my kids, don't confront others go get an adult. But would it have had the same outcome? I don't know.

1. KA was in a place he was allowed to be, lawfully. (Unspoken rules or "knowing" doesn't count).
2. KA had no duty to retreat.
3. KA lawfully "stood his ground".
Retreat from what?

Stand his ground against what?

There was no threat or hostile force or entity, or anyone coming at him, or brandishing a weapon toward him or near him, nothing and no one threatening him or scaring him or intimidating him.

If he felt scared or threatened in this non scary, non threatening environment, why wouldn't he just leave? No one was stopping him, in fact, they were asking him to leave.

No one stood in his way of exiting. No one was threatening his person or his possessions, which is when stand your ground or duty to retreat would come into play.

KA in the situation that he was in at that time is not protected by either of these two legal concepts. They cannot apply there. No obligation to retreat would apply if someone were attacking him or threatening to attack him or harm him or showing a weapon that might hurt him or to unlawfully take something of his. And besides, I thought that only applied to if you are in your own home or vehicle or confined space that you have made as your own. Maybe that's just Castle Doctrine, but nevertheless, in his situation, imo, the only reason that he didn't retreat, or I should say leave, is because then he wouldn't have been able to use the weapon he brought with him against some other person, as he did. That seems to have been his entire motive and goal for the moment, was to knife someone, imo.
 
  • #970
  • #971
I think it's a perfectly reasonable assumption to make. Athletes stay with their own teams under their own tents. Even when I was in school 40 years ago, we all knew the rules & protocols about staying out of the other team's spaces.
Correct, unspoken rule.
 
  • #972
The real question is why KA is not in jail. He killed a man with a knife, first degree murder in Texas, as determined by the Grand Jury. KA was carrying a knife on school property, which is a 3rd degree felony in Texas. And according to Texas law, a person who commits a murder, while committing a felony, is NOT eligible for bail.

At the time KA did have a bail hearing, he had not been charged with murder. That was not until after the grand jury determined the charges.
 
  • #973
The real question is why KA is not in jail. He killed a man with a knife, first degree murder in Texas, as determined by the Grand Jury. KA was carrying a knife on school property, which is a 3rd degree felony in Texas. And according to Texas law, a person who commits a murder, while committing a felony, is NOT eligible for bail.

At the time KA did have a bail hearing, he had not been charged with murder. That was not until after the grand jury determined the charges.
Talk about privilege.
 
  • #974
The real question is why KA is not in jail. He killed a man with a knife, first degree murder in Texas, as determined by the Grand Jury. KA was carrying a knife on school property, which is a 3rd degree felony in Texas. And according to Texas law, a person who commits a murder, while committing a felony, is NOT eligible for bail.

At the time KA did have a bail hearing, he had not been charged with murder. That was not until after the grand jury determined the charges.

This is not accurate. At the time of his arrest affidavit, KA was charged with 1st degree murder as confirmed by his then lawyers-- Billy Clark and Kim T. Cole when they released their first public statement on April 7. When a grand jury indicted KA on the same charge as investigators alleged (1st degree murder), the DA noted they were pleased that the jurors came to the same conclusion.

The real question is why was KA's first appearance canceled which was docketed for 7/18-- not before a Magistrate but before the District Court Judge who would likely address whether to revoke KA's bond and/or revise his bond conditions. IMO, KA's appearance was canceled, and his trial date set (secretly behind closed doors) for exactly this reason!

Anthony has been arrested on a murder charge in the case and is being held in the Collin County Jail on a $1 million bond, the Star-Telegram previously reported. “Karmelo like all citizens of the United States, is entitled to a fair and impartial legal process,” the defense attorneys said. “We are committed to ensuring that Karmelo’s rights are indeed protected throughout each phase of the criminal justice system.” Anthony’s attorneys said they plan to work with the Collin County District Attorney’s Office to seek an agreement to reduce his $1 million bond and a “better determination” of the filed charge, the release states. According to an arrest warrant affidavit, Anthony told police he was trying to protect himself when he stabbed Metcalf and he asked an officer if the killing could be considered self-defense.

Read more at: https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/crime/article303681941.html#storylink=cpy
 
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  • #975
So, @Seattle1, why isn't KA in jail? Do we know what size knife KA used?
 
  • #976
From the Court Docket,

What was supposed to be KA's First Appearance following his Indictment -- docketed for 7/18/25 at 9 AM-- where KA had been Ordered to Appear-- has been changed to "No Appearance Required"... "Attorney appearance only."

However, the last entry to the Docket does reflect: 6/1/26 * 9AM * Jury Trial.

Of note, there was also another "Letter of Representation" entered on 6/30/25--making a total of three Representatives for KA, including the Letters on 4/7/25 and 6/25/25.

At this time, the only Attorney named on the defendant's record is: Mike Howard (24047384)


This secrecy, lack of transparency, and special privilege extended to defendant KA in the Court is highly inappropriate and the ultimate form of disrespect to the victim, his family, and the community.

I don't understand who decided from the start that KA was a celebrity. MOO 🤯

Bumping the Court Docket change (in silence).
 
  • #977
  • #978
Right. So, even with a Texas jury, I am not sure that this case is a slam dunk, based on Texas law.

Not victim blaming, but I always told my kids, don't confront others go get an adult. But would it have had the same outcome? I don't know.

1. KA was in a place he was allowed to be, lawfully. (Unspoken rules or "knowing" doesn't count).
2. KA had no duty to retreat.
3. KA lawfully "stood his ground".

Good point about the concept that unspoken rules and "knowing" do not count in the general sense. But..... the concepts still might be able to be worked in if K claims SYG.

Texas Stand Your Ground Law has two additional components that limit SYG defenses:

1. The Strongest: One cannot be in violation of any law and claim an SYG defense in Texas. "K" had a knife on school property which is a violation of law. So.... no SYG defense based on this alone.

2. One cannot provoke the victim, then SYG in Texas. Provocation is, of course, a matter of opinion for judges. But..... two possible provocations could include: a. Sitting under another teams tent- then refusing to leave. b. Daring the victim to do something about it "Touch me and find out!".

I think the prosecutor could make a claim of provocation in addition to the automatic SYG exclusion based on K being in violation of the law. For example, would it be seen as a provocation if:

- I see another family having a picnic at a park. I sit at "their table. When they ask me to leave, I challenge the father.
 
  • #979
Thanks @Quill -- I saw the initial tweet/X by CBS reporter, and her subsequent reply to an inquiry when she deleted the post-- that she was waiting for the School District's formal response, but I wasn't aware of other corroborated or censored news about the "incident" involving KA at his school.

However, I did witness the prosecution bring up this unspoken/unreported "incident" involving KA during his bond hearing, but the inquiry was also soon shut down when the defense responded that the incident did NOT involve police.

I got the feeling that the same threats were made against the school district -- probably falling into KA being a minor at the time, and/or Title IX/FERPA (civil rights). And I don't doubt that DomAlex (NGAN) yields all of this like a sharp sword every chance he gets! MOO

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too bad it didn't, had that incident prompted school to involve LE, maybe Mr. Anthony wouldn't have felt so emboldened to continue his behaviors which culminated in him stabbing his victim.
 
  • #980
ty for this link. In reading, I note that that the initial officers who took KA into cusody describes him at one point as "emotional". Second officers makes no mention of KA's demeanor. Third officer describes him a "crying hysterically"

also on page 6 and 7 is a list of in excess of 20 student witnesses to the stabbing (redacted of course) adn two caches who witnessed the stabbing, and several others who witnessed KA saying he was responsible for it.. I am glad there were so many witnesses and that they all came forward to give statements.
 

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