TX - Botham Shem Jean, 26, killed when police officer entered his apartment, Dallas, Sept 2018 #3

[scarlettbones]

Found it!

Amber Guyger: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

4. Amber Guyger Was the Only Woman on an Elite Police Unit & Commented on Fitness Websites

The Dallas Morning News reports that Guyger was the “sole woman” selected to serve on an “elite critical response team of about 10 officers who make high-risk arrests in the division’s crime hot spots.”

 

[VAgirlatheart]

On a serious note though, walking to a different apartment is easy to do. My mom actually was trying to get in the door at my apartment and was underneath at my neighbors. so it can happen but it's way different. 1) my mom would never really know the surroundings around it because she's doesnt live her and not even the same state so when she comes to visit, I'm sure she doesn't pay attention 2) She did have my keys and tried to get in but realized it once it didn't work and noticed she wasn't on the top floor which is the last floor in my building 3) when she told me that, I freaked out about it because in my mind, my neighbor could have easily shot her. But never once would I think that the other person trying to get in would shoot me .. other way around yes, but it just makes zero sense especially for someone living there.

 

[Jennifer17]

On a serious note though, walking to a different apartment is easy to do. My mom actually was trying to get in the door at my apartment and was underneath at my neighbors. so it can happen but it's way different. 1) my mom would never really know the surroundings around it because she's doesnt live her and not even the same state so when she comes to visit, I'm sure she doesn't pay attention 2) She did have my keys and tried to get in but realized it once it didn't work and noticed she wasn't on the top floor which is the last floor in my building 3) when she told me that, I freaked out about it because in my mind, my neighbor could have easily shot her. But never once would I think that the other person trying to get in would shoot me .. other way around yes, but it just makes zero sense especially for someone living there.

I am sorry if my reply sounds anti American, (it is not, just a statement of fact) but that would never, ever happen in the part of the world that I live in. I mean that your mother may have been shot because she tried the key in the wrong door.

 

[DisturbedConcerned]

I suppose, knowing how photography works, I hope the level of lumens in his apartment with door open, similar atmospheric conditions (mainly clear or cloudy) as the night of the murder have been taken and compared with various other settings to illustrate to a panelist how his apartment really wasn't too dark for her to see with the window blinds wide open and the hallway door also allowing light to illuminate the victim.

The video JC did last Tuesday and hosted on Facebook, thanks whoever shared that, shows it being dark although she explains her place actually isn't. The level of lighting is extremely difficult to capture and accurately illustrate using cameras. She additionally states that his place on the courtyard side would have more light although she didn't say why.

Kudos for her showing even if you gently and purposely attempt to ease the door onto the door casing and latch mechanism it cannot be left ajar.

Without allowing it to swing close, the door still fully closes automatically which means unless you place an object between the door and its casing, it CANNOT BE PROPPED OPEN or left ajar.

AG IS A LIAR and we all know what else that makes her as well.

That anyone with DPD or the Rangers did not want her indicted for murder and abused their power to prevent it, is an outrage.

 

[VAgirlatheart]

I'm gonna go to sleep after this post, so feel free to comment. But a few questions that maybe y'all have seen addressed.

1) Does the doors act like hotel door and automatically locks behind you. I know it's a sure slam door but curious to know.

And how many floors does this place have and is ground level considered floor 1 or ground?


Can we verify when she actually got off from work and that it is true especially if we feel that Dallas PD is trying to save her and probably their t00 because she was in uniform. I just have this crazy feeling that she didn't just get off from work..

I don't think this theory is possible at all but someone mentioned that she was coming from a bar and was drunk which is the most ridiculous story because I doubt she's allowed to even be in a bar in uniform. So that's out but things do make you scratch your head.

Or theory that she got home for work and he was up playing music and it pissed her off and she went up stairs and got was banging so loud that the witness's may have heard that. I don't know if that's a possibility either neighbors would have heard music as well. But this makes no sense because why would you be that angry. Surely, you would not shoot someone over that but then again, with all the craziest things that have happened the last few years, it never surprises me.

 

[Via Marple]

I suppose, knowing how photography works, I hope the level of lumens in his apartment with door open, similar atmospheric conditions (mainly clear or cloudy) as the night of the murder have been taken and compared with various other settings to illustrate to a panelist how his apartment really wasn't too dark for her to see with the window blinds wide open and the hallway door also allowing light to illuminate the victim.

The video JC did last Tuesday and hosted on Facebook, thanks whoever shared that, shows it being dark although she explains her place actually isn't. The level of lighting is extremely difficult to capture and accurately illustrate using cameras. She additionally states that his place on the courtyard side would have more light although she didn't say why.

Kudos for her showing even if you gently and purposely attempt to ease the door onto the door casing and latch mechanism it cannot be left ajar.

Without allowing it to swing close, the door still fully closes automatically which means unless you place an object between the door and its casing, it CANNOT BE PROPPED OPEN or left ajar.

AG IS A LIAR and we all know what else that makes her as well.

That anyone with DPD or the Rangers did not want her indicted for murder and abused their power to prevent it, is an outrage.

A proper investigation should do a re-enactment at the scene as described by the suspect's story, and by other witnesses, to check and verify various details. That should include checking the light level and so on.

Can't really trust there is a proper investigation going on so far.

If AG has really moved out of her apartment without it having been searched, it's not just an outrage, it's a scandal.

 

[Jennifer17]

I'm gonna go to sleep after this post, so feel free to comment. But a few questions that maybe y'all have seen addressed.

1) Does the doors act like hotel door and automatically locks behind you. I know it's a sure slam door but curious to know.

And how many floors does this place have and is ground level considered floor 1 or ground?


Can we verify when she actually got off from work and that it is true especially if we feel that Dallas PD is trying to save her and probably their t00 because she was in uniform. I just have this crazy feeling that she didn't just get off from work..

I don't think this theory is possible at all but someone mentioned that she was coming from a bar and was drunk which is the most ridiculous story because I doubt she's allowed to even be in a bar in uniform. So that's out but things do make you scratch your head.

Or theory that she got home for work and he was up playing music and it pissed her off and she went up stairs and got was banging so loud that the witness's may have heard that. I don't know if that's a possibility either neighbors would have heard music as well. But this makes no sense because why would you be that angry. Surely, you would not shoot someone over that but then again, with all the craziest things that have happened the last few years, it never surprises me.

I am not sure that she cared what she was allowed to do. She had a gun and a badge and felt that she could do whatever she damn well pleased. Her Pinterest account showed that very well.
Something like, 'you butt up against me and I can shoot you up' in gangsta talk which I don't do.

 

[VAgirlatheart]

I am sorry if my reply sounds anti American, (it is not, just a statement of fact) but that would never, ever happen in the part of the world that I live in. I mean that your mother may have been shot because she tried the key in the wrong door.

No offense taken. I think most of the Americans that actually get it, knows that our country has major flaws. Without stepping on anyone's toes here and without trying to be political. I'm not trying to start a debate. But I'd like to point out that I live in a country where we have mass shootings in schools with multiple children getting killed and the moment you try to voice your opinion, you get told that you are trying to take guns away which isn't the case. We just want to make it harder for those people that's a gun should never be in their hand in the first place. So no offense taken.

 

[VAgirlatheart]

Remember... that picture was taken after the search. Very plausible that he was laying on the sofa. That would also explain the bullet traveling from his chest into his abdomen.

Wait .. how do we know it went in chest to abdomen? Did I miss a report?

 

[Jennifer17]

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No offense taken. I think most of the Americans that actually get it, knows that our country has major flaws. Without stepping on anyone's toes here and without trying to be political. I'm not trying to start a debate. But I'd like to point out that I live in a country where we have mass shootings in schools with multiple children getting killed and the moment you try to voice your opinion, you get told that you are trying to take guns away which isn't the case. We just want to make it harder for those people that's a gun should never be in their hand in the first place. So no offense taken.

BBM which is incomprehensible to the rest of the world. And incidents like school or mass shootings have happened other places in the world, but solutions were quickly acted upon.

 

[Jax49]

Wait .. how do we know it went in chest to abdomen? Did I miss a report?

Dallas County DA promises to fully investigate off-duty cop who shot neighbor dead

The Dallas County Medical Examiner has officially ruled Jean's death a homicide. The ME said he died of a gunshot wound to the chest that went into his abdomen.

bbm

 

[AliceInPain]

I'm gonna go to sleep after this post, so feel free to comment. But a few questions that maybe y'all have seen addressed.

1) Does the doors act like hotel door and automatically locks behind you. I know it's a sure slam door but curious to know.

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According to video by a resident, they do NOT automatically lock.

eta: He showed it slamming shut and then he manually had to lock it. I wish a reporter could make it a mission to collect all these resident footage, there is so much!

 

[Jax49]

While it's unusual in the event of a non-fatal officer-involved shooting, Guyger's 2017 case was sent to a grand jury after an internal affairs investigation. She was no-billed, meaning she was cleared of any criminal charges in the case.

bbm

I missed this earlier. So, there were questions about her earlier shooting? At least enough to send to the grand jury.
Interesting.

moo

 

[SeekingJana]

I think the Texas Rangers have a lot of work still to do on this case. I believe in their integrity as a group of LE officers above the DPD level.

With that out of the way, I have a question about the search warrant issued and executed for Botham Jean's apartment ( NOT AG's apartment because if one has been issued and her apartment has been searched, we do not know the outcome at this time.).

Two of the items recovered from the victim's apartment are:
1) One ballistic grade vest ( a bulletproof vest) color black
2) One backpack containing police documents and supplies, also black in color.

I keep wondering: If she stood at the door, and yelled, tried to open the door with a key or keys, and shot him from the doorway somehow 12 feet away as has been said by various news outlets in N. Texas, then why were parts of her belongings found inside his apartment? ( excluding things we'd expect to find like spent shell casings although I don't know where they were found either- in the hall or in the apartment).

I can kind of understand the backpack if she had her cell phone in there and opened it up to call 911. But what about her bulletproof DPD issued vest? Where was she wearing it- on top of her uniform for 15 hours on her shift? Under her uniform shirt with a tee shirt underneath, as most non- SWAT team officers do?

We know she didn't do CPR. She's seen on video pacing, plus I'm certain a LEO can do CPR with a bulletproof vest on, anyway. I've seen them doing so in my career as a nurse.

So why was her expensive, fitted to her size, bulletproof vest IN HIS APARTMENT?

Help me here because out of everything which is NOT known yet as factual, this one thing is stated as factual in the search warrant list of items recovered ( not that the public has the full and list of what was recovered from his apartment and certainly not hers). There are indications that she was not searched for weapons or the like, so the vest would not have been removed for this reason. She was walking and talking on her cell phone when EMS began CPR and emergency transport to Baylor University Hospital. On her own and alone, from what I can see.

The evidence list of her bulletproof vest doesn't make sense to me. Why did she take the vest off in HIS apartment? Her apartment was one floor down, as she knew at some point while in or with access to the dying man's residence.

This is the only item of her uniform garments noted to be in his apartment, but the items recovered on the list may have some redacted items, IDK. I've never worked in LE, but have dated LE officers who wore their vests next to their tee shirts, not on top of their uniforms and treated them with great care for obvious reasons.
Therefore, this is strange to me but may not be to someone in LE or with more current knowledge of why she would have removed her vest at some point.

Thanks for reading.

 

[TinaG]

I think the Texas Rangers have a lot of work still to do on this case. I believe in their integrity as a group of LE officers above the DPD level.

With that out of the way, I have a question about the search warrant issued and executed for Botham Jean's apartment ( NOT AG's apartment because if one has been issued and her apartment has been searched, we do not know the outcome at this time.).

Two of the items recovered from the victim's apartment are:
1) One ballistic grade vest ( a bulletproof vest) color black
2) One backpack containing police documents and supplies, also black in color.

I keep wondering: If she stood at the door, and yelled, tried to open the door with a key or keys, and shot him from the doorway somehow 12 feet away as has been said by various news outlets in N. Texas, then why were parts of her belongings found inside his apartment? ( excluding things we'd expect to find like spent shell casings although I don't know where they were found either- in the hall or in the apartment).

I can kind of understand the backpack if she had her cell phone in there and opened it up to call 911. But what about her bulletproof DPD issued vest? Where was she wearing it- on top of her uniform for 15 hours on her shift? Under her uniform shirt with a tee shirt underneath, as most non- SWAT team officers do?

We know she didn't do CPR. She's seen on video pacing, plus I'm certain a LEO can do CPR with a bulletproof vest on, anyway. I've seen them doing so in my career as a nurse.

So why was her expensive, fitted to her size, bulletproof vest IN HIS APARTMENT?

Help me here because out of everything which is NOT known yet as factual, this one thing is stated as factual in the search warrant list of items recovered ( not that the public has the full and list of what was recovered from his apartment and certainly not hers). There are indications that she was not searched for weapons or the like, so the vest would not have been removed for this reason. She was walking and talking on her cell phone when EMS began CPR and emergency transport to Baylor University Hospital. On her own and alone, from what I can see.

The evidence list of her bulletproof vest doesn't make sense to me. Why did she take the vest off in HIS apartment? Her apartment was one floor down, as she knew at some point while in or with access to the dying man's residence.

This is the only item of her uniform garments noted to be in his apartment, but the items recovered on the list may have some redacted items, IDK. I've never worked in LE, but have dated LE officers who wore their vests next to their tee shirts, not on top of their uniforms and treated them with great care for obvious reasons.
Therefore, this is strange to me but may not be to someone in LE or with more current knowledge of why she would have removed her vest at some point.

Thanks for reading.

I have also been wondering why she was carrying her vest, did she take it off before she left the station? I get that is hot and heavy to wear, but that seems odd to me, to take the vest off but not the uniform and weapon. Male officers I've know dressed at the station and left that stuff in their lockers. When they finished their shift they were off duty and in street clothes, but I don't know if that's the norm.

 

[Thora_Jay]

I have also been wondering why she was carrying her vest, did she take it off before she left the station? I get that is hot and heavy to wear, but that seems odd to me, to take the vest off but not the uniform and weapon. Male officers I've know dressed at the station and left that stuff in their lockers. When they finished their shift they were off duty and in street clothes, but I don't know if that's the norm.

Hi TinaG,
It has been reported that she had her “heavy” vest in her hand and put it down at the door. If you search the second thread, it is there.

 

[AliceInPain]

Hi TinaG,
It has been reported that she had her “heavy” vest in her hand and put it down at the door. If you search the second thread, it is there.

Isn't that the same vest she's seen walking around in in the footage?

 

[TinaG]

Isn't that the same vest she's seen walking around in in the footage?

i can't see it that good but don't they usually wear the vest under the shirt? Maybe she had a extra one and was taking it home to wash the outer layer or something.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

The following letter was signed by a diverse group of Christian faith leaders in North Texas.

As leaders of Jesus' church, we are committed to speaking the truth in love, doing justice, loving kindness and walking humbly before our Lord. We speak as clergy of one blood, one faith, with one father seeking the welfare of our city as servants of Christ in the city of Dallas.

Whether one's skin is white, black or brown and whether the uniform is blue or that of a civilian, there should be no difference in treatment in a just society or in its courts of law. True justice is impartial to race, wealth, status or social position.

Dallas pastors call for justice for Botham Jean | Commentary | Dallas News

 

[Thora_Jay]

I have also been wondering why she was carrying her vest, did she take it off before she left the station? I get that is hot and heavy to wear, but that seems odd to me, to take the vest off but not the uniform and weapon. Male officers I've know dressed at the station and left that stuff in their lockers. When they finished their shift they were off duty and in street clothes, but I don't know if that's the norm.

Snip from link:
The law enforcement official said Guyger told police she had been carrying her heavy protective vest when she arrived at Jean’s apartment. It was in the apartment when first responders arrived.


Evidence released in Botham Jean slaying prompts allegations of 'smear campaign' | Crime | Dallas News