TX - Botham Shem Jean, 26, killed when police officer entered wrong apartment, Dallas, Sept 2018 #2

[Gigglingtoes]

There is only one logical reason she pulled the trigger: self-defense. At trial, we will find out if that reason was warranted. For any other motive to be imputed, she would have had to have known who she was shooting at. And even the Lawyer says they didn't know each other.

But she was shooting an un-armed person in THEIR home, in the dark...she has nothing to defend herself against.

 

[Gigglingtoes]

Good questions Tina. I like how you think. Here's how I see it. She was exhausted after her shift of serving warrants to keep our streets safe. She made the mistake of going to the wrong location (which most of us have done in our lifetimes multiple times, be it a wrong street, wrong classroom, wrong store, etc). The door APPEARED closed but in fact was not fully engaged to lock ("clicked" … this has happened to me countless times through sheer laziness on my part, and I've never smoked the Sweet Leaf). She inserts key to gain access to what she believes to be her apartment. The door pops open. Who knows? Maybe Amber actually did believe her key opened the door. Botham is startled, Amber is startled to see what she thinks is a burglar...and from there it gets murky. I'm still trying to figure out why Botham did not verbally engage the person he thought was the intruder...I'm not blaming him, I'm just trying to figure it out. Even if you are in your own home, if someone is pointing a gun at you and giving you commands (and you are unarmed), the natural inclination is to comply

How do you know she was “serving warrants” that day?

Why he didn’t verbally engage Amber G, well Mr G- Maybe he didn’t get a chance. Maybe he got shot before he had a chance to.

 

[mickey2942]

How do you know she was “serving warrants” that day?

Why he didn’t verbally engage Amber G, well Mr G- Maybe he didn’t get a chance. Maybe he got shot before he had a chance to.

We won't know, because only Killer will be able to tell her story.

Off topic: will SouthSide Flats, be able to rent out Mr. Jean's apartment? Would you want to live there?

 

[Jax49]

We won't know, because only Killer will be able to tell her story.

Off topic: will SouthSide Flats, be able to rent out Mr. Jean's apartment? Would you want to live there?

I couldn't live there.

 

[DisturbedConcerned]

The duty to know who/what you are shooting at is imposed on lowly citizens and an Elite officer such as herself is held to no lower standard but, a reasonable jury will hold her to a higher standard.

You might get a wee bit of sympathy if you're residing in a mental institution now with no hurry to check out.

She (you) didn't know she was murdering an innocent man in his own home because because because because because because blah blah blah and allegedly it was too dark to see him but not too dark for her to see he allegedly wasn't complaint with her (your) orders.

Just a back illuminated silhouette not complying.

Yeah yeah yeah right.

There is only one logical reason she pulled the trigger: self-defense. At trial, we will find out if that reason was warranted. For any other motive to be imputed, she would have had to have known who she was shooting at. And even the Lawyer says they didn't know each other.

 

[bluesneakers]

There is only one logical reason she pulled the trigger: self-defense. At trial, we will find out if that reason was warranted. For any other motive to be imputed, she would have had to have known who she was shooting at. And even the Lawyer says they didn't know each other.

I can think of many reasons she pulled the trigger, and self defense isn't one of them. This wasn't self defense. If I go bang on my neighbor's door, yell at him, and then shoot him is anyone going to buy it was self defense? Nope. Unarmed. In his own home. Kind of defies logic, though it's not shocking.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

How fascinating. Marijuana baggie/baggies, marijuana smell, but no marijuana joints, roaches, or rolling papers.

Hmm.

Or pipe. Or lighter. Or ashtray. Can/will they identify fingerprints on baggies and other collected evidence ? I’m still a bit confused about the damaged laptop issue.

 

[Jax49]

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[VAgirlatheart]

There is only one logical reason she pulled the trigger: self-defense. At trial, we will find out if that reason was warranted. For any other motive to be imputed, she would have had to have known who she was shooting at. And even the Lawyer says they didn't know each other.

At the end of the day this is what we know.. she atleast at the very least she committed manslaughter. You can not get away with walking in to someone's house and shoot them. You just can't.It's an unfortunate situation if that truly is the case for both sides more so the victims. Definition of manslaughter is an unintentional killing that results from recklessness or criminal negligence. She was reckless in this case regardless .. there are multiple signs that she failed to see for whatever reason. The parking garage, the lighted number, the red door mat.. there is no excuses. Saying you were tired and didn't see those signs doesn't make it justifiable. I had a friend in high school who wrecked and our other friend died as a result. He was charged with manslaughter and he was only 16 at the time. unfortunately,it hurt his chances getting into certain schools and he had to pull 4 months. Everyone knew he didn't intentionally kill him but because he failed to reconize the stop sign due. He got manslaughter. He missed one sign that cost the other guy his life. That also was an unfortunate event but he had to do the time. She is no different. She has to get charged. Hopefully there won't be a next time but I bet she thinks next time to pay attention to things tired or not.


As of right now, it would be stupid to think that she deserves the murder charge without any evidence. But if we find out that she is lying and went up to knock on his door to confront him which I don't think happened but we see. She'll have to be charged with murder one because she intended to confront him and take her weapon with her. The only reason why I believe this any at all, is simply the contradicting stories dug her more into a hole. So curious to hear the 911 tapes, see the surveillance of what time she pulled in and how long before her pulling in, does the first 911 call comes out. That's going to be key. Curious to know if any other 911 calls came in

 

[DisturbedConcerned]

I don't believe there has been any official statement about the damaged laptop or if any data has been recovered from it. I doubt anything will be released about it although I'm hopeful the grand jury will indict on at least M-2 and maybe we'll learn she intentionally damaged it for some reason seated in motive.

Or pipe. Or lighter. Or ashtray. Can/will they identify fingerprints on baggies and other collected evidence ? I’m still a bit confused about the damaged laptop issue.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

We won't know, because only Killer will be able to tell her story.

Off topic: will SouthSide Flats, be able to rent out Mr. Jean's apartment? Would you want to live there?

Or Killer’s once she is evicted for non payment. She better buy herself a piggy bank to save all her $ she’s being paid while sitting at home on her butt. She’s gonna need it. #getalawyer

 

[VAgirlatheart]

At the end of the day this is what we know.. she atleast at the very least she committed manslaughter. You can not get away with walking in to someone's house and shoot them. You just can't.It's an unfortunate situation if that truly is the case for both sides more so the victims. Definition of manslaughter is an unintentional killing that results from recklessness or criminal negligence. She was reckless in this case regardless .. there are multiple signs that she failed to see for whatever reason. The parking garage, the lighted number, the red door mat.. there is no excuses. Saying you were tired and didn't see those signs doesn't make it justifiable. I had a friend in high school who wrecked and our other friend died as a result. He was charged with manslaughter and he was only 16 at the time. unfortunately,it hurt his chances getting into certain schools and he had to pull 4 months. Everyone knew he didn't intentionally kill him but because he failed to reconize the stop sign due. He got manslaughter. He missed one sign that cost the other guy his life. That also was an unfortunate event but he had to do the time. She is no different. She has to get charged. Hopefully there won't be a next time but I bet she thinks next time to pay attention to things tired or not.


As of right now, it would be stupid to think that she deserves the murder charge without any evidence. But if we find out that she is lying and went up to knock on his door to confront him which I don't think happened but we see. She'll have to be charged with murder one because she intended to confront him and take her weapon with her. The only reason why I believe this any at all, is simply the contradicting stories dug her more into a hole. So curious to hear the 911 tapes, see the surveillance of what time she pulled in and how long before her pulling in, does the first 911 call comes out. That's going to be key. Curious to know if any other 911 calls came in

Actually I think my friend was 17 at the time because he was going to be considered under an adult because of him being so close to his 18th birthday

 

[Jax49]

Yes on the most recent search warrants and I don't recall which specific video systems were named, pretty sure I read that on one of those 4 issued at the same day/time.

Anyone here right now. Can you please upload some photos from a link for me please? I cannot do it from my phone for some reason.
Respectfully,
Thora Jay

Bumping. @DisturbedConcerned

 

[VAgirlatheart]

I looked at distance it’s close

I don’t remember seeing her say she drove but you are probably right

Sorry if someone has mentioned this already but I thought I heard her beat was southeastern division. I can't recall the link where I found it but I did look up the officer involved shooting report and her name was stated on there as being in the southeastern division which I believe the headquarters would be off of Jim Miller Road. However, even if that was the case, I'm sure it wouldn't have took her no time to get home maybe 15 minutes at most.

 

[Jax49]

Sorry if someone has mentioned this already but I thought I heard her beat was southeastern division. I can't recall the link where I found it but I did look up the officer involved shooting report and her name was stated on there as being in the southeastern division which I believe the headquarters would be off of Jim Miller Road. However, even if that was the case, I'm sure it wouldn't have took her no time to get home maybe 15 minutes at most.

Agree. Google maps shows 11 - 17 minutes (via different routes).

Google Maps

 

[kaen]

I agree 100% with what you wrote. However, I do feel though that with every profession there are always a few that you scratch your head about. The question is, could AG be one of these cops you scratch your head about? Many would say yes it's obvious bc of the recent incident, but prior to this would it have been so obvious? Most likely not. How about the nurse who accidentally kills someone by making a med error. Would the nurse honestly throw away her whole nursing career with making this mistake on purpose? I automatically want to think it's a done deal the nurse's life should be ruined forever. I'm being too critical/jugemental by jumping to conclusions bc I have certain expectations as a nurse myself. I cannot think like this bc for me, it would cause distrust in my whole nursing profession. I must stick by my peer until it's fully investigated & go from there. Unfortunately, these incidents do happen & it is always in situations like these that it's just too late.

I hear your perspective and have this thought. We are not talking about a mistake in the field where she made an error in judgment. This person made many errors in judgment outside of her professional life. She works in a department that encourages officers to change before they leave work. She didn't. She was so tired that she did not park on her level of the garage. Rather than recognizing her exhaustion she continued on. When she got to the door and found it ajar (according to her account) she should have recognized that she was altered (that is what high pressure jobs train us to do) and stepped away from the door and called for back up. Instead, she barreled through in a way that was fatal. Her judgment was altered by entering the apartment alone she could have been a victim herself if a robbery was in process.

I see this whole mess as preventable. I see her actions as reckless. It is not about a mistake that may have cost a life so much as it is hubris about her own level of preparedness and a series of faulty judgments. And, now, rather than taking responsibility for her mistake she is blaming a man who was in his home, getting ready for bed, and never had a chance because of her behavior.

 

[Jim G]

I would ask posters to refrain from calling Amber "the killer." She is only charged with manslaughter. It is as offensive as if I were to call Botham "the doper." (Which I would never do)

 

[Jax49]

Definition of killer
- one that kills

AG may not be a murderer but she is a killer.

moo

 

[Jim G]

How do we know he was getting ready for bed? How do we know there were no ashtrays? Many here are inventing their own "facts" and that has been one reason why there is no clearness to this situation and so much misinformation.

 

[kaen]

How fascinating. Marijuana baggie/baggies, marijuana smell, but no marijuana joints, roaches, or rolling papers.

Hmm.

He may have been smoking with neighbors earlier. It would be interesting to note if there is the smell of marijuana in his clothing or furniture.