TX - Botham Shem Jean, 26, killed when police officer entered wrong apartment, Dallas, Sept 2018

[cybervampira]

I don‘t buy it. Dallas. A multi-story apartment building. An accountant in his underwear, getting ready to sleep, lights turned off. He leaves his door ajar?!

Give me a break!

 

[wary]

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Okay--things I noticed on first reading.

1: if all she saw is a silhouette, is it possible that she didn't even realize that he was black? It doesn't change his tragedy, of course. But if the room was that dark--how on earth was he even supposed to 'show his hands'? Assuming that that was the command she gave. And what sort of insanity was it to fire at an unseen target.

2: Did even she say she was a police officer?

3: Okay, I've felt very forgiving of the idea that she might have tried to get into the wrong apartment. But--she's lived there for a month, and has to go back to the front door to know what her apartment number was? I guess that's possible, if everything else is.

 

[blue22]

You must have missed when the PO Mohamed Noor shot Justine Damond.

July 15, 2017
Between 11:40:15 p.m. and 11:40:29 p.m. A shot is fired. Harrity sees Noor with his right arm extended toward him. Harrity looks out his window and sees Damond. She has one hand near her abdomen and says, "I'm dying" or "I'm dead."

March 20, 2018
Noor is charged with third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter in Damond's death; he is no longer with the police department.paul walsh

Justine Damond: A timeline

Yes, I'm following that one quite closely. I didn't say a black cop, I said a black man. And anyway, it took like 9 months for him to be arrested...so......

 

[Jennifer17]

I rather think that the first story we read was true. That she was trying to get the door open with a key that did not fit and he opened the door and she shot him. I don't believe the door was open at all.

 

[MsFacetious]

I can also see why neither apartment would be particularly distinctive. A single man in one and a single woman recently moved into another. It's likely that neither one was highly decorated. I can actually see how she could think it was her apartment.

It's the rug, apartment number and shooting in the dark that I can't grasp...

 

[RickshawFan]

Assuming that's accurate eyewitness testimony (and it might not be), if she went up to what he believed to be her apartment, and realized there was somebody there, she would have thought that person broke in. So screaming "open up" in that situation would make sense.

Ummmm... if you think someone's broken into your apartment and you're not in the apartment, you maybe go outside and call 911?
Makes no sense that she got this mixed up with her own apartment.

 

[wary]

I rather think that the first story we read was true. That she was trying to get the door open with a key that did not fit and he opened the door and she shot him. I don't believe the door was open at all.

If the first story is true, he died at his front door. Blood will tell the story.

 

[RickshawFan]

I rather think that the first story we read was true. That she was trying to get the door open with a key that did not fit and he opened the door and she shot him. I don't believe the door was open at all.

He prolly saw a police officer through his peephole, and being a law-abiding citizen he opened the door on command.

 

[cybervampira]

If the first story is true, he died at his front door. Blood will tell the story.

Her story would conveniently fit if she testifies that he approached her and didn‘t follow her commands.

 

[Thora_Jay]

Authorities say a Dallas police officer said she shot a neighbor whose home she mistakenly entered last week after he ignored her “verbal commands.”


David Armstrong of the Texas Rangers wrote in an arrest affidavit released Monday that Officer Amber Guyger said she didn’t realize she was in the wrong apartment until after she shot 26-year-old Botham Jean and went into the hallway to check the address.

Guyger was booked Sunday on a manslaughter charge in Thursday night’s killing of Jean and was released on bond.
The Latest: Mayor says Dallas cop parked on wrong floor | WTOP

Really she had to step outside the apartment into the hallway after the shooting to check the address! She could not turn on the damn light in the apartment? She should have turned the light on when she entered the place!
Also, why did neighbors state that they heard the words “open up open up”?
Why was the blood trail outside the door into the hallway and a people hade to be escort and told to steer clear of the blood trail.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

“in said county”

 

[Thora_Jay]

3:50 p.m.
An investigator says a Dallas police officer who shot and killed her neighbor after mistaking his apartment for her own said that when she inserted her key in his door, it opened because it had been slightly ajar.

David Armstrong of the Texas Rangers wrote in an arrest affidavit released Monday that Officer Amber Guyger said it was nearly completely dark inside the apartment when she entered it Thursday night and she thought she was encountering a burglar in her home.

He says Guyger said the person ignored her verbal commands and she fired twice. One struck Jean in the chest and he later died.

The affidavit says Guyger was on the phone with 911 reporting the shooting when she turned on the apartment lights and discovered she was in the wrong apartment. It says Jean's apartment was the one right above Guyger's and the apartment layouts and exterior hallways were nearly identical.
The Latest: Affidavit: Cop said neighbor ignored commands | Atlanta: News, Weather and Traffic

Ok so which is it? Did she go in the hallway to check the address to see where she was or did she turn the light on and see the wrong apartment? So many contradictions in this entire murder.

 

[blue22]

So...she never rendered help to him? He just laid there 4 minutes before paramedics arrived? (I hope I'm remembering correctly that is was 4 minutes.) He "ignored" her commands? If she tries to put the victim on trial, I think (and hope) it spectacularly backfires on her.

 

[Jennifer17]

If the first story is true, he died at his front door. Blood will tell the story.

At this stage I do not trust them to tell the truth.

 

[cybervampira]

I rather think that the first story we read was true. That she was trying to get the door open with a key that did not fit and he opened the door and she shot him. I don't believe the door was open at all.

Agree. The story, given by the Dallas PD officer, makes way more sense. Why would he remember these details if she hadn‘t talked about it before? BBM

She then went to what she thought was her door, put the key in and struggled with the lock. Guyger then put down several things she was holding and continued to fight with the key when the resident swung open the door and startled her.

 

[RickshawFan]

from Heavy.com - Botham Jean’s front door

Was the door handle to the officer's own front door on the same side?

 

[Blunomore]

Really she had to step outside the apartment into the hallway after the shooting to check the address! She could not turn on the damn light in the apartment? She should have turned the light on when she entered the place!
Also, why did neighbors state that they heard the words “open up open up”?
Why was the blood trail outside the door into the hallway and a people hade to be escort and told to steer clear of the blood trail.

Do you have a link for an article stating this, please?

 

[flourish]

The apartment numbers are LIT UP next to the door! This is some bull.

 

[Thora_Jay]

It's worth posting twice! Thank you!

Okay--things I noticed on first reading.

1: if all she saw is a silhouette, is it possible that she didn't even realize that he was black? It doesn't change his tragedy, of course. But if the room was that dark--how on earth was he even supposed to 'show his hands'? Assuming that that was the command she gave. And what sort of insanity was it to fire at an unseen target.

2: Did even she say she was a police officer?

3: Okay, I've felt very forgiving of the idea that she might have tried to get into the wrong apartment. But--she's lived there for a month, and has to go back to the front door to know what her apartment number was? I guess that's possible, if everything else is.

She did not wonder why there was a bright red rug in front of the door? What does she say about that? She thought it was a surprise housewarming gift from a friend ( do we have a rolling eyes icon?)

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Agree. The story, given by the Dallas PD officer, makes way more sense. Why would he remember these details if she hadn‘t talked about it before? BBM

Thanks for the earlier links. I tend to think the some of the earlier reports are more credible. They are often open statements before politics get involved.