TX - Botham Shem Jean, 26, killed when police officer entered wrong apartment, Dallas, Sept 2018

[jjenny]

Just because you personally haven't done it, doesn't mean nobody else couldn't have done it.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

I hope this is a MSM. if not, pls mods pls delete.
Social Media Says It Has Identified The Dallas Cop Who Shot And Killed A Black Man In His Own Home

 

[Eclipse]

I think what bothers me so much about what happened here is that it could have been any one of us. Unless there is information we are not privy to at the moment (if they knew one another, etc...), imagine being in your home and you hear the sounds of someone messing with the lock/door, etc...

It's not here, but I've seen a lot of people on social media asking why the victim opened his door wearing only his underwear as if he was wrong? He was at HOME! He was more than likely settled down for the night and could have even been asleep when she began trying to use her key to get into his home.

I'm still so confused at how she wasn't able to comprehend that she was at the wrong apartment after attempting to use her key to enter his home after multiple attempts?

I still really hope that there is some type of security cameras for the hallways because I would like to know how long she was trying to enter his home.

Because the victim cannot speak for himself, I'd also like to have a firm timeline from the time she clocked out and when she arrived home.

There are probably hundreds of thousands of people who work 14-hour-shifts (myself included) so exhaustion doesn't fly with me.

The fact that she was not immediately brought in for an interview and immediately made to submit to a drug/alcohol screening makes the Investigators seem extremely inept but possibly even trying to cover up for one of their own.

I am a woman, so whenever any stranger knocks on my door- even in the day, I don't answer- even for another woman. Too paranoid. If they were messing with my doorknob I would feel really freaked out- but I live in a house.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Previous incident on file.
Officer Involved Shooting: 8300 Reva St.

 

[mickey2942]

Interesting that many articles are posting that there was some sort of relationship.

Not in MSM yet...but that would be an interesting twist.

 

[jjenny]

If you link isn't showing, I believe it's not msm and not allowed here.

 

[kaen]

If this officer was not interviewed and tested for substances immediately, we can assume one of two things:

1. the department is inept and this area is the perfect place to be a criminal because you won't be properly interviewed.

2. the officer was given preferential treatment by her fellow department members by virtue of the fact that she was on the job.

From an NPR story: "Police are not following their ordinary protocol for officer-involved shootings, (Police Chief) Hall said, describing this killing as "very unique situation." A blood sample was drawn to test the officer for drugs and alcohol." Dallas Police Officer Kills Man In His Apartment, Says She Thought It Was Her Home

Unfortunately, her victim was treated as a criminal when the police arrived on scene because it took her a long time to realize that this was not her apartment. Her peers went with her word rather than looking around his home and identifying whether or not she lived there.

Should she be protected by her job? Should she have access to a delegate? Shouldn't they know where she is?

As soon as they realized it was not her apartment, she should not have been seen as an officer but as a citizen who shot and killed someone.

 

[jjenny]

In Justine Damond shooting, took them many months to even charge him. Here they are already talking about manslaughter charges. And in some cases where relative kills another relative due to thinking a stranger broke in, there are no charges at all. By the way they can't interview her unless she agrees to the interview, just as regular citizen.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Were drug tests done? IMO, this sounds like the action of someone whose mind is unclear due to substance use.

If she were off duty, this is a civilian murdering another civilian. The jury will decide if it was intentional or not.

She took the life of a beloved and accomplished member of the community. She must pay her debt to his family, and society.

Why do I think there is much more to this story?

Opinion and speculation only.

 

[jiminy]

I am a woman, so whenever any stranger knocks on my door- even in the day, I don't answer- even for another woman. Too paranoid. If they were messing with my doorknob I would feel really freaked out- but I live in a house.

As well as having done it myself, my door is tried at least once a year. Some will be genuine mistakes, others will be housebreakers trying their luck. I yell like a feral thing. Threats, the lot. Twice I've called police.

I would open my door if someone identified themselves as police and ordered me to open the door though. Or would have til now!

Perhaps something like that happened here. Equally, I'm a wee woman and Botham looks like a big guy, perhaps it would take a lot more to make him feel worried - particularly if his building is significantly safer than mine.

 

[kaen]

In Justine Damond shooting, took them many months to even charge him. Here they are already talking about manslaughter charges. And in some cases where relative kills another relative due to thinking a stranger broke in, there are no charges at all. By the way they can't interview her unless she agrees to the interview, just as regular citizen.

If they treated this as an officer involved shooting, there are department protocols that are followed. Usually departments use the International Association of Chiefs of Police (IACP) as a template. Bear in mind that the officer involved in a shooting should be relieved from any role at the shooting site as soon as other officers arrive. Here is what the the IACP and DOJ put out on officer involved shootings after supervisors and peers arrive:

"Even if the involved officer does not have obvious injuries, it is good practice to transport any involved officer to an emergency medical facility. Medical personnel can then evaluate and monitor the offi- cer(s) for delayed physical or emotional reactions that may require medical attention. At the same time, investigators should ensure that testing is performed to document whether alcohol or drugs are in
the officer’s system, if such testing is not prohibited by law or union contract. Some agencies do not require testing for drugs or alcohol without reasonable suspicion; some contend this is an overt or subjectively accusatory action, which conveys the agency’s lack of trust in in the officer or suspicion of wrongdoing. These are legitimate concerns. However, medical personnel can perform tests for alcohol and drugs easily, and these tests are a part of any thorough investigation of an officer-involved shoot- ing. Additionally, the results can serve to counter any contention that such substances impaired the officer’s judgment. "
http://www.theiacp.org/portals/0/documents/pdfs/e051602754_Officer_Involved_v8.pdf

If not treated as an officer involved shooting, most people who shot someone are taken to the station and then can determine that they will not speak to the police or ask for a lawyer. If a person who shoots someone is suspected of being altered, the police usually move to immediately get a warrant for testing for substances.

Either way, it seems that this officer was indeed treated outside of usual protocol. The question remains why.

I am glad that the Texas Rangers are in charge of this investigation because the department has already made some large mistakes here in investigating their own.

 

[blue22]

"Dallas police said Friday they are seeking a warrant for manslaughter against one of their own after an off-duty officer entered the wrong apartment in her building and killed a man who was inside.

Police Chief Reneé Hall said a blood sample was drawn at her request to test the officer's drug and alcohol levels and "we are in the process of obtaining a warrant based on the circumstances."

Dallas police seek manslaughter warrant against officer who killed neighbor

 

[TallCaliGirl]

I would really like to know how long between the end of her shift and her arriving at the apartment building. I wonder if we will get any kind of timeline. Also, was her blood drawn immediately after or not? And why isn't she still in custody?

 

[kaen]

"Dallas police said Friday they are seeking a warrant for manslaughter against one of their own after an off-duty officer entered the wrong apartment in her building and killed a man who was inside.

Police Chief Reneé Hall said a blood sample was drawn at her request to test the officer's drug and alcohol levels and "we are in the process of obtaining a warrant based on the circumstances."

Dallas police seek manslaughter warrant against officer who killed neighbor

Thank you for this link. It confirms the good practice that I had copied above.

It is interesting that they are not commenting on the officer's timeline between the job and arriving at his door. Hopefully we will find out more when the charges are filed.

 

[mickey2942]

Why would a burglar open a door?
Why shoot a man, twice, point blank, if you were trying to open a door, and someone opened it?
Why would a man open a door in underwear, unless he knew who it was? Most men would at least slip on jeans.

More questions than answers.

Since she was not working, I don't see the Police union getting involved.

Why should she have leave with pay? For how long?

 

[fraudqueen]

Surely there must be a lot more to this story, I hope we find out more details soon.

 

[kaen]

Why would a man open a door in underwear, unless he knew who it was? Most men would at least slip on jeans.

RSBM
It seems that there are some who are reporting that she was yelling for him to "Open up." If that is the case, he might not have stopped to put on pants. One of the things that we have continually heard as to why people are shot is that they did not follow orders immediately and succinctly. In this day and age, if I heard yelling at my door that sounded like a police officer, I would also not put on clothes but go immediately for fear of them breaking in the door and killing me. There have been enough serving warrants at the wrong address and injuries/death with police departments saying that they served the wrong address but the people didn't comply.

 

[kaen]

Since she was not working, I don't see the Police union getting involved.

Why should she have leave with pay? For how long?

RSBM
It appears that the union is involved and she is following their lead. She is unavailable and at an undisclosed location. The union may take itself out of this. Police unions often get involved in things like DV charges and other issues that involve officers as part of their protection of them.

She used her service weapon as far as I can tell. This could be seen as related to the job.

 

[rosesfromangels]

RSBM
It seems that there are some who are reporting that she was yelling for him to "Open up." If that is the case, he might not have stopped to put on pants. One of the things that we have continually heard as to why people are shot is that they did not follow orders immediately and succinctly. In this day and age, if I heard yelling at my door that sounded like a police officer, I would also not put on clothes but go immediately for fear of them breaking in the door and killing me.

Open up? Did she live alone?

 

[rosesfromangels]

Frankly, at first blush, if the "open up" shouting is true, it sounds like a jealous and irate girlfriend.