TX TX - Cameron Co/Mexico, WhtMale 20-29, UP4044, Wedding Ring "DIN-MONA 021189", Mar'89

[LucyOso]

It's a little odd to me that they left the ring. They stripped him down to his underwear. The ring would have been worth good money in Mexico. Maybe the ring was dropped by one of the killers? The date could be in the format of November 2nd, 1989.

I have thought about 11/2/1989 as well. Perhaps it was an engagement band and this person was to be married. Or vows renewed. Or a "mail order" bride scenario where he ended up getting hustled and killed. Wearing just underwear could suggest he was caught very unaware with a partner. There are lots of confidence and romance scams going back centuries. Ransom isn't always an option. Is there is another victim we aren't aware of? Was this the honeymoon?

That is strange. And why was it off his finger?

Mark Kilroy was a victim during this time of a cult killing. I dont know much about ritualistic killing, but could the ring have been left as an "offering" for some "outcome"? Love magic? Taking clothing but leaving a ring seems odd. There's money in a ring.

I wish we had pictures of the ring and victim, or even the brand of underwear, it would be so helpful.

 

[gitana1]

Because the ring (the symbol of the unity of marriage) was given to him by Mona. The idea is that he doesn't buy the ring for himself; Mona gives it (and herself) to him when they marry. She will have the same ring, only with his name in it (like "Din Nils", "Din Lars", "Din Tore", etc) as a vow that he is equally hers.

That makes sense.

 

[gitana1]

This guy fits hair color, age, went missing from CA in March of 1988, from San Francisco, middle name Dino.

He could’ve been abducted and dumped with a ring that’s not his. To throw anyone who finds him, off the track.

 

[devertere]

re: Cult killings... the more I read about the Matamoros cult victims, the less I think this guy was one of them. Pretty much all of them were buried, while it sounds like he was found above ground. (my interpretation). so far, i also could not find any news article mentioning the UID in relation to the cult. as a matter of fact, i can't find any documentation on the case except the namus entry.

re: Names... the danish/swedish etc theory is a bit too out there for me. I think it is more likely that if is the letters of their names, or that DIN is a mistaken Dan, Don, Dio or Dom.

re: Kidnapping... I don't feel like the ring is planted evidence. It would be more of a risk to plant something potentially recognizable as a ring. I'm entertaining three theories at the moment: a. it was his, b. murderer lost it, c. it is completely unrelated to the case...

I really hope, LE will share some additional info.

 

[winniebago]

http://www.hiddenancestors.com/Texas/marriage/Marriage_1989.txt

I'm not sure if anyone else looked into this marriage link, but I did ever so briefly. There are literally thousands of people on this list so it's tough to sort through. Aside from Ramona and Simona, Mona could be short for Carmona.

It is possible they got the ethnicity wrong based on he was white passing or mixed. And about the names being possible nicknames, my grandma's name is Gloria but she hated the name and changed it 3 or 4 times before landing on Loren, kind of the same, a little bit different. People choose what they want to be called and these initials or nicknames might not even be close to what their legal name is.

But then again, its very possible that he could have been a citizen of Mexico and it would be even harder to find out who he was.

EDIT: I used peoples names who were not missing, I apologize. I tried to fix it, if this post need to be removed no problem.

 

[UnlicensedPI]

I'm not sure if anyone else looked into this marriage link, but I did ever so briefly. There are literally thousands of people on this list so to sum up two couples stuck out to me just a bit. Aside from Ramona and Simona, Mona could be short for Carmona.

Enrique Flores Jr. married Diana Carmona on 2/2/89 in Zapata county. Zapata county is about 3 hours from Cameron County and the border. Maybe DIN MONA is a nickname or (totally random letters from) for Diana Carmona. If there was a photo of the ring, it would show us if the date of 2/11 was super clear or a little iffy.

Luis C. Trevino married Paula Carmona on 2/24/89 in Hidalgo County which is about 1 hour away. Again, if there was a picture of the ring, it would show us it is either clearly a DIN or if it could possibly be another letter like V for VIN.
I'm not sure, anything is totally possible. I'm new to this so I'm not sure what to do after this but if anyone wants to follow up on any of that, be my guest!
Now before anyone says that these are Hispanic sounding names, it is possible they got the ethnicity wrong based on he was white passing or mixed. And about the names being possible nicknames, my grandma's name is Gloria but she hated the name and changed it 3 or 4 times before landing on Loren, kind of the same, a little bit different. People choose what they want to be called and these initials or nicknames might not even be close to what their legal name is.

But then again, its very possible that he could have been a citizen of Mexico and it would be even harder to find out who he was.

I was able to find both couples. I see you're pretty new to WS, you should know there's a sitewide rule about posting names of people who aren't listed missing. Initials are okay, but full names might get you in trouble with the mods.

 

[winniebago]

I was able to find both couples. I see you're pretty new to WS, you should know there's a sitewide rule about posting names of people who aren't listed missing. Initials are okay, but full names might get you in trouble with the mods.

Gotcha thank you so much!

 

[LucyOso]

I wish we could see the ring. I wonder if through wear and tear what looks like MONA is actually MCNA. McNA....

 

[devertere]

I'm not sure if anyone else looked into this marriage link, but I did ever so briefly. There are literally thousands of people on this list so it's tough to sort through. Aside from Ramona and Simona, Mona could be short for Carmona.

It is possible they got the ethnicity wrong based on he was white passing or mixed. And about the names being possible nicknames, my grandma's name is Gloria but she hated the name and changed it 3 or 4 times before landing on Loren, kind of the same, a little bit different. People choose what they want to be called and these initials or nicknames might not even be close to what their legal name is.

But then again, its very possible that he could have been a citizen of Mexico and it would be even harder to find out who he was.

EDIT: I used peoples names who were not missing, I apologize. I tried to fix it, if this post need to be removed no problem.

I went through thousands of names. No logical matches at the moment.

 

[UnlicensedPI]

I wish we could see the ring. I wonder if through wear and tear what looks like MONA is actually MCNA. McNA....

If the date on the ring really is 021189, it would have been brand new with little wear and tear. But I also wish we could see pictures of both the ring and the Doe.

 

[LucyOso]

If the date on the ring really is 021189, it would have been brand new with little wear and tear. But I also wish we could see pictures of both the ring and the Doe.

This is very true. What if it was an heirloom. 02/11/1889? Sentimental value. Or even a random ring.

 

[gitana1]

I'm not sure if anyone else looked into this marriage link, but I did ever so briefly. There are literally thousands of people on this list so it's tough to sort through. Aside from Ramona and Simona, Mona could be short for Carmona.

It is possible they got the ethnicity wrong based on he was white passing or mixed. And about the names being possible nicknames, my grandma's name is Gloria but she hated the name and changed it 3 or 4 times before landing on Loren, kind of the same, a little bit different. People choose what they want to be called and these initials or nicknames might not even be close to what their legal name is.

But then again, its very possible that he could have been a citizen of Mexico and it would be even harder to find out who he was.

EDIT: I used peoples names who were not missing, I apologize. I tried to fix it, if this post need to be removed no problem.

Do they have his DNA?

 

[gitana1]

I wish we could see the ring. I wonder if through wear and tear what looks like MONA is actually MCNA. McNA....

Wouldn’t they say so if the ring could be interpreted differently? Like “Ring inscribed. Possibly “MONA”.

 

[gitana1]

This is very true. What if it was an heirloom. 02/11/1889? Sentimental value. Or even a random ring.

And what if it was stolen and doesn’t belong to the person found?

 

[gitana1]

Cameron County is a collection of towns containing Brownsville, Harlingen, San Benito and several other small ones. The guy was most definitely found across the border in Matamoros. It's a large city in the Mexican state of Tamaulipas. I'm pretty sure this is a victim of the cult that was present in Matamoros in the late 1980's. The cultists were preying on drunk spring breakers and taking them back to their compound on the outskirts of Matamoros. This is where several bodies were found, they practiced Santeria and were sacrificing all these people so they could have good fortune with their drug trafficking.

I think you’re right. They grabbed Americans like Kilroy. This is the same area. Same time almost exactly. So possibly we are looking for missing spring breakers.

However all the bodies they found connected to the cult were dismembered. Was this one?

ETA:

“On March 27, two people from Arizona and three from the Mexican state of Sonora were found bound and stabbed in a shed in Tucson. Those deaths were also called drug-related.

On March 29, Mexican authorities found the bodies of three women and six men on an abandoned ranch near Agua Prieta, Mexico, just across the border from Douglas, Ariz.

On April 1, the bodies of three more men killed in similar fashion were fished from the well. All were believed to be Mexican nationals.

Twelve mutilated bodies, including that of a Texas college student who disappeared over spring break, were unearthed just outside the neighboring Mexican border city of Matamoros Tuesday [4-11-89], victims of a satanic cult of drug smugglers, officials said.”

12 Bodies Found Near Border Called Drug Cult Victims

 

[UnlicensedPI]

Still looking. I wonder if his first name was something like FERDINAND or his last name was something like MONDIN or LANDIN. They're names I've come across but nothing matches yet.