GUILTY TX - Christina Morris, 23, Plano, 30 August 2014 - #31 *Arrest*

[MIKAYOYO]

I'm not sure I understand your thinking.

While it's apparently known that SN offered to drive her, she said no. His reasons for asking, and hers for declining, would seem fairly transparent and incredibly common at the end of a night of intoxicating substances. (He thinks she's possibly too tired or messed up to drive, she thinks she's fine and wants to get home WITH her car.) Any adult who has ever been in a bar with friends at closing time, has at some time been on one end or the other of that conversation, I bet.

Since SN accepted her choice without ado, by implication he accepted that she had the ability to walk to her car as well, prior to a drive. Perhaps he even figured the open air and exercise would do her good and increase her ability to be alert as she drove.

I don't see anything in that common scenario that would raise alarms somehow (for being out of the norm, that is).

Can't speak for Cookie, but when I responded to this same quote of EA being her ONLY choice, I was pointing out that NO, he wasn't her ONLY choice. MOO

 

[MIKAYOYO]

I just thought of something when I read your comment here....

How do we know trained dogs haven't picked up decomp from his car?
I say that because LE never mentions anything about it (but why would they) yet they searched his car 9/3, 9/4, 9/8 and then seized it 9/26 for 11 days for an extensive forensic search (per warrant-in search of bodily fluids and trace evidence).

IMO they were looking for something in that car and......they found it!!

Perhaps they did smell it themselves (they are trained EA isn't) and they brought in dogs to confirm &/or dogs picked up a sent independently which prompted more thorough searches. The warrant does say, despite extensive amounts of cleaning & washing DNA can remain on items for extended periods of time.

One more point to this, when they say they believe CM was in his trunk when he left SOL the second time and returned home "with CM in his trunk".....WHY would they say that unless they have some proof. Decomp, DNA, pings, etc.

We don't know. That's why we keep going round and round. I'd like to think if tthey did detect decomp in his trunk and along with her DNA, EA would be facing a murder charge, not just AK. MOO

 

[CookieM]

Cool. But I don't think we have any evidence pointing to the involvement of anyone other than EA. Nor has EA suggested any such scenario, so it's probably a dead end going in that direction. LE and a trial will have to follow the evidence, and it pretty much all points to EA as the culprit.

I haven't sat in on any of his interviews with LE so I really don't know what he has suggested. We also don't know about all evidence that has been uncovered. And come to think if it, we don't know about the evidence that has NOT been uncovered. I'll be interested to hear more. Maybe more info will come out at the hearing this week. I hope so.

 

[CookieM]

I'm not sure I understand your thinking.

While it's apparently known that SN offered to drive her, she said no. His reasons for asking, and hers for declining, would seem fairly transparent and incredibly common at the end of a night of intoxicating substances. (He thinks she's possibly too tired or messed up to drive, she thinks she's fine and wants to get home WITH her car.) Any adult who has ever been in a bar with friends at closing time, has at some time been on one end or the other of that conversation, I bet.

Since SN accepted her choice without ado, by implication he accepted that she had the ability to walk to her car as well, prior to a drive. Perhaps he even figured the open air and exercise would do her good and increase her ability to be alert as she drove.

I don't see anything in that common scenario that would raise alarms somehow (for being out of the norm, that is).

Perhaps you didn't see that I was responding to a post stating that EA was her only option for an escort to her car... Or maybe I did not include that quoted post in mine. I was stating that EA would not have been her ONLY option since SN had also offered to drive her all the way home AND was awake at the time since they spoke on the phone.

 

[BaeMomma]

I may be wrong, but, imessages do not show up as texts.

so all the items listed on her bill are actual calls & vm in 1min increments to all those various ppl?

Hmmm, ok. I just assumed that bc she is a 24yr old, they usually text/iMessage more often than actual talk on the phone. But I assume if she was upset she wanted to talk.

 

[CookieM]

Can't speak for Cookie, but when I responded to this same quote of EA being her ONLY choice, I was pointing out that NO, he wasn't her ONLY choice. MOO

Feel free to speak for me, because that was my point as well. I thought I quoted you but maybe I didn't.

 

[volcarm]

Good point. However, is it something EA did on a regular basis to this extent? If his DNA/prints are on those cleaning supplies instead of say his mom (or if there was a maid perhaps her DNA/prints)...he has to explain away his sudden urge to deep clean.

It is quite possible tearing the car apart to look for additional DNA from Christina could show more and find hidden DNA which would be impossible to clean. It could also prove the surface cleaning was most likely done to evade arrest and scrutiny in her disappearance.

Wouldn't her DNA be on the rags?

 

[CookieM]

so all the items listed on her bill are actual calls & vm in 1min increments to all those various ppl?

Hmmm, ok. I just assumed that bc she is a 24yr old, they usually text/iMessage more often than actual talk on the phone. But I assume if she was upset she wanted to talk.

Texts are listed in a separate list. Those were incoming/outgoing calls. Who KNOWS how many texts were sent back and forth!! Wowzers!!

 

[BaeMomma]

Man, so when we squeeze the text times in with the call times, the phone use is nearly constant.
Call at 2:30, text at 2:34, call at 2:42 a.m. - considering we may not know about all the text messages.

LOL, my thoughts exactly. I'm thinking there could be a TON we don't even know about bc most 20 something's primarily text.

 

[BaeMomma]

We don't know. That's why we keep going round and round. I'd like to think if tthey did detect decomp in his trunk and along with her DNA, EA would be facing a murder charge, not just AK. MOO

Hmmm. I'm wondering if they're afraid that murder charge won't stick if the only decomp "proof" they have is that a dog detected it. When they swabbed for DNA they discovered blood or saliva so that's where AK comes in.

You're right, no one knows and so were looking to each other for answers or theories that work with our own beliefs. It's madeneing.

 

[SteveS]

Interesting when you see all the reports filed during that time period.
Missing person reports at 5700 Legacy on Sept 1 @ 11:56pm
and another missing person at 5700 Scruggs on Sept 2 @ 11:17pm ...... both are for CM?
and simple assault at 5700 Scruggs August 31@ 2:32am
then the found property on Sept 5th @ 12:00pm
....I'm puzzled
https://www.crimereports.com/

There are 2 probably-related incidents at 2:32 am on early Sun 8/31, which would have been 24 hours after all the stuff at PP's place. Perhaps in the same apt complex as PP. After-hours stuff, people returning from a night out? (Bars close at 2.) One is criminal mischief, the other simple assault. She broke/destroyed my ____ and he pushed me?

The 2 missing persons reports are oddly similar.
1 at 11:56pm on Sep 1 (Legacy, the garage)
2 at 11:17pm on Sep 2 (Scruggs Way, the apt)

The affidavit time and date says Sep 2 at 11:17pm. I think those 2 listed are simply a duplicate listing of the CM report, with typos in exact date/time on the 1st. LE would know.

 

[MIKAYOYO]

Feel free to speak for me, because that was my point as well. I thought I quoted you but maybe I didn't.

haha, you don't want me to speak for you, I'm all over the place! Sometimes I tthink I just like to argue.

 

[MIKAYOYO]

There are 2 probably-related incidents at 2:32 am on early Sun 8/31, which would have been 24 hours after all the stuff at PP's place. Perhaps in the same apt complex as PP. After-hours stuff, people returning from a night out? (Bars close at 2.) One is criminal mischief, the other simple assault. She broke/destroyed my ____ and he pushed me?

The 2 missing persons reports are oddly similar.
1 at 11:56pm on Sep 1 (Legacy, the garage)
2 at 11:17pm on Sep 2 (Scruggs Way, the apt)

The affidavit time and date says Sep 2 at 11:17pm. I think those 2 listed are simply a duplicate listing of the CM report, with typos in exact date/time on the 1st. LE would know.

BBM, they're a day apart, not the same time, and from two different places. Not the same at all. JMO

 

[SteveS]

Perhaps you didn't see that I was responding to a post stating that EA was her only option for an escort to her car... Or maybe I did not include that quoted post in mine. I was stating that EA would not have been her ONLY option since SN had also offered to drive her all the way home AND was awake at the time since they spoke on the phone.

Ah, gotcha.

Do we have anything saying SN offered to drive her to her car? Not saying he did or didn't offer, but
1 not sure we can assume that the offer to keep her from driving to FW guarantees an offer to keep her from walking a few blocks
2 not sure we can assume his car was near the apt (which it would have needed to be, for the offer of a ride from the apt to the garage to be meaningful)
3 if EA was already headed to the garage, then it might have been seen as needless by SN (or by CM herself) for SN to offer to walk/drive CM there

Also, I don't think that the fact that EA was creeping on SB would have necessarily made them cautious about him walking with CM. I don't think people look at someone who has been turned down and instantly assume, "Now he's probably looking for someone (any female) to SA/rape."

 

[MIKAYOYO]

Ah, gotcha.

Do we have anything saying SN offered to drive her to her car? Not saying he did or didn't offer, but
1 not sure we can assume that the offer to keep her from driving to FW guarantees an offer to keep her from walking a few blocks
2 not sure we can assume his car was near the apt (which it would have needed to be, for the offer of a ride from the apt to the garage to be meaningful)
3 if EA was already headed to the garage, then it might have been seen as needless by SN (or by CM herself) for SN to offer to walk/drive CM there

Also, I don't think that the fact that EA was creeping on SB would have necessarily made them cautious about him walking with CM. I don't think people look at someone who has been turned down and instantly assume, "Now he's probably looking for someone (any female) to SA/rape."

BBM, yet we jump to that conclusion automatically.

 

[SteveS]

.... or when the cameras are rolling...

Yep, some people can't convincingly "cry for the camera" 30 days later when the emotion of the moment has passed. His effort sure made awful footage, didn't it?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

BBM, yet we jump to that conclusion automatically.

No. LE did.

 

[MIKAYOYO]

Going to bed. It seems my arguing of the failed Dez Bryant call has bled over into here. Good nigh. Peace be wih you all.

 

[SteveS]

BBM, they're a day apart, not the same time, and from two different places. Not the same at all. JMO

Yes, I am aware of what is listed on that website. Nevertheless, I am guessing that they are simply a duplicate of the same incident report, and they both get logged by IT who doesn't recognize them as the same case. You can focus on the differences, while I see the parallels.

1 at 11:56pm on Sep 1 (Legacy, the garage)
2 at 11:17pm on Sep 2 (Scruggs Way, the apt)

In any event, as I noted earlier, LE would know - so what's (perhaps) mystery to us, is really not mysterious at all.

 

[SteveS]

Wouldn't her DNA be on the rags?

Hopefully.