GUILTY TX - Christina Morris, 23, Plano, 30 August 2014 - #36 *Arrest*

[MIKAYOYO]

While I still think it is weird not to have reported her missing sooner...she is/was 23, a full-fledged adult, not a child or even a vulnerable teen. If her mother(s) did not find it that unusual for her to be out of touch for 3-4 days, why should anyone else? And HF may have his own reasons (arguments, etc.) for assuming she just took off for a few days.

My sisters and I have an agreement that if they can't make contact with me over a 24-hour period, they will call my apartment manager and then two close friends whose numbers I have given them. But that is because I am in a city with no relatives, live alone, and have a very orderly routine life.

When twenty-somethings can't be reached, and no one panics, I have to assume it is not that unusual. Jmo

I agree it's not that odd when a young adult is out of touch for several days; however, if I was trying to reach someone and it was obvious their phone was dead or turned off (went straight to voicemail) for several days in a row, I would most likely be concerned enough to start checking with the person she lived with just to make sure all was well. If her phone was ringing and going to voicemail, I probably wouldn't be all that worried. JMO

 

[cluciano63]

I agree it's not that odd when a young adult is out of touch for several days; however, if I was trying to reach someone and it was obvious their phone was dead or turned off (went straight to voicemail) for several days in a row, I would most likely be concerned enough to start checking with the person she lived with just to make sure all was well. If her phone was ringing and going to voicemail, I probably wouldn't be all that worried. JMO

Personally, I would have followed up the second day, at least by checking with her friends, boss, etc. if I was a mom. Or if I was a best friend. I would not expect Christina to ignore me for days, or even a day, the way things are now. Jmo

 

[frisson]

I think it's interesting to read your opposing views and analysis or critiques of the way the case is being handled. Could you share your thoughts on who you think took Christina that goes along with the evidence that is available to the public.
Id be very open to your thoughts.

Respectfully what are you asking me? EA is the topic here per even the most recent mod notes; So that leaves talk of others' involvement against TOS, as I understand it. Thanks for asking though.

Regretfully, I brought up the soda can and the home search and was trying to participate. I'll go back to lurking.

 

[b.humble]

http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/stor...-kidnapping-suspect-hoping-to-get-out-of-jail

During the hearing, a Plano Police Department detective testified that Morris' DNA was found on the trunk mat in Arochi's car.
There was also a significant amount of DNA evidence on the trunk's interior rubber seal.


http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Ne...Christina-Morris-Disappearance-288713941.html
Police revealed that Morris' DNA was found on Arochi's trunk mat in his car, not just around the trunk.
They also revealed that there was more than just trace amounts of DNA in the vehicle.

A Plano police DNA expert also testified it’s possible that DNA came from blood.

The Significant Amount....is on the rubber seal per testimony.

it does not state the significant amount being quantity or quality.

FWIW.. Significant is found in WBC not RBC since RBC does not have a nuclei.

--The tone of my question is in the spirit of needing clarity, not challenging:
I'm not inherently understanding what you are trying to communicate, can you help me? Are you saying you believe the DNA was not blood? If so, what is your take on the BlueStar test administered in the trunk compartment?

--When citing "the significant amount....is on the rubber seal per testimony.", are you saying detectives denied the presence of a significant amount of DNA within the trunk compartment, or are you saying that in addition to the DNA found on the trunk mat there was a significant amount of DNA present on the rubber seal? I do not recall testimony that indicated the denial of the DNA being significant in one area of the trunk VS other parts of the trunk (i.e.: mat)

--You are correct, significant is not mutually exclusive to quantity. Significance is also used to denote importance. Could "significant", in this instance, be used to indicate importance? Possibly; it most certainly seems as though the DNA is of central significance. I did, however, find another quote from Dr. Rick Staub that indicated quantity is of relevance as well:
Dr Rick Staub: It certainly would be consistent with a bodily injury due to the large quantity of her DNA
http://starlocalmedia.com/allenamer...cle_1793280c-9d2f-11e4-94a7-ff06623ae6a4.html

--You state "Significant is found in WBC not RBC since RBC does not have a nuclei"; To ensure I am understanding you, you are observing a scientific truth; white blood cells VS red blood cells in the matter of DNA relevance, correct? If yes, you are 100% correct, only white blood cells are capable of carrying DNA information. This is an interesting, educational fact and observation, but what do you believe this indicates about the nature of DNA tested? Do you believe it came from another source, such as saliva? CM's saliva was verified as having been found in the trunk compartment (correct me if I'm wrong, but it was found in the closure/seal of the interior of the trunk) according to testimony at the bond reduction hearing. Saliva is an excellent source of DNA, as it is comprised with 74% white blood cells whereas blood, which is still the most scientifically respected specimen for DNA testing, is only 1% white blood cells. My point in saying that, is there would have to be a lot more blood present than saliva in order to produce a statistically significant (there's that word again lol) sample size from it. IMO, this seems to strengthen the argument against EA. Is that your intent?

 

[Helen_Ready]

Respectfully what are you asking me? EA is the topic here per even the most recent mod notes; So that leaves talk of others' involvement against TOS, as I understand it. Thanks for asking though.

Regretfully, I brought up the soda can and the home search and was trying to participate. I'll go back to lurking.

I was open to hearing your thoughts on what happened to Christina as you stay within TOS. The topic is Christina..

 

[frisson]

I was open to hearing your thoughts on what happened to Christina as you stay within TOS. The topic is Christina..

The topic is what happened to Christina, where is Christina, and who is responsible/involved...AFAIK.

I don't see how to discuss the case regarding anyone else other than EA while staying within TOS.

 

[suzyjackson]

The topic is what happened to Christina, where is Christina, and who is responsible/involved...AFAIK.

I don't see how to discuss the case regarding anyone else other than EA while staying within TOS.

I don't profess to be an expert on the rules but I thought it was OK to discuss other possible things that could have happened as long as we don't sleuth anyone, blame the family etc. I'm sure a mod will correct me if I'm wrong but there are lots of posts detailing alternative scenarios,

 

[SteveS]

Totally agree. IMO the fact that she was out of touch with friends for four days doesn't raise a red flag for me. HF not being concerned isn't as easily understood. But, I'm not sure what would be expected from a drug dealing and using boyfriend who is in a fight with his girlfriend. What is meant by 'expected' is purely THAT. He's not Ward Cleaver.

Personally, I would have followed up the second day, at least by checking with her friends, boss, etc. if I was a mom. Or if I was a best friend. I would not expect Christina to ignore me for days, or even a day, the way things are now. Jmo

I understand and appreciate the thinking in both of these, but tend to agree with DOJ here.

IMO it's easy to assume what others "should have" done, now that we have the benefit of hindsight and without thinking as to whether it's really how we live out own lives.

For example, other than who lives under the same roof, there is no one in the world I talk with every day or two without fail. So when we assume those around CM should have raised the alarm sooner, imo that's not real life. In some ways, because she wasn't living alone, and they weren't in her daily life, I expect almost every one of them mentally deferred to the judgment and feedback of those who were.

In fact, we see that it played out just like that. Her mom talked to her every day or two, and did start getting worried and asking questions (on Monday?). And her boss, the second work day she was absent without a call (Tuesday), began to make calls.

The obvious exception is of course HF, because he was living under the same roof. Being in the same house, he's the only one imo whose (non-)actions offer an automatic cause for concern to the point of needing an explanation. The fact that they had a spat where he was ignoring her can't be overlooked.

Unlike some, I assume that (without letting it be known) LE crawled up HFs rear with a microscope to check out his actions at the time and see if his explanation was "normal" for how they lived their lives. We see after the fact that LE was incredibly thorough in looking at EA, and we didn't hear about 99% of what they did there until they told us some of it in affidavits and hearing. I suspect they were just as thorough with HF, but simply didn't tell us or him about any of it to keep from alerting anyone as they look. They're not stupid.

 

[frisson]

Originally Posted by frisson

The topic is what happened to Christina, where is Christina, and who is responsible/involved...AFAIK.

I don't see how to discuss the case regarding anyone else other than EA while staying within TOS.

Not to be rude, but you've said this repeatedly. It's pretty clear, to me at least, that you think others were involved. I guess we will hear your theory when/if we can discuss other people.

I was asked repeatedly by name and embedded quote, so I responded.

I'm fairly sure I'm not the first person to say the same thing more than once.... or twenty times.

 

[b.humble]

The topic is what happened to Christina, where is Christina, and who is responsible/involved...AFAIK.

I don't see how to discuss the case regarding anyone else other than EA while staying within TOS.

And guess what....none of us are going to be able to answer that question with any certainty; all we can do is speculate. To speculate based on facts so far provided is the closest we're going to get. Do I believe EA is guilty, yes. Absolutely. As a citizen of Collin county, the evidence thus far presented against him leads me to concur that LE has appropriately focused their efforts on the correct individual. With that being said, I'm not so committed to that belief that I will reject future evidence because it doesn't line up with my opinion. The reason why is because this just isn't about me, nor is it about you, or anyone else on this forum. It's about a girl who disappeared almost six months ago, it's about a family who has endured a pain so great that each day probably feels unsurvivable, it is about a perpetrator who caused, what can only be assumed as the discontinuation of life for another human being, and the pain and anguish he dumped onto his family. At this point, do I think EA acted alone, yes and until contradictory or supporting evidence comes absolving him of this charge or supporting additional perpetrators, I will remain confident in LE's efforts, thus far. Theories about her boyfriend having to be involved because he slings dope and sells "nada, not prada" are not theories I subscribe to, but should evidence be produced that actively ties him to her disappearance BARD, I'll file it under "facts of the case" and move on in discussions without hesitation.

 

[CookieM]

I was asked repeatedly by name and embedded quote, so I responded.

I'm fairly sure I'm not the first person to say the same thing more than once.... or twenty times.

I agree and that's what I meant!! If only you weren't asked twenty times... Lol

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Well, they are still looking for my ex. I told them he went for a pack of smokes and never came back. Good thing they never dug under the swimming pool. Yay for pool chemicals and Lyme.

This reminds me of the woman who buried the husband under a newly poured garage floor.
Unfortunately, he was too heavy so she used her teenage son so help her transfer his body.
The son eventually told LE the truth many years later. Poor kid imo.

o/t ~ It still bothers me to no end that LE didn't make a big deal about George Anthony using lyme all over his lawn during the time when Caylee was missing.

The fact LE found excessive empty bottles of cleaning supplies in the Arochi's trash, is reason for further investigation imo.
But, because he didn't live alone, LE must make sure they uncover the reason the empty containers were there.
Is the mom a housekeeper for instance?
Does a family member clean real estate properties?
Does the family own dogs? (never read if they do or don't).

We know tests are being done to determine what cleaning product was used on the mat.
If LE finds more than one product was used, they'll emphasize the finding during the trial.
Still, we need to know if the parents had legit reasons for using and emptying what is thought to be excessive supplies.
Or, do they go through them like that every or every other month?
Until we hear the whole story, we can't know for sure.
Sure, it looks suspicious but it's not been explored/proven yet.

LE didn't test the garbage cans though - at least not prior to mid December.
If the mat was so spoiled, why didn't EA just get rid of it?
Everyone doesn't have a mat in their trunk.
He could have dumped the mat in a commercial dumpster on Saturday.
Odds are it never would have been found (especially since CM hasn't been found yet).

The circumstantial evidence has to be substantiated but people are posting as if it already is a proven fact all supplies were purchased and used by EA.
What if, for some reason, the dad often buys lots of cleaning supplies and can prove it by showing LE credit card history?
I'm just saying it is possible there is another explanation since EA lived with other people.

 

[Helen_Ready]

And guess what....none of us are going to be able to answer that question with any certainty; all we can do is speculate. To speculate based on facts so far provided is the closest we're going to get. Do I believe EA is guilty, yes. Absolutely. As a citizen of Collin county, the evidence thus far presented against him leads me to concur that LE has appropriately focused their efforts on the correct individual. With that being said, I'm not so committed to that belief that I will reject future evidence because it doesn't line up with my opinion. The reason why is because this just isn't about me, nor is it about you, or anyone else on this forum. It's about a girl who disappeared almost six months ago, it's about a family who has endured a pain so great that each day probably feels unsurvivable, it is about a perpetrator who caused, what can only be assumed as the discontinuation of life for another human being, and the pain and anguish he dumped onto his family. At this point, do I think EA acted alone, yes and until contradictory or supporting evidence comes absolving him of this charge or supporting additional perpetrators, I will remain confident in LE's efforts, thus far. Theories about her boyfriend having to be involved because he slings dope and sells "nada, not prada" are not theories I subscribe to, but should evidence be produced that actively ties him to her disappearance BARD, I'll file it under "facts of the case" and move on in discussions without hesitation.

Your words illustrate the path I was on with the questions I asked. Trying to be open enough because I have no reason not to. A women is missing and if someone has opposing views I'd like to hear them if it means we get one step closer to finding Christina. Value...I see value in hearing critiques of the PPD if it makes sense and lines up with facts we have to date. If PPD had a poor reputation, I'd even be more open. Growing up in Plano, I've seen the PPD bring down some serious illegal operations. I've grown to respect them. When someone is critical of their efforts, it's only natural as to why. So I want to be open. I ask for facts to validate and I get something else that leads nowhere. I was hoping to get info. to forward discussions leading back to where Christina is located.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I try to keep up with 36 threads here, (and a couple other cases that I read) but I miss some posts or pages. When was EA indicted for AK?

TIA.

Next Monday or sometime before July - don't know yet!

 

[Balor51]

This reminds me of the woman who buried the husband under a newly poured garage floor.
Unfortunately, he was too heavy so she used her teenage son so help her transfer his body.
The son eventually told LE the truth many years later. Poor kid imo.

o/t ~ It still bothers me to no end that LE didn't make a big deal about George Anthony using lyme all over his lawn during the time when Caylee was missing.

The fact LE found excessive empty bottles of cleaning supplies in the Arochi's trash, is reason for further investigation imo.
But, because he didn't live alone, LE must make sure they uncover the reason the empty containers were there.
Is the mom a housekeeper for instance?
Does a family member clean real estate properties?
Does the family own dogs? (never read if they do or don't).

We know tests are being done to determine what cleaning product was used on the mat.
If LE finds more than one product was used, they'll emphasize the finding during the trial.
Still, we need to know if the parents had legit reasons for using and emptying what is thought to be excessive supplies.
Or, do they go through them like that every or every other month?
Until we hear the whole story, we can't know for sure.
Sure, it looks suspicious but it's not been explored/proven yet.

LE didn't test the garbage cans though - at least not prior to mid December.
If the mat was so spoiled, why didn't EA just get rid of it?
Everyone doesn't have a mat in their trunk.
He could have dumped the mat in a commercial dumpster on Saturday.
Odds are it never would have been found (especially since CM hasn't been found yet).

The circumstantial evidence has to be substantiated but people are posting as if it already is a proven fact all supplies were purchased and used by EA.
What if, for some reason, the dad often buys lots of cleaning supplies and can prove it by showing LE credit card history?
I'm just saying it is possible there is another explanation since EA lived with other people.

Woe, I am so glad your on WS. You are definitely one of my very favorite people here. Your logic, and how you always think outside the box is always extraordinary.

Thank you, I for one always look forward to your posts.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

What did LE find when they searched CM's home? I've only followed a few missing persons cases, but it seems it is customary to search the missing person's home to rule things out, find evidence - maybe.... and what not. TIA>

How did the camera end up back at her house?
Did she leave it there before going out (without the camera case)?
Did Jonni find it and take it with her?
I swear I read LE has the camera but never heard LE searched Christina and HF's place.
The camera was listed as one of the items to be on the lookout for in the very beginning.
No one ever explained why it was listed (except there was an empty camera case in her car). Did one of her friends recall she had her camera with her in Plano?

This, to me, is important to clarify.
Someone might throw out a backpack but I doubt they'd throw out a DSLR camera.

 

[cluciano63]

How did the camera end up back at her house?
Did she leave it there before going out (without the camera case)?
Did Jonni find it and take it with her?
I swear I read LE has the camera but never heard LE searched Christina and HF's place.
The camera was listed as one of the items to be on the lookout for in the very beginning.
No one ever explained why it was listed (except there was an empty camera case in her car). Did one of her friends recall she had her camera with her in Plano?

This, to me, is important to clarify.
Someone might throw out a backpack but I doubt they'd throw out a DSLR camera.

I don't think it was ever confirmed she had it with her, rather it was assumed, since the case was found in car. I don't believe she had it. I don't think the camera being at home means anything. Jmo

In MP cases, often initial descriptions of clothing, etc. are later found to incorrect or require modification. Things are done in rather a hurry initially. If the camera was never taken off of the list of items missing, Imo, just an oversight. Jmo

 

[Woe.be.gone]

EA hasn't been indicted yet. Only accused & in jail on a $1000,000 dollar bond, that a judge refused to reduce, after hearing a minimal amount of evidence.

Guilty or innocent, the judge believes him to be a flight risk imo.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I don't think it was ever confirmed she had it with her, rather it was assumed, since the case was found in car. I don't believe she had it. I don't think the camera being at home means anything. Jmo

In MP cases, often initial descriptions of clothing, etc. are later found to incorrect or require modification. Things are done in rather a hurry initially. If the camera was never taken off of the list of items missing, Imo, just an oversight. Jmo

I haven't heard confirmation either way.
Maybe if seeing the camera case in CM's car is the only reason the camera was listed, then maybe she didn't have it with her up in the apartment.
But if she actually took pictures that night (not with her phone) and her friends remember and told LE that she did, that's another story.
Until we know what prompted the listing, I don't know what to believe.
The subject just remains an unanswered question I'm curious about.

 

[cluciano63]

I haven't heard confirmation either way.
Maybe if seeing the camera case in CM's car is the only reason the camera was listed, then maybe she didn't have it with her up in the apartment.
But if she actually took pictures that night (not with her phone) and her friends remember and told LE that she did, that's another story.
Until we know what prompted the listing, I don't know what to believe.
The subject just remains an unanswered question I'm curious about.

Well, no link handy, but I know her mom said her camera was found at the duplex, and she did not seem concerned about it in any way, as far as thinking Christina had taken it out that night and then it ended up back in her house. And we have no reason to believe that HF was anywhere near Christina that night, and surely EA did not have access to her house. I am going with, she never had it with her that night. As far as we know, no one (LE or family) seems to think the camera has any significance. Jmo