GUILTY TX - Christina Morris, 23, Plano, 30 August 2014 - #38 *Arrest*

[daisytrail]

A bit more on a more personal note: I quit using Adderall mainly because I have a history of certain drugs raisin my blood pressure. Adderall did this as did the antidepressant, Wellbutrin. My daughter took Adderall for ADD (probably more than I would have liked, especially since I don't think her only focus-related problem is due to ADD) but she had a boyfriend who was legally prescribed: 100mg! I said: That is waaay toooooo much! But she disagreed. It is easy to find a doctor who will prescribe a large dose of Adderall. It is also now uncommon to hear of people who have had very bad experiences with Adderall. I have two FB friends who feel that it almost drove them crazy. Sometimes, when people think a legal prescription is unsatisfactory in some way, they will try to achieve the desired effect with illegal drugs. The is truly self-medicating. They think there is something wrong with themselves that they need to fix and they end up with bad results.

 

[daisytrail]

So, they had crack at the party? I missed that. So why would anyone feel the need to text for some good rock? I don't know. This is a very strange and bizarre case.

Snipped and BBM

I don't think there has been a mention of crack at the party that they had just come from.

 

[Bootsctr]

A bit more on a more personal note: I quit using Adderall mainly because I have a history of certain drugs raisin my blood pressure. Adderall did this as did the antidepressant, Wellbutrin. My daughter took Adderall for ADD (probably more than I would have liked, especially since I don't think her only focus-related problem is due to ADD) but she had a boyfriend who was legally prescribed: 100mg! I said: That is waaay toooooo much! But she disagreed. It is easy to find a doctor who will prescribe a large dose of Adderall. It is also now uncommon to hear of people who have had very bad experiences with Adderall. I have two FB friends who feel that it almost drove them crazy. Sometimes, when people think a legal prescription is unsatisfactory in some way, they will try to achieve the desired effect with illegal drugs. The is truly self-medicating. They think there is something wrong with themselves that they need to fix and they end up with bad results.

That is very sad. It is important to get an accurate diagnosis and a lot of times it is hard to find a good doctor who will search for the correct diagnosis. Side effects of prescribed meds can make a person not want to take the medication. Often alcohol and pot can make a person feel more normal, but can lead to use of stronger and more dangerous drugs and mixing them to get the right combination which can be lethal.

 

[daisytrail]

Rolling: http://goaskalice.columbia.edu/what-are-rolls

Heroin is not an inherent ingredient in ecstasy tablets, but pills sold on the black market can have many different drugs or other substances added to them. Sometimes things sold as a fashionable drug even turn out to have none of that drug in them at all. It's of concern that you have been taking these pills for quite a long time now without knowing what they are. Unfortunately, though, one of the most complicated risks of using ecstasy and other recreational drugs is the fact that it's virtually impossible to know what exactly you're putting in your body, and this can cause unplanned, and even unexpectedly dangerous, effects.

Molly can have a meth-like effect and some special formulations actually have heroin.

The term rock n roll is actually. I am reading a novel set in the 20s called The Dain Curse. It actually mentions rock as a drug.

 

[daisytrail]

That is very sad. It is important to get an accurate diagnosis and a lot of times it is hard to find a good doctor who will search for the correct diagnosis. Side effects of prescribed meds can make a person not want to take the medication. Often alcohol and pot can make a person feel more normal, but can lead to use of stronger and more dangerous drugs and mixing them to get the right combination which can be lethal.

Right. In fact, I read some recent stuff on studies out of Japan that said that both meth and pot can make people with a genetic propensity manifest symptoms of schizophrenia. The thing is that Winston Churchill said, "If you restrict a free market you create a black market." (paraphrasing) It was be interesting to see how Colorado's legalization of pot will go. The trickiest thing will be to keep it out of the hands of minors, but I don't think even that means everything will be all roses. We are never going to conquer people's nature and people have been experimenting with drugs since before they crawled out of caves.

 

[Steleheart]

To be clear, there are MULTIPLE sexual assault related items regarding EA. One is an indictment for that crime against a 16-year-old girl, not against CM, and is for multiple counts.

But there is also, in the kidnapping charge indictment handed down by the grand jury, a sexual assault component mentioned in relation to that crime.

According to the grand jury, in the kidnapping indictment itself, Arochi "intentionally or knowingly abducted Christina Morris by restricting the movements of said Christina Morris without her consent so as to interfere substantially with her liberty, by moving her from one place to another or confining her, with the intent to prevent her liberation, by secreting or holding her in a place where she was not likely to be found" and that in so doing, he acted "with the intent to violate or abuse sexually Christina Morris," and "terrorize Christina Morris."

Exactly, yes. The intent is crucial in the Aggravated Kidnapping charge but Sexual Assault is not a separate charge regarding the Christina Morris kidnapping. I do believe we are clear on that.

:cow:

 

[I'm Lahoma]

I have no idea if he killed her "over anything". I think something happened that was not meant to happen and he freaked out about it. That is the main reason I think a relative is involved. Especially if they are close. I actually have 5 children that are mostly grown, but I have two under 18. They are teenagers. 4 girls, 1 boy. I know that they cover for each other on occasion. My son was doing some things and the girls knew and never told me. Some things that would carry jail time. Surprised the hell out of me they knew and kept it hidden. Just my own opinions, of course .

 

[iluvmua]

Sadly, this jerk will probably never tell what he did and where he put Christina.

 

[zippixx]

Sadly, this jerk will probably never tell what he did and where he put Christina.

The only way he might give up CM's location, is if it benefits himself in some way. And even then, we'll probably never know the whole true story.

 

[daisytrail]

The only way he might give up CM's location, is if it benefits himself in some way. And even then, we'll probably never know the whole true story.

I am sure the prosecution and police are intent upon winning their case against EA. Since EA has an attorney, they have absolutely nothing to gain by approaching the defense in any way at this point. The first person to begin negotiations is perceived as weak, I am sure.

 

[SeeAlice]

Adderall isn't meth. It is legal for the treatment of ADHD. There are similar side effects, but if Adderall was as addictive as meth, there would be more warnings. This is not to say that they don't share some of the same side effects or that there are not doctors who prescribe dosages that are way too high. Almost any drug can be abused. I took Adderall for ADD for over a year. However, although 20mg of AdderallXR made it harder to sleep, it was hardly going to keep me up for three days.

ETA: It is commonly abused as a study drug and does not come cheap. Student with prescriptions for Adderall have been known to make a bit of money selling individual Adderall. Also, Adderall is not cheap. More on Adderall and in addition, Ritalin. http://goaskalice.columbia.edu/snorting-adderall-and-ritalin

I don't know the chemical or physiological differences between methamphetamine and amphetamine but Adderall is simply amphetamine salts. Adderall XR has some of the amphetamine granules covered in coatings that dissolve at different rates of time to even out the amount in your bloodstream at one time.

JMO

 

[daisytrail]

I don't know the chemical or physiological differences between methamphetamine and amphetamine but Adderall is simply amphetamine salts. Adderall XR has some of the amphetamine granules covered in coatings that dissolve at different rates of time to even out the amount in your bloodstream at one time.

JMO

http://www.differencebetween.net/science/difference-between-adderall-and-methamphetamine/

 

[SteveS]

I am sure the prosecution and police are intent upon winning their case against EA. Since EA has an attorney, they have absolutely nothing to gain by approaching the defense in any way at this point. The first person to begin negotiations is perceived as weak, I am sure.

I agree that nothing happens at this point, ie on Mar 22 or thereabouts.

Part of that is because, in the next month, there should be multiple decisions made that change the view for both sides. We're somewhat in a brief transition period. There are two cases pending, the formal arraignment with a reading of the indictment and a plea has not occurred, and the defense still awaits a look at the evidence stacked against them.

But the process will start moving soon. I think how the SA case is handled will have some (and maybe a rather large) impact on the how each side views the AK case. And until we get past these transitional hurdles, I don't think either side is likely to chase a deal.

Ultimately I think the SA case will end up negotiated.

I'm still at about 50-50 on the AK. I think both sides have something to gain, with the right deal, but I think that time is of the essence for EA, because if CM is found before a deal gets made, that window will close for EA and (if she's dead) he'll end up fighting to avoid death row. JMO

 

[Lolly85x]

I agree that nothing happens at this point, ie on Mar 22 or thereabouts.

Part of that is because, in the next month, there should be multiple decisions made that change the view for both sides. We're somewhat in a brief transition period. There are two cases pending, the formal arraignment with a reading of the indictment and a plea has not occurred, and the defense still awaits a look at the evidence stacked against them.

But the process will start moving soon. I think how the SA case is handled will have some (and maybe a rather large) impact on the how each side views the AK case. And until we get past these transitional hurdles, I don't think either side is likely to chase a deal.

Ultimately I think the SA case will end up negotiated.

I'm still at about 50-50 on the AK. I think both sides have something to gain, with the right deal, but I think that time is of the essence for EA, because if CM is found before a deal gets made, that window will close for EA and (if she's dead) he'll end up fighting to avoid death row. JMO

Good post Steve! It has always stuck in my mind what you say about EA relying on the fact that they have no body, or all his options are taken away from him. And it annoys me so much. Because how can he be so sure that they won't. That is if he is ofcourse. He could be a wreck in the jail.

 

[b.humble]

I keep hitting on and then dismissing a very valid point that someone mentioned upthread. Arochi is not going to tell where Christina is unless and until he is charged with capital murder. To do so would be admitting to a crime he is not charged with as yet, and even a crappy defense Atty. would not allow him to do that.
In the Holly Bobo case the accused are facing murder and kidnapping charges from BEFORE her remains were actually found, but it appears that those charges may have been based on here say and not on any physical evidence. IMO

I believe I had been dismissing the fact because I wanted him to tell. It's just not going to happen, IMO

:cow:

I've thought about the whole "plea deal" matter quite a bit too, trying to mull over what deal could possibly be made and what effect it would have on possible further or advanced charges. Not being an attorney, I have a very limited scope for speculation in that I use Google, watch TV, and read WS so forgive me if anything of the following is not an accurate representation of how things work
For all the experts out there, hook a sister up and fill in my gaps, please:

Sentencing (from what I understand):
a) Worst case: LE does not find CM, her remains, or other compelling evidence to assume and declare death. They wait 7 years from the date she went missing (or maybe when reported missing?) before declaring her deceased and pursuing murder charges. This takes us out to 8/30/2021 or 9/2/2021 (Death in absentia link)

b) EA is facing 4 counts of SA of child (2-20 yr sentence/charge) + AK (5-99 yrs/charge)= facing 13-179 years in prison. At minimum, he’s facing a 13 year sentence (4375 days) let’s stick with that # in this diatribe.


c) If convicted of either, it does not appear as though he will be eligible for parole and will therefore not be eligible for early release due to “good behavior” (TX 498.003, 508.145, and 508.147).

d) For giggles, assume I misinterpreted his parole and good behavior eligibility and he is awarded 30 days per 30 days served (1:1) only serving 7 of the 13 year sentence (4375 days) minus the # of months already served (CM case: Dec 2014 and SA of child: Jan 2015). For illustration purposes, let’s assume today’s date as “start of sentence”; the earliest he would be released 9/2021.
e) In considering the dates in points a and d, EA is likely to face murder charges as determined and pursued by the DA before being released.

IMO, the light of freedom at the end of his tunnel is so dimly lit it’s not even visible; it’s anyone’s guess on if it ever will be.

References:
Good behavior info (pay special attention to 498.003 and follow the links to 508.145 and 508.147):
http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/GV/htm/GV.498.htm

Death in absentia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declared_death_in_absentia#United_States

TX Penal code on Criminal Homicide grades/charges:
http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/PE/htm/PE.19.htm

Legal Advice page:
http://criminal-law.freeadvice.com/criminal-law/violent_crimes/degrees.murder.htm

 

[b.humble]

I agree that nothing happens at this point, ie on Mar 22 or thereabouts.

Part of that is because, in the next month, there should be multiple decisions made that change the view for both sides. We're somewhat in a brief transition period. There are two cases pending, the formal arraignment with a reading of the indictment and a plea has not occurred, and the defense still awaits a look at the evidence stacked against them.

But the process will start moving soon. I think how the SA case is handled will have some (and maybe a rather large) impact on the how each side views the AK case. And until we get past these transitional hurdles, I don't think either side is likely to chase a deal.

Ultimately I think the SA case will end up negotiated.

I'm still at about 50-50 on the AK. I think both sides have something to gain, with the right deal, but I think that time is of the essence for EA, because if CM is found before a deal gets made, that window will close for EA and (if she's dead) he'll end up fighting to avoid death row. JMO

Quick question about the BBM statement; does the defense gain access to the full scope of evidence or only exculpatory evidence?

 

[cluciano63]

I think any sort of plea deal is a long way off. First, he would have to be charged with capital murder, and usually any plea comes just before or during a trial, if it appears the suspect will be convicted. Then the state might offer life without parole if he tells where Christina is. That could be a few years off, Imo.

 

[b.humble]

Good point that the sexual assault aspect was clearly part of both the affidavits and the indictment, whereas the text about the "good rock" was mentioned in neither. That gives us an indication of what the evidence points to, even if we haven't seen all of it.

According to the grand jury, EA acted "with the intent to violate or abuse sexually Christina Morris," and "terrorize Christina Morris."

To me, the "opportunity" aspect also is important in evaluating the relative likelihood of the various speculation here. Use of a date-rape drug or rape kit only requires that EA pull something out of his pocket or car, and he was known to be there. Whereas, if we want to somehow work the good rock into the mix, we'd have to somehow add more people to the location of CM after 3:55, but we don't have any evidence of anyone else being where she was except EA and perhaps his brother.

The "good rock" text, while not specifically narrated in either of the affidavits, was referenced as part of the text messages sent from EA's mobile phone number to HF's mobile phone number in the affidavits (at least the arrest affidavit). With that being said, I'm with you on "SA" being a much more prominent, if not central feature, within the arrest affidavit. I don't think LE's reason for including general text information was because they believe the texts to HF or the specific verbiage of the "good rock" text to be of dire relevance to what may have occurred, but rather to:
1) Establish EA's habitual lying (after claiming to have not interacted with CM during the walk he theorized that he must have let CM borrow his phone to contact HF when confronted with the text info being found by LE).
2) Establish EA's obfuscating/covering/hiding information from LE visibility by deleting messages on his mobile device and claiming he did not send messages on the weekend of 8/29. After LE obtained a Search Warrant for EA's cellular phone records they were able to dispute his claim.

I tend to think the "good rock" text was sent by CM to elicit a response from HF, but thats just a theory. All any of us can do is speculate on who sent it and/or why they sent it, IMO.

I have also wondered about the possibility of a "date rape" drug being unknowingly administered to CM. While currently 100% speculative in nature, I have been curious if further property searches, trash pulls, or past encounters coming forward will illustrate a possibility of this scenario.

 

[b.humble]

Thank you for the explanation. When I responded I should have added the razz thingy :razz:, because replies in writing can come across differently (harsher) than when a similar reply is delivered in person. Sometimes I'd like it if some of the points that are brought up here weren't dismissed so quickly and could be explored a little bit versus being shut down immediately.

I completely understand and I appreciate you responding! I also genuinely appreciate your contributions. We all have a touch of the "razz" from time to time :slap:, but I think we can all assume positive intent due to, IMO, the central theme and motivator: Justice for CM.
I've said a version of this in the past, but I value the disagreements along with the agreements; they challenge all of us to consider what we know and what we think we know, as well as question what it is we don't know. We all have different styles of arriving at and communicating ideas, challenging one another, and adding onto thoughts/questioning one another. Keep your thoughts coming!!

 

[Bootsctr]

I find the "good rock" text quite intriguing... I seem to be alone :desert:

What kind of response would the "good rock" text elicit from HF? As far as we know, he ignored that text along with the 15 other texts.

At what point was PPD aware that HF and CM were arguing? Do they even care? I don't think so.

At what point did PPD become aware that boyfriend and 14 other people were being watched at Eternal Eden for selling bad mollies that had killed at least 3 teens that we are aware of? :dunno: I don't think they care. Separate investigation that muddies the water of their investigation.

Why did it take 30 days to find CM's camera that was listed on the missing poster at her home? The posters that HF himself took and posted along the way to Oklahoma. Did he fail to read the poster and miss that the camera was on the list?? Ditto for the phone cover.... Ditto for the clothing...

When did HF even go back to their home to care for the dogs? Who else was living at the house?

At this point, none of that even matters because LE is satisfied that they have their man and the family is happy and positive the guilty party is in jail, so why rock the boat by digging any deeper when most assuredly we are to believe he will be convicted and a guilty verdict is as good as signed, sealed and delivered.

"•The last record of Morris’ phone being used was at 3:45 a.m. on Aug. 30. There had been several calls and texts earlier in the evening/morning to Foster, Petrosky, Nickerson and Logan Prendergast, her ex-boyfriend.
•Morris was supposed to contact Nickerson when she safely made it to her car. When Nickerson tried to follow up with her several minutes after their 3:43 a.m. phone conversation, he noticed the messages were no longer blue, indicating either her phone was off or she was no longer on iChat."

http://www.fox4news.com/story/27856631/christina-morris-kidnapping-suspect-hoping-to-get-out-of-jail

These facts bother me.

Moving on to Robert Durst.... Justice for Kathleen McCormack, Susan Berman and Morris Black.