GUILTY TX - Christina Morris, 23, Plano, 30 August 2014 - #38 *Arrest*

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  • #541
I appreciate the time it took you to reply to my questions and observations pertaining to the route and ping evidence of EA's travel the morning of August 30.
Even though the subject was discussed months ago, the threads were moving so quickly at that time, I didn't grasp or take the time to digest EA's travel pattern fully.
Maybe LE has gathered more evidence if they were able to determine when EA's phone was on or off and then form ideas from knowing about the specific time allowances.

I'm going to bump a post bootsctr posted containing a link to an article with a few interesting comments attached.
In one of the comments, someone asked why LE didn't use the toll and ping info (facts of the case) to make the public aware of the Camaro in case a witness saw it on the road the morning of August 30.
Maybe someone noticed EA's vehicle.
She made the point that a trucker wouldn't be reading WS so the alert would need to be communicated in another way to reach the desired audience.
There is always a chance LE has received tips. Knowing where EA traveled seems key to finding Christina.
EA's car should be displayed and be as important as Christina's picture. :thinking:

Yeah, I agree, the car is important (and noticeable).. I know that at one point it was on the "missing" posters, along with CM's picture... more than likely, someone saw it that morning, but probably never put 2+2 together, especially if they are not even aware of this case. (JMO)

ETA: I still wonder about the sudden search around the Watters Creek area a few months ago (15-20 detectives). LE claims it was just "another" search. I still think they might have had a tip, or something may have been found in that area... Did someone maybe see his car? Oh well... who knows... might be nothing..
 
  • #542
I find the "good rock" text quite intriguing... I seem to be alone :desert:

What kind of response would the "good rock" text elicit from HF? As far as we know, he ignored that text along with the 15 other texts.

At what point was PPD aware that HF and CM were arguing? Do they even care? I don't think so.

At what point did PPD become aware that boyfriend and 14 other people were being watched at Eternal Eden for selling bad mollies that had killed at least 3 teens that we are aware of? :dunno: I don't think they care. Separate investigation that muddies the water of their investigation.

Why did it take 30 days to find CM's camera that was listed on the missing poster at her home? The posters that HF himself took and posted along the way to Oklahoma. Did he fail to read the poster and miss that the camera was on the list?? Ditto for the phone cover.... Ditto for the clothing...

When did HF even go back to their home to care for the dogs? Who else was living at the house?

At this point, none of that even matters because LE is satisfied that they have their man and the family is happy and positive the guilty party is in jail, so why rock the boat by digging any deeper when most assuredly we are to believe he will be convicted and a guilty verdict is as good as signed, sealed and delivered.

"•The last record of Morris’ phone being used was at 3:45 a.m. on Aug. 30. There had been several calls and texts earlier in the evening/morning to Foster, Petrosky, Nickerson and Logan Prendergast, her ex-boyfriend.
•Morris was supposed to contact Nickerson when she safely made it to her car. When Nickerson tried to follow up with her several minutes after their 3:43 a.m. phone conversation, he noticed the messages were no longer blue, indicating either her phone was off or she was no longer on iChat."

http://www.fox4news.com/story/27856631/christina-morris-kidnapping-suspect-hoping-to-get-out-of-jail

These facts bother me.

Moving on to Robert Durst.... Justice for Kathleen McCormack, Susan Berman and Morris Black.

Underneath the Fox article there are a few interesting comments imo.

On another topic, the idea has been brought up often that CM must have been trying to get HF to respond to her by sending HF the "good rock" text (using EA's phone).

First, we have to determine whose idea it was to send the text in the first place, EA or CM's?
The most obvious answer as to why EA's phone was used to send the text is, EA wanted some "good rock" and knew HF might have some available to sell to him.

Second, if SN is to be believed, CM made contact with HF during the time SN and CM were together at Scruffy Duffies.
CM entered SD just past 12:30 a.m. and the bar closes at 2:00 a.m., therefore, CM had contact with HF during the morning hours already.
The version of the story that seems to be sticking is that CM couldn't get HF to respond to her texts or calls all night long.
SN told a story that, if true, proves otherwise.
 
  • #543
Yeah, I agree, the car is important (and noticeable).. I know that at one point it was on the "missing" posters, along with CM's picture... more than likely, someone saw it that morning, but probably never put 2+2 together, especially if they are not even aware of this case. (JMO)

EA's car was included on a poster?
If so, I missed it or just don't recall.
 
  • #544
I believe that the VIs had a reason to be on the site that ran its course. Against TOS to discuss in detail but the cliff note summary would be that they were no longer gaining anything being here, IMO. This isn't a reflection of our input and effort, there really hasn't been anything that provides additional clues to where CM is located for us to go on.

After studying the route EA took, it finally clicked as to why Lewisville Lake area is of concern.

http://www.ask.com/wiki/Lewisville_Lake?o=2801&qsrc=999&ad=doubleDown&an=apn&ap=ask.com

There's a small aerial image of the whole area taken in 2009 at the link. How the heck is an area like this ever searched thoroughly?
 
  • #545
I think any sort of plea deal is a long way off. First, he would have to be charged with capital murder, and usually any plea comes just before or during a trial, if it appears the suspect will be convicted. Then the state might offer life without parole if he tells where Christina is. That could be a few years off, Imo.

bbm
clu, is it true plea deals are made after a trial has begun? I'm asking because I really don't know the answer.
Having that option just doesn't sound right.
Gee, after all the time it takes for so many people to prepare for trial, and there's still the option of a plea deal being accepted AFTER the trial is underway?
 
  • #546
bbm
clu, is it true plea deals are made after a trial has begun? I'm asking because I really don't know the answer.
Having that option just doesn't sound right.
Gee, after all the time it takes for so many people to prepare for trial, and there's still the option of a plea deal being accepted AFTER the trial is underway?

The defense can request a meeting for a possible plea. Usually there probably would not be much reason for the State to bother, but if the body was never found, that would be a special case, Imo.

http://criminal.lawyers.com/criminal-law-basics/most-criminal-cases-involve-plea-bargains.html

Says either side can request a plea during a trial.
 
  • #547
  • #548
EA's car should have been all over the media as soon as LE began to focus on him, Imo. They would not have had to name him. But as time passed, it became far too late to do any good, Imo.
 
  • #549
EA's car should have been all over the media as soon as LE began to focus on him, Imo. They would not have had to name him. But as time passed, it became far too late to do any good, Imo.

Releasing that info too soon might have compromised the investigation.. LE didn't have the DNA results until mid-December. Early on, they probably didn't want the "Big Bad Wolf" to know that he was their target. I trust that LE has their reasons for the way they handle certain aspects of this (or any) case. (JMO)
 
  • #550
Releasing that info too soon might have compromised the investigation.. LE didn't have the DNA results until mid-December. Early on, they probably didn't want the "Big Bad Wolf" to know that he was their target. I trust that LE has their reasons for the way they handle certain aspects of this (or any) case. (JMO)

Maybe. But they lost a chance to possibly gain witnesses, Imo.
 
  • #551
I appreciate the time it took you to reply to my questions and observations pertaining to the route and ping evidence of EA's travel the morning of August 30.
Even though the subject was discussed months ago, the threads were moving so quickly at that time, I didn't grasp or take the time to digest EA's travel pattern fully.
Maybe LE has gathered more evidence if they were able to determine when EA's phone was on or off and then form ideas from knowing about the specific time allowances.

I'm going to bump a post bootsctr posted containing a link to an article with a few interesting comments attached.
In one of the comments, someone asked why LE didn't use the toll and ping info (facts of the case) to make the public aware of the Camaro in case a witness saw it on the road the morning of August 30.
Maybe someone noticed EA's vehicle.
She made the point that a trucker wouldn't be reading WS so the alert would need to be communicated in another way to reach the desired audience.
There is always a chance LE has received tips. Knowing where EA traveled seems key to finding Christina.
EA's car should be displayed and be as important as Christina's picture. :thinking:

Unrelated story with a moral meaning*:
In March of 2010, my cousin had to be at work very early one morning and dropped her son off at her mother's house. As she was driving, she noticed a cab "broken down" on the shoulder of the road, a road that ran alongside a heavily wooded area. Given the time of morning, and the fact that cabs are not common modes of transportation for the area, she considered calling police for a welfare check on the driver, in case they needed assistance. She wasn't sure whether or not she should interfere and decided that since she had to pass the area again she would only call if the cab was still there. After dropping her son off, she drove back past the area and the cab was gone. She assumed she made the right decision, went about her day, and the very next day, all hell broke loose. I'll let you fill in the blanks on what she was likely driving past and her decision to not call the cops is something that has haunted her.
This story is not for the faint of heart:
http://www.arklatexhomepage.com/story/d/story/brian-horn-trial/54796/1g8aE7PU30WOMecQT3HZuA

Based on the set of experiences a family member had, I asked myself the same questions.
I think I found out about his vehicle only when the affidavit for the search warrant to his car was made public and I pondered on what would have or could have been different had the public known, not about EA, but about the car in question, his car. The conclusion I arrived at was a)*if you see something suspicious, don't want for police to invite you to call. CALL! and b) I'm glad they didn't; that could have been disastrous.
Here are a few things I've thought of, I'm sure there's much more:

1) That is a common car. Consider the inundation of calls that would have been made by people all over DFW:
- Valid: those claiming to have seen the vehicle that morning, in the area specified (validity then re-filtered by: new/additional information yielded or nothing new/useful)
- Questionable: those claiming to have seen a vehicle matching that description in unrelated areas
- Unreliable: those who didn't see it, but just wanted to call to report current sightings of a vehicle matching that description
- Public panic: those calling to ask if they are in danger because their neighbor/coworker/friend drives that vehicle.

2) Imagine those who drive same that vehicle and are completely innocent. They could end up being harassed, followed, or unfairly targeted.

3) Financial resources and human capital required, without the ability to predict whether additional value or insights will be provided by the cost incurred (we're just talking about manning phone lines).

4) EA becoming a flight risk.

5) Personally identifiable information being prematurely leaked about EA due to two and two being put together (his presence at then party + car)

6) Had it turned EA was completely innocent and wrongfully targeted, or no more innocent than he is today, but just not conclusively connected by evidence; her DNA not being found in his trunk, LE had no other viable angles to prove his connection, consider the damage LE would have caused, just by introducing a year/make/model of vehicle into public consciousness.

Early on, LE had a theory that EA had something to do with CM's disappearance based on lies (why lie if you have nothing to hide) and self conflicting statements (my girlfriend and I text all the time, but I didn't text anyone or receive any text messages on Labor Day weekend....uhh, coincidentally), questionable injuries, coworker statements, all of which had the appearance of involvement, but in not yet having physical proof, they had to be careful to not name him as a "suspect". If they had been wrong in their privately held suspicions, they would have been able to maintain clean hands in not damaging an individuals reputation, livelihood, quality of life, relationships, future potential, health, etc.

LE was adamant he was not a suspect all the way until they picked his tail up after the DNA results came back. Then, and only then, conclusive evidence in hand did they consider themselves as publicly having a suspect.
 
  • #552
Yeah, I agree, the car is important (and noticeable).. I know that at one point it was on the "missing" posters, along with CM's picture... more than likely, someone saw it that morning, but probably never put 2+2 together, especially if they are not even aware of this case. (JMO)

ETA: I still wonder about the sudden search around the Watters Creek area a few months ago (15-20 detectives). LE claims it was just "another" search. I still think they might have had a tip, or something may have been found in that area... Did someone maybe see his car? Oh well... who knows... might be nothing..

I've wondered about that too. The area is close to his house (based on home address in affidavits), but it's so densely populated that I was surprised at it being a location of interest.

I've also wondered if any of the items she was last know to possess (phone, phone case, shoes, backpack, hat, jewelry, clothing, keys?, etc) have been found and are in LE possession, but just not communicated with the public due to the private nature of the investigation. Again, I guess there's nothing to do at this moment but speculate.
 
  • #553
I've been combing through the Media Thread.
Some of the articles are updated making it difficult to pinpoint the specific date an event took place.
Anyhoo, here's a review of some early search information during the first week (not including Saturday-Tuesday, because CM wasn't reported missing until 11:30 p.m. on Tuesday, Sept. 2).

1. Sgt. John Britton of Plano LE said a police led search took place. The people were divided into three groups.
A large field near Legacy Drive and Parkwood Boulevard by an office building was searched.
And, "anywhere someone could pull off the road".
He lists items to be on the lookout for - the list includes a Canon Camera.

2. "Plano PD is also working with North Texas Transit Authority (NTTA) to get license plate numbers on vehicles that may have used the Tollway around the time Morris was last seen."

3. The search on Thursday (I think they mean Sept. 4), covered the field on the east and west sides of
the Dallas North Tollway.
"Tilley said his department is confident that general area has been cleared very thoroughly."

4. On Sunday (Sept. 7) morning, volunteers met at Pier 121 at Lewisville Lake and
then moved on to an area near Allen High School.

5. Monday (Sept. 8) TES began preparing to search by becoming familiar with the area.
LE informs TES about areas that were already searched.
I think the volunteers are still conducting searches around areas near Allen High School.

6. Tuesday (Sept. 9) TES began searching.
News this day includes Jonni's remarks to media about HF's cooperation and that
he and his father drove up to Choctaw Casino in Durant, Okla.,
to distribute flyers at truck stops and other locations along the way.
As far as I can tell, the flyers did not include details about EA's Camaro.

Also on Sept. 9, foot searches continued around the wooded areas near SAL.
These wooded areas are difficult to search so maybe TES helped to search there.

7. Jumping ahead, more than two months later, to Media Thread post #19 dated November 19, 2014.
Detectives were on foot searching in Allen in a wooded area
west of U.S. Highway 75 between W. Bethany Drive and Chase Oaks.

What might this information lead us to believe?

My take on it is, by November, LE suspected EA may have pulled over and left Christina in the elements
prior to arriving home.
(So, prior to 5:32 a.m., the time EA's phone pinged from the tower on E. Bethany Drive.)
 
  • #554
Yeah, I agree, the car is important (and noticeable).. I know that at one point it was on the "missing" posters, along with CM's picture... more than likely, someone saw it that morning, but probably never put 2+2 together, especially if they are not even aware of this case. (JMO)

ETA: I still wonder about the sudden search around the Watters Creek area a few months ago (15-20 detectives). LE claims it was just "another" search. I still think they might have had a tip, or something may have been found in that area... Did someone maybe see his car? Oh well... who knows... might be nothing..

Does the Watters Creek area match the area of the search on November 19? (West of U.S. 75 between W. Bethany and Chase Oaks.)
Or, is this a different area altogether?

Oh, I put the streets in google and first place on the list is a self storage place saying turn left on Watters.
I guess the Watters area is the same one LE searched on November 19.
 
  • #555
b.humble, the link you provided doesn't work for me. I can only imagine!

I have to ponder your other points because LE often provides descriptions of vehicles in other cases.
 
  • #556
Does the Watters Creek area match the area of the search on November 19? (West of U.S. 75 between W. Bethany and Chase Oaks.)
Or, is this a different area altogether?

Yes, same area & search I was referring to...
 
  • #557
The defense can request a meeting for a possible plea. Usually there probably would not be much reason for the State to bother, but if the body was never found, that would be a special case, Imo.

http://criminal.lawyers.com/criminal-law-basics/most-criminal-cases-involve-plea-bargains.html

Says either side can request a plea during a trial.

Technically, a deal can be reached at any time before a jury renders the verdict. They do happen during a trial, without question, although they occur way more often in advance of a trial.
 
  • #558
I've been combing through the Media Thread.
Some of the articles are updated making it difficult to pinpoint the specific date an event took place.
Anyhoo, here's a review of some early search information during the first week (not including Saturday-Tuesday, because CM wasn't reported missing until 11:30 p.m. on Tuesday, Sept. 2).

1. Sgt. John Britton of Plano LE said a police led search took place. The people were divided into three groups.
A large field near Legacy Drive and Parkwood Boulevard by an office building was searched.
And, "anywhere someone could pull off the road".
He lists items to be on the lookout for - the list includes a Canon Camera.

2. "Plano PD is also working with North Texas Transit Authority (NTTA) to get license plate numbers on vehicles that may have used the Tollway around the time Morris was last seen."

3. The search on Thursday (I think they mean Sept. 4), covered the field on the east and west sides of
the Dallas North Tollway.
"Tilley said his department is confident that general area has been cleared very thoroughly."

4. On Sunday (Sept. 7) morning, volunteers met at Pier 121 at Lewisville Lake and
then moved on to an area near Allen High School.

5. Monday (Sept. 8) TES began preparing to search by becoming familiar with the area.
LE informs TES about areas that were already searched.
I think the volunteers are still conducting searches around areas near Allen High School.

6. Tuesday (Sept. 9) TES began searching.
News this day includes Jonni's remarks to media about HF's cooperation and that
he and his father drove up to Choctaw Casino in Durant, Okla.,
to distribute flyers at truck stops and other locations along the way.
As far as I can tell, the flyers did not include details about EA's Camaro.

Also on Sept. 9, foot searches continued around the wooded areas near SAL.
These wooded areas are difficult to search so maybe TES helped to search there.

7. Jumping ahead, more than two months later, to Media Thread post #19 dated November 19, 2014.
Detectives were on foot searching in Allen in a wooded area
west of U.S. Highway 75 between W. Bethany Drive and Chase Oaks.

What might this information lead us to believe?

My take on it is, by November, LE suspected EA may have pulled over and left Christina in the elements
prior to arriving home.
(So, prior to 5:32 a.m., the time EA's phone pinged from the tower on E. Bethany Drive.)

Thank you for posting such a great summary.

Is it possible a tip called in by a member of the public led to the search reported on November 19?



I recall reading discussions on here about tag readers for tolls so I'm very curious to know if you think this led to any helpful information -

2. "Plano PD is also working with North Texas Transit Authority (NTTA) to get license plate numbers on vehicles that may have used the Tollway around the time Morris was last seen."

(I don't know much about the lay of the land or the number, locations of toll roads. Looks like there may be 3 in Collins Co.?)


Here are all CFH (calls for help/police dispatches) for Labor Day Weekend from Plano PD. I'm sure you've all already seen them but maybe something will jog someone's memory with the passage of time and additional information obtained via the court proceedings (i.e., streets & highways, landmarks, and, as b. Humble mentioned, "abandoned" vehicles.)
August 30 http://www.plano.gov/ArchiveCenter/ViewFile/Item/3659
August 31 http://www.plano.gov/ArchiveCenter/ViewFile/Item/3660
September 1 http://www.plano.gov/ArchiveCenter/ViewFile/Item/3671

ETA - links to all archived dates http://www.plano.gov/Archive.aspx?AMID=68

JMO & just trying to help.
 
  • #559
Thank you for posting such a great summary.

Is it possible a tip called in by a member of the public led to the search reported on November 19?



I recall reading discussions on here about tag readers for tolls so I'm very curious to know if you think this led to any helpful information -

2. "Plano PD is also working with North Texas Transit Authority (NTTA) to get license plate numbers on vehicles that may have used the Tollway around the time Morris was last seen."

(I don't know much about the lay of the land or the number, locations of toll roads. Looks like there may be 3 in Collins Co.?)


Here are all CFH (calls for help/police dispatches) for Labor Day Weekend from Plano PD. I'm sure you've all already seen them but maybe something will jog someone's memory with the passage of time and additional information obtained via the court proceedings (i.e., streets & highways, landmarks, and, as b. Humble mentioned, "abandoned" vehicles.)
August 30 http://www.plano.gov/ArchiveCenter/ViewFile/Item/3659
August 31 http://www.plano.gov/ArchiveCenter/ViewFile/Item/3660
September 1 http://www.plano.gov/ArchiveCenter/ViewFile/Item/3671

ETA - links to all archived dates http://www.plano.gov/Archive.aspx?AMID=68

JMO & just trying to help.

It is interesting that you can get this info. I had no idea that dispatch info is available. In connection with something else entirely, how would one go about getting such info from the Dallas police, for instance?
 
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