GUILTY TX - Christina Morris, 23, Plano, 30 August 2014 - #39 *Arrest*

[Mamamerced]

Is there something wrong with this thread, or is it just me?? Mods?

What are you noticing?

 

[zippixx]

What are you noticing?

It's been fixed... all's good... (site was really screwed up last night)

 

[heather.scissorhands]

Respectfully, I disagree (strongly disagree!!!!!!) with your insinuation that people here don't give a damn about Christina. In fact, I think it's just the opposite - that the insistence on following the evidence, and on examining/pursuing the one that the evidence indicates did her wrong, is an indicator of the fact people care. We want the guy who did it to be the guy under the microscope, sleuthed, convicted, and locked away for as long as possible, for such heinous acts. Focus. Because we care.

If EA did it, and acted alone (and so far, that's exactly what the evidence indicates), then why would anyone who cares about Christina want the conversation to be focused elsewhere, on some other person or some other act?

But all the evidence points at one guy. Lots and lots of it. It's easy to get distracted as to what's important, but he was the last person with her, she was put IN HIS TRUNK (and there's your abduction), she has never been seen or heard from again, and he's tried to cover up everything he did with her and in the days that followed. So all the answers for Christina lie with him. He knows where he put her. He knows if he had a helper. He knows what happened after the video. It may be boring to keep focusing on him, but imo it shows a caring for justice for Christina to do the boring process of continuing to focus on the guy who did it, according to all the evidence.

Of course, if there's evidence against others, let's talk about them. What's the evidence that indicates an involvement of another in THIS crime of abduction and perhaps murder? So far, none. But if someone has something to tie another to THIS CRIME (of abduction, and perhaps murder), would certainly love to hear the evidence and take it where it leads.

Well I found this thread on page 3. Is there anything anyone would like to discuss besides that she was in EA'S trunk? Or are we just supposed to stop until the trial? I guess I'm fairly new to Websleuths, so this is confusing to me.

 

[heather.scissorhands]

I agree ^^^^^
Those who do not...please share what you believe points to others. Yes, we know her BF is a drug dealer...but as far as we know, he was not around that night and had to reason no abduct Christina, or have someone else do it. And if EA had anyone else to share the blame, I really believe he would have spilled it long ago. But he doesn't...he is "it." For whatever reason, whatever happened between Christina and him, or did not happen that he wished had...he took her away from that parking garage to who knows where...and killed her. And I have my doubts as to whether he will ever admit it...some people can't or won't, even if facing the death penalty. Jmo

I have been trying to bring this conversation around from a very off putting argument to a "hey let's sleuth EA" list, in hopes we might inspire someone to figure out where she is.

I will not have this fight about people who think EA is the only perp in this case. I'm done with that. So, please, can we move on?

I'm sorry, I quoted the wrong persons! Please forgive me!

 

[daisytrail]

Thank you. Very good, yes. Intuition - instinct. Deduction - higher reasoning.

The limbic system consisting a set of primitive structures that provide for basic needs via the olfactory, amygdala and hippocampus, among others, combined with the much more advanced prefrontal cortex needed for planning complex cognitive behavior. It is believed that this combination contributes to advancing the human race by rewarding complex problem solving as related to the pleasure obtained from basic needs like eating and sex, for example.

So we are not satiated just by satisfying the basic need - we desire a result that brings us beyond that to a place we feel mentally satisfied.

I am just a disabled janitor, but sometimes things make sense to me even if I cannot state it cohesively, LOL

ETA: I meant to work in Critical Thinking there, but somehow I lost my track. :thinking:

MOO

I am glad I am not the only person to have seen a wombat. Now let me tell you about this unicorn . . . she is the distraction that requires re-editing, and re-editing and then I can go back a read two days later and find things I need to fix when the editing option is gone.

 

[pappa rob]

Well I found this thread on page 3. Is there anything anyone would like to discuss besides that she was in EA'S trunk? Or are we just supposed to stop until the trial? I guess I'm fairly new to Websleuths, so this is confusing to me.

You can discuss her being in the truck. No need to wait for the trial. I for one would love to hear about what they found, but I imagine that will have to wait for the trial.

 

[Bootsctr]

You can discuss her being in the truck. No need to wait for the trial. I for one would love to hear about what they found, but I imagine that will have to wait for the trial.

What truck?

 

[Bootsctr]

What are you noticing?

Google something or other is wanting to track my clicks from this site...

 

[daisytrail]

Google something or other is wanting to track my clicks from this site...

I keep getting that to and I keep on not allowing it.

 

[Bootsctr]

I keep getting that to and I keep on not allowing it.

Me either and that's when the screen gets all screwy and wiggly.... DT, do you know about a truck that CM was in?

 

[heather.scissorhands]

I think he/she meant trunk

 

[Steleheart]

You can discuss her being in the truck. No need to wait for the trial. I for one would love to hear about what they found, but I imagine that will have to wait for the trial.

Someone mentioned EA's injuries In the context that it would be entirely possible that CM was not dead in the trunk and when he opened it she shot out like a Pitbull and put up a good fight. Albeit a tiny Pitbull and she beat him up. Sadly though she is the one who did not go home.

So I think we touched on the DNA being consistent with bodily fluid such as saliva or blood and also how 2 areas of the trunk showed blood when it fluoresced. I do believe mucous fluid would also fit and if he cold cocked her breaking her nose, there could be both. One of the reasons I have felt that to be plausible is because I have heard it said in many cases of abduction that the perpetrator must gain compliance quickly. Just some cases recently;

~Holly Bobo left blood drops in the garage - they were crouching down and then she was seen walking with her abductor not -struggling. A good rap across the nose with the barrel of a gun will do it. The gun for fear and the painful injury for compliance.
~Nathaniel Kibby is charged with using a stun gun and a pistol during the kidnapping. The pistol for fear and the painful stun gun for compliance.
~ Morgan Harrington was reported to have broken ribs AND
~ Hannah Graham is seen on video walking close to Jesse Matthew and reportedly had trouble walking. We did not hear details about obvious injuries to her skeleton but when I look at the videos I see a girl who very possibly may already have a broken rib and not necessarily under the influence. He's a big guy and if that was his MO it was quick and painful.

So I can see that EA may have gained the same advantage at first in the hope of assaulting her later.


MOO

 

[Bootsctr]

I think he/she meant trunk

:doh: Thanks HF! That's how rumors get started....

About the DNA in the trunk, we still don't know if it was enough blood to have caused CM's death yet do we?

In looking at it as plainly as I can, EA's guilty of kidnapping and I think LE would love to find CM. It goes without saying her family does too, but with a body they would then charge EA with murder. Right now, EA is given the presumption of innocence. I still don't know why everyone doesn't want to speculate he could have had help. And I'm not necessarily talking about HF. Although, he's sitting in jail with no chance of even a trial at this point, if I am understanding the Kaufman county jail lingo...

 

[Bootsctr]

Someone mentioned EA's injuries In the context that it would be entirely possible that CM was not dead in the trunk and when he opened it she shot out like a Pitbull and put up a good fight. Albeit a tiny Pitbull and she beat him up. Sadly though she is the one who did not go home.

So I think we touched on the DNA being consistent with bodily fluid such as saliva or blood and also how 2 areas of the trunk showed blood when it fluoresced. I do believe mucous fluid would also fit and if he cold cocked her breaking her nose, there could be both. One of the reasons I have felt that to be plausible is because I have heard it said in many cases of abduction that the perpetrator must gain compliance quickly. Just some cases recently;

~Holly Bobo left blood drops in the garage - they were crouching down and then she was seen walking with her abductor not -struggling. A good rap across the nose with the barrel of a gun will do it. The gun for fear and the painful injury for compliance.
~Nathaniel Kibby is charged with using a stun gun and a pistol during the kidnapping. The pistol for fear and the painful stun gun for compliance.
~ Morgan Harrington was reported to have broken ribs AND
~ Hannah Graham is seen on video walking close to Jesse Matthew and reportedly had trouble walking. We did not hear details about obvious injuries to her skeleton but when I look at the videos I see a girl who very possibly may already have a broken rib and not necessarily under the influence. He's a big guy and if that was his MO it was quick and painful.

So I can see that EA may have gained the same advantage at first in the hope of assaulting her later.


MOO

Oh yes. That sounds very familiar. Thank you.

I think my problem is seeing them walking together on the video - you aren't seeing any signs of distress like in the Hannah Graham case. Plus, the officer who pulled additional video says that the walk to the garage was normal. Hard to imagine someone just becoming so violent so quickly, but that's how it had to be if she left the garage involuntarily which the detective states she believes Christina left in the trunk. And the problem I have with that is that they never treated the garage like a crime scene.

Surely this dude did not go back to the garage and clean up any blood or anything that might have been dropped because he would have been caught on camera again.

 

[pappa rob]

Sorry I misspelled, or was it autocorrect ?

 

[Bootsctr]

Sorry I misspelled, or was it autocorrect ?

I always blame autocorrect.... Sure made me think I had missed something though.

 

[Advocate1]

Christina was in my thoughts today. Sending lots of love her way and her friends and family are in my prayers.

 

[SteveS]

Oh yes. That sounds very familiar. Thank you.

I think my problem is seeing them walking together on the video - you aren't seeing any signs of distress like in the Hannah Graham case. Plus, the officer who pulled additional video says that the walk to the garage was normal. Hard to imagine someone just becoming so violent so quickly, but that's how it had to be if she left the garage involuntarily which the detective states she believes Christina left in the trunk. And the problem I have with that is that they never treated the garage like a crime scene.

Surely this dude did not go back to the garage and clean up any blood or anything that might have been dropped because he would have been caught on camera again.

As I recall, at some point we parsed the reports of what the detective said, and it was perhaps determined that what was said was not really a flat conclusion that she was in already EA's trunk when he drove out of the garage. IOW, not having the transcript, either we or the media kinda took it farther than was actually said. Maybe.

Not that it really matters imo. I don't think that LE will try to prove where she was initially trunked, to start the abduction, but only that she was.

 

[Bootsctr]

If he knew anything about real estate, he might have stuffed her in the attic of an abandoned house or other rural property. He might have even put her in a suitcase at some point that morning to move her from his home to another. She only weighed 95 lbs according to one missing poster. I didn't realize he is 6'9" and 175 lbs.

 

[heather.scissorhands]

6'9" NOW that is how rumors get started. Dear lord, he's a monster!

I'm sure you meant 5'9". He definitely had an advantage over her.