GUILTY TX - Christina Morris, 23, Plano, 30 August 2014 - #39 *Arrest*

[MzOpinion8d]

I disagree that EA knew HF expected her home in an hour. EA expected HF to tell him where to find drugs, but that was it.

Why do you disagree with that? I thought it was evidence from court papers that her last texts and voicemails were to HF, while walking with EA to the parking garage, telling him to leave the door unlocked. And that she was actually using EA's phone for some of those messages, both text and voice.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

The fact remains that regardless of how much time EA may have thought he had to get rid of her, he KNEW he was the LAST PERSON TO SEE HER ALIVE and that he'd be the FIRST person people would be questioning.

Actually, no. They would have to talk to everyone at the apartment/party first to find out he was the last to see her. He wasn't the first one they questioned either.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Why do you disagree with that? I thought it was evidence from court papers that her last texts and voicemails were to HF, while walking with EA to the parking garage, telling him to leave the door unlocked. And that she was actually using EA's phone for some of those messages, both text and voice.

Even Christina wasn't sure when she was going to be home, imo. While she may have texted things to HF supposedly she wasn't at all certain he was receiving them so his knowledge of when she was due home didn't matter. Still, it doesn't mean EA paid attention to her ramblings to HF other than the drug text I think he did make.

 

[MzOpinion8d]

I'm more bothered by this than I should be, but there really is no logic in thinking EA waited 2, 3, 4 or more days before disposing of Christina. I mean, he lived with his mom and dad, with his brother home that particular weekend too. Where would he have put her for those days?

I don't think he had it in his mind that he was going to attack her when they walked to the parking garage. I think he heard her frustration with HF and seized an opportunity, thinking maybe he could get lucky because she was mad at HF. Then she fought back and he hurt her/killed her. He wouldn't have had a clue what to do at that point, he would have been panicking and wanting to be done with the situation immediately.

This wasn't a psycho serial killer type of situation where he wanted to savor every moment and relive it. This was an omg wtf have I done moment. If he'd been planning things out, he wouldn't have had damage on his car, he wouldn't have been injured, he would have showed up to work as casual as could be, right on time, while CM was locked in a storage facility or a basement of some abandoned house that he had scoped out.

 

[DexterMorgan]

I'm more bothered by this than I should be, but there really is no logic in thinking EA waited 2, 3, 4 or more days before disposing of Christina. I mean, he lived with his mom and dad, with his brother home that particular weekend too. Where would he have put her for those days?

I don't think he had it in his mind that he was going to attack her when they walked to the parking garage. I think he heard her frustration with HF and seized an opportunity, thinking maybe he could get lucky because she was mad at HF. Then she fought back and he hurt her/killed her. He wouldn't have had a clue what to do at that point, he would have been panicking and wanting to be done with the situation immediately.

This wasn't a psycho serial killer type of situation where he wanted to savor every moment and relive it. This was an omg wtf have I done moment. If he'd been planning things out, he wouldn't have had damage on his car, he wouldn't have been injured, he would have showed up to work as casual as could be, right on time, while CM was locked in a storage facility or a basement of some abandoned house that he had scoped out.

We are not saying he waited 4 days to initially dispose of her. We are saying that the delay gave him more time to retrieve her body from wherever and redispose it somewhere better if he needed to.

Now of course on day 1 he was a mess. But on day 2 he would have been thinking more clearly on how to finalize the hiding of the body. And to clean up more than what he did on day 1.

So of course the 4 day laspe gave him an extended advantage , even though he may not have originally known that it would take that long for her to be reported missing.

So he did have extra time to regroup if needed. So i blame cm boyfriend for that.

So lets not act like he would have been smooth sailing if hf reported cm missing on day 1. Especially since she told him she was on her way home at 4am. Jmo

 

[pappa rob]

Actually, no. They would have to talk to everyone at the apartment/party first to find out he was the last to see her. He wasn't the first one they questioned either.

I'm confused, he was on camera after leaving the party. Maybe you missed that fact, the video of the both of them walking after the party. No one else was on the tape, so far as I know he was the last from the party seen on tape.

 

[SteveS]

I'm more bothered by this than I should be, but there really is no logic in thinking EA waited 2, 3, 4 or more days before disposing of Christina. I mean, he lived with his mom and dad, with his brother home that particular weekend too. Where would he have put her for those days?

I don't think he had it in his mind that he was going to attack her when they walked to the parking garage. I think he heard her frustration with HF and seized an opportunity, thinking maybe he could get lucky because she was mad at HF. Then she fought back and he hurt her/killed her. He wouldn't have had a clue what to do at that point, he would have been panicking and wanting to be done with the situation immediately.

This wasn't a psycho serial killer type of situation where he wanted to savor every moment and relive it. This was an omg wtf have I done moment. If he'd been planning things out, he wouldn't have had damage on his car, he wouldn't have been injured, he would have showed up to work as casual as could be, right on time, while CM was locked in a storage facility or a basement of some abandoned house that he had scoped out.

Yeah, I think this is right on the mark.

I really don't follow or agree with the argument that EA probably waited several days to get rid of CM. We have STRONG motive for him to do so in the morning hours on Saturday (he KNEW he was the last person people saw her with, and people would come looking at him when they came looking for her). They might show up any minute at his work and say "Where's Christina? Can we take a look?" and he needed to be sure she was not in his possession to be found.

That was the most important thing he could do - get her out of his possession. And then we have evidence he acted accordingly, matching the motive (by Saturday morn his car was beat to death from off-roading to find a secluded spot, his body was bitten and bruised from the fight with CM, he showed up hours late to work).

To me, the only real question would be whether he might have put her some place hurriedly on Saturday, and then as time elapsed and no one came looking right away, maybe he felt he had a chance to return and move her to some place better. That's not an unreasonable idea offered by Dexter. I wouldn't think that was his original intent, because when he originally acted he had no idea he would have time for a do-over. And I have to believe he had fear that someone might see him or be watching, and the ongoing uncertainty he would have had as to the moment when people would come looking. But I can't rule out the nature of "buyer's remorse" in people, ie he had a couple days when no one asked anything and he had time to second-guess his choice of hiding spots and act again.

 

[SteveS]

The fact remains that regardless of how much time EA may have thought he had to get rid of her, he KNEW he was the LAST PERSON TO SEE HER ALIVE and that he'd be the FIRST person people would be questioning.

Actually, no.

Actually yes. MzOpinion8d is right on the mark.

EA knew he was the last person CM was seen with. No question about it. And he knew several people saw him leave the party with her. So he had to know anyone looking for CM was going to go down a road that led to him, directly, inevitably, and nowhere else ...and therefore, he knew at some point, at all times "any second now," one or more people were going to show up with police asking him about CM and looking for her where she was. He had to get her out of his possession, and obviously did so as fast as possible, willing to tear up his car and ditch work to do so.

 

[zippixx]

FYI... Slight change in EA's visitor list: Uncle added - Brother removed

 

[geevee]

Yeah, I think this is right on the mark.

I really don't follow or agree with the argument that EA probably waited several days to get rid of CM. We have STRONG motive for him to do so in the morning hours on Saturday (he KNEW he was the last person people saw her with, and people would come looking at him when they came looking for her). They might show up any minute at his work and say "Where's Christina? Can we take a look?" and he needed to be sure she was not in his possession to be found.

That was the most important thing he could do - get her out of his possession. And then we have evidence he acted accordingly, matching the motive (by Saturday morn his car was beat to death from off-roading to find a secluded spot, his body was bitten and bruised from the fight with CM, he showed up hours late to work).

To me, the only real question would be whether he might have put her some place hurriedly on Saturday, and then as time elapsed and no one came looking right away, maybe he felt he had a chance to return and move her to some place better. That's not an unreasonable idea offered by Dexter. I wouldn't think that was his original intent, because when he originally acted he had no idea he would have time for a do-over. And I have to believe he had fear that someone might see him or be watching, and the ongoing uncertainty he would have had as to the moment when people would come looking. But I can't rule out the nature of "buyer's remorse" in people, ie he had a couple days when no one asked anything and he had time to second-guess his choice of hiding spots and act again.

Unless LE is withholding from the public much stronger evidence of CM having been in his trunk than what they've related, I think for the reasons you outlined above he disposed of her quiickly and she was only in his trunk once. Sorry to be graphic but a decomposing body is going to leave behind much more evidence of having been there than soon after her demise, imo.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I'm confused, he was on camera after leaving the party. Maybe you missed that fact, the video of the both of them walking after the party. No one else was on the tape, so far as I know he was the last from the party seen on tape.

Granted he was on camera with her, but I thought they questioned the party goers before seeing the video. I could be mistaken, but isn't it how they figured out who he was?

 

[CuriousinNY]

In my theory, he disposed of her right away. I think his anxiety had to build over the 4 days. I know mine would! He may have revisited it more than once but I think I would spend my time trying to get rid of evidence. Cleaning and re-cleaning my car, clothes and myself. I would limit how much contact I had with the body due to the trace evidence I would have to try to rid myself of again. I believe the police would have talked to the party host first. When they asked her boyfriend or mother where she was, I am sure they would say, she went to a party at her high school friend, ****. From there they would have determined when she left and who she walked to her car with.

 

[deweesw]

If I remember correctly, the phone pings show that he headed towards Allen, then showed he was back north of the Shops at Legacy. I think the incident may have occured, he dumped her, then maybe went back to get her when he realized she would be easily found. Or maybe he went back to get physical evidence. Either way, I think he did all of this before showing up to work the next day.

 

[SteveS]

If I remember correctly, the phone pings show that he headed towards Allen, then showed he was back north of the Shops at Legacy. I think the incident may have occured, he dumped her, then maybe went back to get her when he realized she would be easily found. Or maybe he went back to get physical evidence. Either way, I think he did all of this before showing up to work the next day.

Good thinking, except the idea fits some but doesn't fit some of the other evidence. Yes he left the Shops area and came back, which could fit with the idea he dumped her and then came back and got her ...but supposedly the pings on HER phone showed to be traveling with his, during that round trip, which would seem to indicate they were traveling together.

 

[Steleheart]

Good thinking, except the idea fits some but doesn't fit some of the other evidence. Yes he left the Shops area and came back, which could fit with the idea he dumped her and then came back and got her ...but supposedly the pings on HER phone showed to be traveling with his, during that round trip, which would seem to indicate they were traveling together.

Or at least their phones were travelling together and he dumped the phone later?

 

[SteveS]

Or at least their phones were travelling together and he dumped the phone later?

So he does his predatory stuff right away, dumps her nearby immediately, steals her phone and drives away, then thinks better of it and brings her phone back and tosses it where he left her? I guess that fits evidence timelines to some extent. But ....

 

[CuriousinNY]

Maybe he didnt know he had her phone and when he found it, he drove it back to her location.

 

[Steleheart]

Maybe he didnt know he had her phone and when he found it, he drove it back to her location.

That was my train of thought. Dumped her and then noticed the phone - it was an *oh darn* moment since he knows phones being his job and all...

MOO

 

[MIKAYOYO]

That was my train of thought. Dumped her and then noticed the phone - it was an *oh darn* moment since he knows phones being his job and all...

MOO

I don't think he knew phones tthat much since his phone was still on and pinging.

 

[zippixx]

That was my train of thought. Dumped her and then noticed the phone - it was an *oh darn* moment since he knows phones being his job and all...

MOO

Yeah... or maybe her phone rang.. incoming call or text...