TX TX - Elizabeth Barraza, 29, murdered setting up garage sale, Harris Co, Jan 2019 #7

[somequestions]

We don't have garage sales in our neighborhood that often. People who organize them tell me they often write "estate sale" to attract customers. I wonder what Liz put on their ad. Seldom, but not impossible, someone can show up to mug or kill for a big game and just go up with the plan out of frustration.

I understand that most likely, she was targeted, but there are always exceptions that confirm the rules.

I wonder if maybe Elizabeth and Sergio put a start time on their garage sale signs?

What is sort of surprising is how the murderer in this case happened to show up so early and see Elizabeth Barraza outside in the garage driveway setting up for the garage sale. Did they show up because of the garage sale or because that is when they were expecting Elizabeth Barraza to walk out to her car to go to work?

It was pre-dawn outside. I do not know much about setting up for a garage sale, but who thinks someone is going to be setting up so early or even want to attend a garage sale before 7am?

The question this case makes me wonder about is was the garage sale and Elizabeth Barraza being off work that Friday a part of the planning the murderer took into consideration when committing the murder or was it simply a coincidence that Elizabeth Barraza was off work that day and outside setting up for the garage sale when the murderer showed up at about 6:52 am in their Nissan Frontier Pro-4X truck?

 

[Curiousobserver]

The most perplexing part of this case is that crimes like this are usually very personal and yet the perp has a recognizable vehicle that no one else in her friend circle recognizes, they have an somewhat recognizable appearance that no one recognizes, and they were missing from somewhere at the time of the crime but nobody noticed. Even after the crime, nobody in her circle has been able to connect the dots.

 

[arielilane]

I wouldn't be surprised if the answers are right there within the first 20/25 pages of the initial investigation. jmo

 

[Charlot123]

I wonder if maybe Elizabeth and Sergio put a start time on their garage sale signs?

What is sort of surprising is how the murderer in this case happened to show up so early and see Elizabeth Barraza outside in the garage driveway setting up for the garage sale. Did they show up because of the garage sale or because that is when they were expecting Elizabeth Barraza to walk out to her car to go to work?

It was pre-dawn outside. I do not know much about setting up for a garage sale, but who thinks someone is going to be setting up so early or even want to attend a garage sale before 7am?

The question this case makes me wonder about is was the garage sale and Elizabeth Barraza being off work that Friday a part of the planning the murderer took into consideration when committing the murder or was it simply a coincidence that Elizabeth Barraza was off work that day and outside setting up for the garage sale when the murderer showed up at about 6:52 am in their Nissan Frontier Pro-4X truck?

One of the groups knowing that Liz was going to be off work that day were her immediate coworkers…

 

[cnmccarthy]

I wonder if maybe Elizabeth and Sergio put a start time on their garage sale signs?

What is sort of surprising is how the murderer in this case happened to show up so early and see Elizabeth Barraza outside in the garage driveway setting up for the garage sale. Did they show up because of the garage sale or because that is when they were expecting Elizabeth Barraza to walk out to her car to go to work?

It was pre-dawn outside. I do not know much about setting up for a garage sale, but who thinks someone is going to be setting up so early or even want to attend a garage sale before 7am?

The question this case makes me wonder about is was the garage sale and Elizabeth Barraza being off work that Friday a part of the planning the murderer took into consideration when committing the murder or was it simply a coincidence that Elizabeth Barraza was off work that day and outside setting up for the garage sale when the murderer showed up at about 6:52 am in their Nissan Frontier Pro-4X truck?

This is something that has been answered dozens of times before in this thread but I’ll answer it again, nothing strange about starting a garage sale that early. In fact when we lived in Houston we’d start at like 6am setting up because we’d already have people lining up by 630ish. It’s known to start early to get the best stuff.

 

[CrimeTheorist]

This is something that has been answered dozens of times before in this thread but I’ll answer it again, nothing strange about starting a garage sale that early. In fact when we lived in Houston we’d start at like 6am setting up because we’d already have people lining up by 630ish. It’s known to start early to get the best stuff.

Just wondering if that was also the case in January when you had garage sales?

 

[FromGermany1]

One of the groups knowing that Liz was going to be off work that day were her immediate coworkers…

.... not to forget her family and his family (his probably at least).

PS: If Liz possibly had an appointment as a Star Wars figure at some hospital and had to cancel this appointment, because of her garage sale and Disney trip, THEN maybe more people were in the know of her being at home this certain day. - IMO and just a thought.

 

[Charlot123]

.... not to forget her family and his family (his probably at least).

PS: If Liz possibly had an appointment as a Star Wars figure at some hospital and had to cancel this appointment, because of her garage sale and Disney trip, THEN maybe more people were in the know of her being at home this certain day. - IMO and just a thought.

I just don't want people working with her to be overlooked. The moment it was found her job at the company a a a221222²2w2w2²222222awas regular data entry, I think interest to work plummeted. Her being a clerk doesn't negate the change

 

[somequestions]

The most perplexing part of this case is that crimes like this are usually very personal and yet the perp has a recognizable vehicle that no one else in her friend circle recognizes, they have an somewhat recognizable appearance that no one recognizes, and they were missing from somewhere at the time of the crime but nobody noticed. Even after the crime, nobody in her circle has been able to connect the dots.

This really is what is so perplexing about this case. I think the reason is that this person might have been more distant to Elizabeth Barraza than she realized. The crime happened so quick that I wonder if there had been more time whether Elizabeth Barraza would have recognized this person by name?

It could be someone she only knew as an acquaintance. If the motive was not recent, it could be someone harboring some resentment from the past. In a case like this, I think doing a very detailed investigation into her past is about the only way to even try to come close to a motive.

What the 2am surveillance of her neighborhood driving around in the Nissan Frontier Pro-4X suggests to me is that this person was very concerned and thinking about this crime well ahead of time. They could have used google maps to scout the streets in the neighborhood if they knew about google maps. Since the murder happened at 6:52am, they might have had little sleep or been up all night thinking about what they were about to do.

About the only sort of clue might be that they appeared tired or changed their routine that morning, but many people can look tired or change their routine for various reasons.

 

[Charlot123]

I just don't want people working with her to be overlooked. The moment it was found her job at the company a a a221222²2w2w2²222222awas regular data entry, I think interest to work plummeted. Her being a clerk doesn't negate the change

BTW, I started answering then went to lunch and put my purse on the phone.
What I want to say, just because Liz was not a super-big person in her huge company doesn’t exclude another data entry clerk hating her.

 

[somequestions]

BTW, I started answering then went to lunch and put my purse on the phone.
What I want to say, just because Liz was not a super-big person in her huge company doesn’t exclude another data entry clerk hating her.

Did any of them own a Nissan Frontier Pro-4X around the time of the murder? If it was someone from work, did any of them take the day off or show up late that day?

 

[arielilane]

Memorial

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Memorial bench honors Liz Barraza, Calls for justice​

 

[spivey]

I will apologize in advance if this obvious to others. Sometimes my ADHD leads me to pick up on things that are already common knowledge.

I've read through the timeline posted by Liz's family dozens of time, but this time I noticed something I hadn't in the past. The timeline states that the killer parked in the school parking at 6:47:50. This is followed by an entry stating that Sergio left for work at 6:48:00. Sergio left for work 10 seconds after the shooter parked in the school parking lot? Even if the times are slightly off, that to me is much more telling than the shooter arriving at the crime scene a few minutes after Sergio went to work.

 

[sunspun]

I will apologize in advance if this obvious to others. Sometimes my ADHD leads me to pick up on things that are already common knowledge.

I've read through the timeline posted by Liz's family dozens of time, but this time I noticed something I hadn't in the past. The timeline states that the killer parked in the school parking at 6:47:50. This is followed by an entry stating that Sergio left for work at 6:48:00. Sergio left for work 10 seconds after the shooter parked in the school parking lot? Even if the times are slightly off, that to me is much more telling than the shooter arriving at the crime scene a few minutes after Sergio went to work.

Especially because we know the shooter parked in the school lot for such a short time. And then abruptly left it. And I do mean short, may have even been a matter of seconds! I forget exactly how long, but what stood out to me was that they left almost exactly when Sergio left home, DESPITE having JUST arrived there! So basically they pulled in to the parking lot... and then left the parking lot. I don't know if they would even have had time to park in a spot.

Some have suggested they may have pulled in, but immediately realized it was not a good place to sit and wait inconspicuously, like maybe they saw there were cameras (not working, but they wouldn't have known that), or maybe the lot was already filling up with parents and students etc, or some other reason. I agree this could explain why they left so soon, and then it would be simply a coincidence that the time coincided so closely with Sergio's departure time... yes, that's possible. But I really don't think so.

I still find it suspicious.

Do we know if Sergio was known to always leave for work at exactly the same time every day or did the time vary at all?

 

[somequestions]

Especially because we know the shooter parked in the school lot for such a short time. And then abruptly left it. And I do mean short, may have even been a matter of seconds! I forget exactly how long, but what stood out to me was that they left almost exactly when Sergio left home, DESPITE having JUST arrived there! So basically they pulled in to the parking lot... and then left the parking lot. I don't know if they would even have had time to park in a spot.

Some have suggested they may have pulled in, but immediately realized it was not a good place to sit and wait inconspicuously, like maybe they saw there were cameras (not working, but they wouldn't have known that), or maybe the lot was already filling up with parents and students etc, or some other reason. I agree this could explain why they left so soon, and then it would be simply a coincidence that the time coincided so closely with Sergio's departure time... yes, that's possible. But I really don't think so.

I still find it suspicious.

Do we know if Sergio was known to always leave for work at exactly the same time every day or did the time vary at all?

I think in this scenario trying to get a picture of what the school lot looks like with activity at 6:47:50 would be the most important. Is it actually a busy parking lot at that time with other people parking there or other vehicles showing up to drop kids off for school or is that what we envision it to be?

I think that actually would have been a great place to wait for Sergio to leave the subdivision, but it would almost be too obvious. There are other ways to leave the subdivision and in order for the murderer to pick parking there they would have to be sure that Sergio takes Princeton Place as his way out of the subdivision to the main road.

How did investigators verify that the Nissan Frontier Pro-4X came into the school parking lot and left it shortly thereafter?

Maybe there was a surveillance camera somewhere? That might be another reason to do this to make it appear that the murderer is not familiar with the subdivision like the way they ended up leaving the subdivision by driving off road at the end of Sandusky Drive. Since this case took place in January 2019, I still find that a little strange that the murderer appears to be so poor with directions in a google maps world where they can look at the routes they need to take without having to drive them.

I do not understand why the murderer did not park a few houses down from the house and watch the Barraza house since it seems obvious they knew the address where the Barraza's lived. Why not wait for Sergio's van to pull out and then once he leaves pull up to the house to get out and commit the murder? Why drive by it looking for Elizabeth Barraza and then have to stop to do a three-point turn in order to turn around and park?

With the garage sale and Elizabeth Barraza being outside when the murder occurred, this case will always have the possibility attached to it that whoever it was that murdered Elizabeth Barraza could be a stranger with a strange motive.

 

[arielilane]

I do not understand why the murderer did not park a few houses down from the house and watch the Barraza house since it seems obvious they knew the address where the Barraza's lived. Why not wait for Sergio's van to pull out and then once he leaves pull up to the house to get out and commit the murder? Why drive by it looking for Elizabeth Barraza and then have to stop to do a three-point turn in order to turn around and park?

With the garage sale and Elizabeth Barraza being outside when the murder occurred, this case will always have the possibility attached to it that whoever it was that murdered Elizabeth Barraza could be a stranger with a strange motive.

rsbm

I dont see why the shooter would want park a few houses down from the house and watch...

I could be wrong but I dont think the shooter wanted to be caught on surveillance camera and many in the neighborhood had cameras. The timing is suspect! I believe that someone (not saying it was SB) advised the shooter the time SB would be leaving that fateful morning so the shooter wouldn’t need to be just sitting around.

In addition, the shooter didnt need to be "looking for Elizabeth Barraza” because most likely shooter previously told she would be out there all alone - by herself and the shooter would have the opportunity to kill Liz. Overkill which shows personal.

A cowardly act gunning down an innocent defenseless woman in her own driveway.

All of this is only an opinion- moo

 

[scruffydog]

rsbm

I dont see why the shooter would want park a few houses down from the house and watch...

I could be wrong but I dont think the shooter wanted to be caught on surveillance camera and many in the neighborhood had cameras. The timing is suspect! I believe that someone (not saying it was SB) advised the shooter the time SB would be leaving that fateful morning so the shooter wouldn’t need to be just sitting around.

In addition, the shooter didnt need to be "looking for Elizabeth Barraza” because most likely shooter previously told she would be out there all alone - by herself and the shooter would have the opportunity to kill Liz. Overkill which shows personal.

A cowardly act gunning down an innocent defenseless woman in her own driveway.

All of this is only an opinion- moo

The only thing I believe is proven by the location and movement of the murderer's vehicle, is that they had never been at EB's house before this incident. I think that the 2 am drive by was to solidify that they knew the location of the house. All of the timing of this crime is crucial-someone was hired, or volunteered-and they were given the address, the time, and the person to extinguish. If this is not connected to family/in laws, I will eat my Easter bonnet.

 

[FromGermany1]

MOO: Father's mistress (one of them, if several) and hit-man. Makes sense to me .....

 

[sunspun]

Do we know that Liz customarily left for work at exactly the same time every day that she worked? Or did that time vary?

I continue to wonder if the shooter even knew there would be a garage sale that day and that Liz was taking the day off from work. I think I'm leaning more to the shooter being totally unaware of the sale and just getting lucky to have found her out in the yard when they pulled up. I guess that would mean they would have expected to have to go to the door of the house or maybe wait for her to come out to get in her car and drive to work... and ambush her before she could leave. But instead, there she was. Even better (for them).

This would all be dependent on whether she always left for work at the same time or not. And whether she always left after Sergio left for work as well.

 

[scruffydog]

Do we know that Liz customarily left for work at exactly the same time every day that she worked? Or did that time vary?

I continue to wonder if the shooter even knew there would be a garage sale that day and that Liz was taking the day off from work. I think I'm leaning more to the shooter being totally unaware of the sale and just getting lucky to have found her out in the yard when they pulled up. I guess that would mean they would have expected to have to go to the door of the house or maybe wait for her to come out to get in her car and drive to work... and ambush her before she could leave. But instead, there she was. Even better (for them).

This would all be dependent on whether she always left for work at the same time or not. And whether she always left after Sergio left for work as well.

I think they were VERY aware..and well informed..