TX TX - Elizabeth Barraza, 29, murdered setting up garage sale, Harris Co, Jan 2019 #7

[Charlot123]

Maybe shooter is someone who worked there or had a child go there. The detectives could look into anyone who worked or had a child go there near the time of the murder who had any connection to Liz. Also, anyone who might have been able to learn about camera through friends or family who had a connection to school.

If you approach a building or even the community with your phone, you see the names of the networks around. You can even see that one of them doesn’t show today (is off). But you need to know the name of the network. So some connection to the school they could have had.

 

[Curiousobserver]

In the Jeffrey Willis case, they had a car dealer confirm the year range, trim level, features, and factory color of the minivan. The Secret Service then had a database of every VIN matching the vehicle description in the surrounding counties. LE checked off each one until they found the perp, who LE would also find out he had killed two other women previously.

The truck is the best lead I know of in this case (LE may have something private). In the case you cite they were able to link Mr. Willis both because they had the make and model and because several other things tied him to the victim: He was a frequent visitor to the store, he owned the type of car witnesses saw, he was seen at the store acting strangely that night, he fit the description of the person witnesses saw, he had an extensive police record, and he didn't show up for work that night.

We have the same level of detail on the truck in this case but we are missing the other linkages. This is the sort of shocking part of the crime; that nobody in her circle knows anybody that owns or has access to a truck like that or can think of someone who wasn't where they were supposed to be that morning, and that LE was not able to do a search to identify someone known-to or with some linkage to Liz or Liz's family.

To me this means that this person is a secret person known only to themselves or one other person.

I think you need to go back to basics. Random people don't stalk you in the middle of the night at your out of the ordinary morning garage sale, walk up and shoot you in the face after you're down, and steal nothing. This was a person who came there to kill her, who was probably aware that she would be alone at some point that morning, and had something to gain that was worth risking life in prison.

 

[barefootpoet]

The truck is the best lead I know of in this case (LE may have something private). In the case you cite they were able to link Mr. Willis both because they had the make and model and because several other things tied him to the victim: He was a frequent visitor to the store, he owned the type of car witnesses saw, he was seen at the store acting strangely that night, he fit the description of the person witnesses saw, he had an extensive police record, and he didn't show up for work that night.

We have the same level of detail on the truck in this case but we are missing the other linkages. This is the sort of shocking part of the crime; that nobody in her circle knows anybody that owns or has access to a truck like that or can think of someone who wasn't where they were supposed to be that morning, and that LE was not able to do a search to identify someone known-to or with some linkage to Liz or Liz's family.

To me this means that this person is a secret person known only to themselves or one other person.

I think you need to go back to basics. Random people don't stalk you in the middle of the night at your out of the ordinary morning garage sale, walk up and shoot you in the face after you're down, and steal nothing. This was a person who came there to kill her, who was probably aware that she would be alone at some point that morning, and had something to gain that was worth risking life in prison.

Very good points. I'm of the least popular theory that this a was tragic case of mistaken identity. The fact the gunman spoke to her, the brazenness of right in front of her home, as well as the high risk of getting caught most definitely, to me at least, appears like a Mob or Cartel hit. This was an execution to send a message. We can be assured that Liz was most certainly NOT involved or had associations in ANY nefarious or criminal people or enterprises. One example; there are people who testify against the mob/cartel and have to end up going into witness protection and could be that someone associated saw Liz and thought she was someone else in that regard.

 

[jenn83]

I think you need to go back to basics. Random people don't stalk you in the middle of the night at your out of the ordinary morning garage sale, walk up and shoot you in the face after you're down, and steal nothing. This was a person who came there to kill her, who was probably aware that she would be alone at some point that morning, and had something to gain that was worth risking life in prison.

Yes, exactly this!!

 

[FromGermany1]

Very good points. I'm of the least popular theory that this a was tragic case of mistaken identity. The fact the gunman spoke to her, the brazenness of right in front of her home, as well as the high risk of getting caught most definitely, to me at least, appears like a Mob or Cartel hit. This was an execution to send a message. We can be assured that Liz was most certainly NOT involved or had associations in ANY nefarious or criminal people or enterprises. One example; there are people who testify against the mob/cartel and have to end up going into witness protection and could be that someone associated saw Liz and thought she was someone else in that regard.

Mistaken identity I can't imagine, but.

ETA: I deleted my further text, sorry.

 

[arielilane]

For those interested, True Crime Unsolved has posted their YT video interview with Liz's friends Marci and Josh.

Marci also created the Liz Library Project.

Links to Press and Media

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whokilledlizbarraza.com

The Liz Library Project

The Liz Library Project was created by her great friend - Marci Shelley. The project places complete sets of the Harry Potter books into children's oncology wards, and other places where they will be of comfort to these in need. Liz would have absolutely have loved this!

Read more here: Liz Library

 

[flowershop]

Very good points. I'm of the least popular theory that this a was tragic case of mistaken identity. The fact the gunman spoke to her, the brazenness of right in front of her home, as well as the high risk of getting caught most definitely, to me at least, appears like a Mob or Cartel hit. This was an execution to send a message. We can be assured that Liz was most certainly NOT involved or had associations in ANY nefarious or criminal people or enterprises. One example; there are people who testify against the mob/cartel and have to end up going into witness protection and could be that someone associated saw Liz and thought she was someone else in that regard.

I am going off your assertion that "this was an execution to send a message".

Could the killing have been a warning to someone close to Liz to not to go further with some endeavour/business deal .. and to show that if such and such happens then someone (even more close) is next?

 

[barefootpoet]

I am going off your assertion that "this was an execution to send a message".

Could the killing have been a warning to someone close to Liz to not to go further with some endeavour/business deal .. and to show that if such and such happens then someone (even more close) is next?

And in the course of the investigation nothing of such has turned up. If someone had such a beef with Liz personally to come and kill her in the front yard of her own home, you'd think that person would be pretty obvious to...... somebody.

 

[flowershop]

And in the course of the investigation nothing of such has turned up. If someone had such a beef with Liz personally to come and kill her in the front yard of her own home, you'd think that person would be pretty obvious to...... somebody.

I am not sure if my post was understood. I am wondering if someone close to Liz Barraza had some sort or trouble with a person or group of persons. And to show that person (who happens to be in Liz' circle) that they mean business, they killed Liz. To threaten that person into silence.

 

[Marzipan]

I am not sure if my post was understood. I am wondering if someone close to Liz Barraza had some sort or trouble with a person or group of persons. And to show that person (who happens to be in Liz' circle) that they mean business, they killed Liz. To threaten that person into silence.

I understood the first time but this is more clearly stated and somehow more convincing as a possibility. No evidence we know of, of course, but I guess I’m starting to imagine this scenario better. Hmm.

 

[Charlot123]

I am not sure if my post was understood. I am wondering if someone close to Liz Barraza had some sort or trouble with a person or group of persons. And to show that person (who happens to be in Liz' circle) that they mean business, they killed Liz. To threaten that person into silence.

It may be something very banal. Just a day ago, unexpectedly, I became a victim of a typical scammer (the owner sets up a company with the name similar to a well-known one, I start typing the known name and by mistake am rerouted to that one, the tickets never come). I immediately dealt with it, of course. But the company had lawsuits in several (five, I think) states and owes money to many clients. The people are so nasty that I wonder if they are vindictive, too. BTW, they are registered in Florida.

What if Liz came across similar scammers and initiated a class action lawsuit, or a fraud lawsuit? We don’t know what the person said to her, but the initial interpretation was “I found you, @@@@@“.

 

[Charlot123]

I am not sure if my post was understood. I am wondering if someone close to Liz Barraza had some sort or trouble with a person or group of persons. And to show that person (who happens to be in Liz' circle) that they mean business, they killed Liz. To threaten that person into silence.

Two things don’t match. Per Liz’s mom, her daughter was very “cautious”. Also, Liz was controlling the flow of money in the house. These two facts might rule out involvement of someone close in nefarious circles. Such circles don’t care who to kill, of course, but Liz would have noticed something unusual going on.

So, IMHO, “can’t be excluded but probably, no”.

On the other hand, someone from old times could have blamed Liz for loss of a business, or something else. You know how it may happen? You need a decent sum “today till tomorrow” because you never foresaw this situation, and the person you ask for help can’t do it on one day. It may happen to all of us, but usually is not dramatic.

Sometimes I think that the anger dates back to old times but the scope of that situation doesn’t match the person’s anger, this is why no one can remember it.

 

[flowershop]

Two things don’t match. Per Liz’s mom, her daughter was very “cautious”. Also, Liz was controlling the flow of money in the house. These two facts might rule out involvement of someone close in nefarious circles. Such circles don’t care who to kill, of course, but Liz would have noticed something unusual going on.

So, IMHO, “can’t be excluded but probably, no”.

On the other hand, someone from old times could have blamed Liz for loss of a business, or something else. You know how it may happen? You need a decent sum “today till tomorrow” because you never foresaw this situation, and the person you ask for help can’t do it on one day. It may happen to all of us, but usually is not dramatic.

Sometimes I think that the anger dates back to old times but the scope of that situation doesn’t match the person’s anger, this is why no one can remember it.

So if I follow your reasoning, Liz would have known if someone in her circle was involved with some shady people?

Hypothetically, let's say a family member (or in law) owed someone a large sum of money. Liz would not necessarily know about that problem unless they told her. The family member is then threatened and told that if they do not pay up that so-and-so dies first..then so-and-so (who is even closer to the family member). I see a scenario where someone couls be in hot water but not have shared that info with Liz.

Thanks for considering it at least.

 

[Charlot123]

So if I follow your reasoning, Liz would have known if someone in her circle was involved with some shady people?

Hypothetically, let's say a family member (or in law) owed someone a large sum of money. Liz would not necessarily know about that problem unless they told her. The family member is then threatened and told that if they do not pay up that so-and-so dies first..then so-and-so (who is even closer to the family member). I see a scenario where someone couls be in hot water but not have shared that info with Liz.

Thanks for considering it at least.

This could happen. Is it how “shady groups” act, though?

They could “help” the survivors obtain the money for payment; from life insurance or such. But in general, they are interested in the money being returned, right? Unless they know about life insurance, they are risking…involving LE and still not getting their money!

 

[flowershop]

This could happen. Is it how “shady groups” act, though?

They could “help” the survivors obtain the money for payment; from life insurance or such. But in general, they are interested in the money being returned, right? Unless they know about life insurance, they are risking…involving LE and still not getting their money!

I would only think cartels and mafia would carry things out in the manner I am describing.

Yes, if this was about money the main goal would be to get money paid back. If the target earned money under the table, LE would not know if and when the debt was paid.

 

[Charlot123]

I would only think cartels and mafia would carry things out in the manner I am describing.

Yes, if this was about money the main goal would be to get money paid back. If the target earned money under the table, LE would not know if and when the debt was paid.

Under the table or not, the money is spent on something. Let us say…marriage and a new house is costly.

Now, it could be a different person in the family that was the “target” but then, they may not really care about someone who is not the closest one.

I am happy to review any possibility, but there should be some logic. If they threaten someone by killing the closest person, then the target, scared, would pull any money, from anyone, to pay back. The target’s quality of life will be down for a while.

Do we see it?

 

[Trebor5591]

I am not sure if my post was understood. I am wondering if someone close to Liz Barraza had some sort or trouble with a person or group of persons. And to show that person (who happens to be in Liz' circle) that they mean business, they killed Liz. To threaten that person into silence.

Murdering an innocent in broad daylight in thier own front yard is a pretty high risk operation. Taking such a risk, in order to send a message to someone else, is not a very likely reason, in my opinion.

 

[Charlot123]

Murdering an innocent in broad daylight in thier own front yard is a pretty high risk operation. Taking such a risk, in order to send a message to someone else, is not a very likely reason, in my opinion.

JMO: it can happen, but only if the person involved with the “mafia” is “very close” to the victim.

Why I think this version is not true: the target is the source of money, and doesn’t wish anyone to be killed. The murder of Liz is for scare, according to the idea. The true “money target” is not involved, but is to get scared.

However, the murder doesn’t appear like it. In fact, it seems like there is a source of information close to Liz. And, several things converged on Liz during that morning.

First, this yard sale, be it spontaneous or not. Poorly advertised, it seems, but the killers knew about it.

They knew that the Goddard school’s security and wi-fI were down.

They seemed to know that Sergio would be at work. Their timing is excellent.

Liz’s father was supposed to be with her but changed his mind to look for a new job later. They seemed to be aware of it.

They knew enough not to get on the nest camera.

I always wonder if some neighbors could be involved because someone very close had to know a lot, you know. Except for the killers were not great with directions (or maybe they were and just pretended?)

This doesn’t look like “threatening someone close, financially, and killing Liz, to prove their seriousness”.

This looks like, “the killers have an excellent source of information and this source may have no clue”.

I am just thinking that if the most obvious source of information can not be proven to be involved… he may not be, after all.

It could be someone else, very loving and invested, who may, totally unbeknownst to themselves, serve as the source of the information to someone close that they trust.

Liz was not the only child. Someone’s close friend? Was Sergio the only child? If not, what about someone close to his sibling?

It might be Christine Jessop’s version, after all. Someone who happens to be close to either Sergio’s side or Liz’ side during these days and whom everyone trusts.

 

[FromGermany1]

This doesn’t look like “threatening someone close, financially, and killing Liz, to prove their seriousness”.

This looks like, “the killers have an excellent source of information and this source may have no clue”.

bbm

I don't know, if I believe, the source had no clues, but that bbm is, what may be true.

 

[Charlot123]

bbm

I don't know, if I believe, the source had no clues, but that bbm is, what may be true.

It is 50/50. Either the source had all the clues, but it is impossible to prove, or the source that we have not considered was, and is, clueless that the information was provided. The latter would be Christine Jessop’s’ case.

I would be interested in how the killers avoided any Wi-Fi /GPS contacts. Who could be aware of everything that people close to Liz knew but also, that the Goddard school would have no inet that night?