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It just makes me focus on the fact that Sergio quit working for his dad after Liz was murdered. Do you know when he started his new job?
TX TX - Elizabeth Barraza, 29, murdered setting up garage sale, Harris Co, Jan 2019 #7
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They probably finally admitted that they really never used it, and treadmills do take up a lot of space. And if it sold at the garage sale, it might have been one of their highest ticket items, nice change to add to their trip pocket money.
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My thoughts are rather: Who would have helped to carry the treadmill onto/into a car, when someone had bought the thing? The purchase would have been spontaneous, since nobody knew about the offer at the garage sale. And then? How would it have been transported? For this reason Idk, if I had offered it at the garage sale or better via Fb., so that a buyer could have prepared themself ie. with a brought-along helper and also the right vehicle.
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Getting rid of ours was so long ago that I don't remember the details. I will say that the handlebars (upright part with the display) probably either folded up or came off separate from the treadmill itself. We gave ours to my husband's niece. She transported it in a vehicle, probably a truck. And yes, you'd need more than one person to carry it.
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On “whokilledlizbarraza” there is some information about the sale. “ Other than a few signs, set up in the neighborhood the garage sale was not advertised on her social media.” Assuming that a neighborhood FB was not aware? Except for the situation when Liz or Sergio agreed that one of their friends would come with a sturdy wagon and pick it up?
These days lots of things are arranged via FB. So her website, her parents, saying that it was not the case, is very important IMHO.
On the other hand, if it is an agreement with the friends, to come, buy and pick it up, you’d think that the friend would get into the garage, right?
Unless it was a friend known only to Sergio and not to Liz? Because she was careful, cautious and aware?
On “whokilledlizbarraza” there is some information about the sale. “ Other than a few signs, set up in the neighborhood the garage sale was not advertised on her social media.” Assuming that a neighborhood FB was not aware? Except for the situation when Liz or Sergio agreed that one of their friends would come with a sturdy wagon and pick it up?
These days lots of things are arranged via FB. So her website, her parents, saying that it was not the case, is very important IMHO.
On the other hand, if it is an agreement with the friends, to come, buy and pick it up, you’d think that the friend would get into the garage, right?
Unless it was a friend known only to Sergio and not to Liz? Because she was careful, cautious and aware?
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Can I recommend “A bench for Liz” by “Eye on Crime” on YouTube. Not that there is much new but she puts it all in a good perspective.
Now: I am still 50/50 in terms of “SB is involved/is not involved”. Lots of his statements invite questions, but if tomorrow they arrest someone else, I won’t be surprised at all.
If SB is not involved, I think that the person who killed Liz was not out of Liz/SB’s circle at the time of 501. In fact, in this case I’d suspect that the person is unconnected to SB. It still might be that the time SN had left that day, the treadmill, all may be a string of odd flukes.
I looked at the video of the shooting again and - at the point when the person comes up to Liz, slightly leans and delivers the “control shot”, he looks like a man. And not a heavy one, either. Flexible. There are some female mannerisms, or maybe it is due to the clothes, but even the width of the steps when running resembles a guy.
I wonder if anyone can extrapolate the height of the body basing on the steps? The person doesn’t look “of Liz’ height” when they are running away. Taller. We were never told about the height, either.
Would anyone think that it is a man who is not unused to wearing a drag? (Not hinting at sexuality at all. More likely, professional or amateur theater or such).
One wonders if in college/HS Liz or Sergio were involved in theater? Not cosplay, just regular plays or musicals.
Now: I am still 50/50 in terms of “SB is involved/is not involved”. Lots of his statements invite questions, but if tomorrow they arrest someone else, I won’t be surprised at all.
If SB is not involved, I think that the person who killed Liz was not out of Liz/SB’s circle at the time of 501. In fact, in this case I’d suspect that the person is unconnected to SB. It still might be that the time SN had left that day, the treadmill, all may be a string of odd flukes.
I looked at the video of the shooting again and - at the point when the person comes up to Liz, slightly leans and delivers the “control shot”, he looks like a man. And not a heavy one, either. Flexible. There are some female mannerisms, or maybe it is due to the clothes, but even the width of the steps when running resembles a guy.
I wonder if anyone can extrapolate the height of the body basing on the steps? The person doesn’t look “of Liz’ height” when they are running away. Taller. We were never told about the height, either.
Would anyone think that it is a man who is not unused to wearing a drag? (Not hinting at sexuality at all. More likely, professional or amateur theater or such).
One wonders if in college/HS Liz or Sergio were involved in theater? Not cosplay, just regular plays or musicals.
When I talk about the treadmill, how did Liz's family get it? perhaps it was a thing you had to assemble? in that case, it would've been easier to take it apart, put in a box and ship it to the buyer. why meet in person. because it would be difficult for the buyer to get it home in one piece, because, as you said, it would be quite the ordeal. especially considering the fact that cars weren't all that big during 2019.
Then, when I previously mentioned the nest camera, I believe it was a doorbell one? (not too sure), but anyways, many people noticed that the camera seemed to be aimed a lot to the left, covering the right part. perhaps this was moved by the killer? because if the killer was close to them, then they would know about the camera, and know what to do.
My personal suspects (not in the 'of interest' group) are: FIL (father in law), one of Sergio's friends, perhaps if Sergio had an ex-lover who was madly obsessed with him, like, they would kill for him, someone else in Sergio's family or one of Liz's friends.
I didn't mention sergio in the main suspects, I put him as a person of interest, seeing as people depicted their relationship as a strong, stable, loving couple. This means, while Sergio COULD be help accountable, he was outraged at the idea of Liz's death, so he is far less likely as a main suspect.
Overall, I feel that the evidence could be there, but people just push it aside and regard it as something non-important.
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On the treadmill, in neighborhoods where I have lived, a buyer would have paid and then returned later with the appropriate vehicle and help to load it. Since this sale was local and not promoted beyond the immediate area or in advance, I think this would be the most likely scenario.
On the *placement* of the treadmill, did anyone besides Liz and Sergio help setup the garage before that morning?
On the *placement* of the treadmill, did anyone besides Liz and Sergio help setup the garage before that morning?
after reading this message, I feel you could be on to something. I mean, I'm not from Texas, I'm actually from London, so I don't know what its like there, but what I do know is that the case needs more of a creative mindset instead of a very stick-to-the-rules way of thinking. I believe that Liz would have certainly helped set up the garage, but I don't know to much about Sergio's whereabouts.
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The sale itself is slightly off. WA stopped holding yard sales, most things are simply donated, but if people hold yard sales, they’d advertise them as “estate sales” for the turnout. Not a last-minute, small sale.
Of course, if FIL’s checks bounced, it would cause a shortage of money and the last-moment garage sale. (And btw, we don’t know if FIL was aware of the garage sale, but imagine an unpleasant conversation between Liz and OB where she said that they were so short of money now that they had to organize a garage sale to make ends meet.) This could explain the reason for a “niche” sale and OB knowing about it.
Now, OB’s useless spending could hint at mood issues, impulsivity and stupid choices.
If so, I am tempted to ask if all people in Barraza’s household have been accounted for. Impulsive womanizers like OB, can easily have kids on the side. Such kid may be of around SB’s age or younger, quite possibly of mixed ethnicity, impulsive like dad and gullible. We were discussing OB’s connection with “shady people”, but what if it was “in the family”? I am mentioning it because such people can easily be missed in the total equation.
when you mention OB's shady connections, and the useless spending could also be a lead. Mood issues, impulsivity and stupid choice are all things that could lead to murder. What I though you mentioned that was most eye-catching was about how it was an unpleasant conversation.
The reason I'm bringing to light the idea of an unpleasant conversation isn't because 'oh they hated each other so OB killed her', because that sounds ridiculous. and also, Liz's family don't talk about them as deadly enemies or anything that could give ny obvious reason.
the theory I'm now creating in my vision (this is just a THEORY) is a bit more different than this.
Does anyone remember the whole 'Mr. Prada' incident? he killed because of overwhelming pressure and various inner turmoil things. what if the potential 'unpleasant conversation' between Liz and OB could have made OB like the 'Mr. Prada' of TX. this is just me linking cases, so please don't trust me totally on this because it's just one situation.
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Can someone point the way to posts that discuss OB's history? Id like to read up.
I dont know much about him and his history but I do know from my past professional work that oftentimes when a family member is "off the rails" with repugnant behaviors, other family members either put their heads down and go quietly submissive or distance themselves. Confronting such a self-involved person who is used to abusing ppl who don't fight back can arouse impulsive retribution actions. Pointing out their faults can sometimes be deadly.
I dont know much about him and his history but I do know from my past professional work that oftentimes when a family member is "off the rails" with repugnant behaviors, other family members either put their heads down and go quietly submissive or distance themselves. Confronting such a self-involved person who is used to abusing ppl who don't fight back can arouse impulsive retribution actions. Pointing out their faults can sometimes be deadly.
SB stated in a video that he helped Liz set up the heavier items, table and treadmill. No one else assisted with set up that morning, is my understanding.
The placement of the treadmill is very interesting to me, always has been.
The treadmill appears to be inexpensive, possibly a space-saving one, definitely not easy to move on your own, but not a sufficient treadmill ... in my opinion.
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Interestingly, he said that people from Liz work knew about the sale, Liz’s parents and his mom. He didn’t mention his dad or 501.
Hello! I'm just saying having mentioned how SB's family didn't know, but even Liz' work friends did is rather curious to me. I mean, why wouldn't SB tell his family. I may just be being a little too picky about that, but here me out, while they didn't have to know everything, why couldn't they? I mean, couldn't SB just say "oh yeah, by the way me and Liz are doing a garage sale, if you want to come." There's surely no harm in saying that, Unless I of course missed something?
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I think they said Sergio did tell his mom, he just didn't mention his dad being told. I think Sergio's parents were living together in the same house, so I think it's reasonable to assume his dad may have known about it.
But also, maybe even more so, the reason he probably knew about it, imo, is that when Sergio left his own home that morning to go to work, after helping Liz set up the sale, he drove straight to his father! Because he was meeting his father and a work crew at Lowe's, I believe, before they all were supposed to go off together to a job.
That didn't happen, of course, not for Sergio anyway, because he received the alerts on his phone from his home security system, that gave him cause to run right back home to see if Liz was ok.
But anyway, so I think SB's dad would've known about the sale. But possibly not.
People from the 501 I thought would've known about it because Liz was selling some things from that hobby that she shared with them, that they might be interested in buying. But that's just my speculation.
And finally, yes, Sergio did say people from Liz's work knew about it, because Liz was actually taking a day off from work that day just to have the garage sale! So I think it's inevitable they knew about it.
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Honestly, I assumed more people did, given that Liz was pretty social. But you know how Sergio talks? Very quietly and slowly. And he said, word by word, that the people who knew about the sale were themselves, people from Liz’s work, Liz’s parents and his mom. Then he proceeded to talk about where and when they put up the ads. Here:
14:21 - he mentions exactly who knew about the garage sale. You can read via the transcript.
There were a couple of things that remain unclear to me in the interview:
6:50 - (when the nest alarm is called on his phone because the police broke the house door) “I told my coworkers, I told my father, I have to go” (they were just setting up for work, he said). Then he calls Rosemary and Bob who also get an alarm with the Nest settings - and they don’t know either, they are driving.
8:34 (he is driving and reviewing the Nest, sees the police tape). “And the first person I called was my dad”. Now, dad is at work, Sergio just left and is driving home, so do Rosemary and Bob. It is a little bit odd to call dad who stayed behind and surely can’t tell more than Sergio has just seen.
So it might be a comfort call in the moment of panic. No one behaves logically in a crisis. Sergio’s behavior is fear-driven; he is afraid to hear bad news. Also, because I used to call my dad with virtually everything - to me this call indicates how close SB and OB were when Liz was killed. It means, super close, right? You call your helper, your sound piece, your source of strength.
Very strange that a couple of years later, you can so easily throw the same person under the bus. With full speed, and OB is not yet accused in any way. He is just in the group that hasn’t been cleared, right?
But it is full speed, because all that we know about OB, the philanderer, the checks that bounced, has only one source. The Nuelles never discussed it. Det. Richie is very professional. Sergio has effectively sunk dad’s reputation.
The same dad that he called on his way to the horror scene two or three years ago. (After the checks bounced, and after SB was likely aware of his infidelities. But, Dad is dad). And if you later start suspecting that your father was somehow involved, it should totally crush you, right? But does it look so?
Unless Sergio belongs to the type of people who, when their main attachment changes (and he was already with Amber two years later, so life focus shifted), throw old attachments that are now unnecessary out of the window? Out of sight, out of mind. And btw, I seriously suspect that SB has this trait. When he works for the dad, they are emotionally close. Once he becomes independent, has another job, another family and life, he stops talking with dad and tells the whole world his dad’s story.
Well, Dad’s behavior might deserve it. Perhaps SB was not happy with dad but his work depended on dad so he had to clench his teeth and be nice to him. But that call, “Dad, something happened to Liz”, indicates emotional closeness.
Also: in the very beginning of the interview, I paid attention that when L and S first met at Sam Houston, for a year they were just friends.
Did they both date different people? Was one of them not free? Could someone “dropped for either Liz or Sergio” bear a grudge? Were these people checked?
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He didn't tell his father of all people? That doesn't make much sense, IMO, but his mom might have told her husband in any case.SB told only his mom about the garage sale, but when there is an alarm and police tape, he called his dad.
Police is something, which is not his mother's responsibility, it seems. Is that an usual thing to have the alarm connected to parents? How should they help? Call the police??
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SB told only his mom about the garage sale, but when there is an alarm and police tape, he called his dad.
I think it was their Nest setting; they identified Rosemary and Bob as the closest people, so in case of an emergency, not only the police, but the closest people would get notified, too. Rosemary and Bob got the alarm, called Liz, got no answer, so they drove to her house.
BTW, lots of Sergio's actions can be explained by simple fear and panic. They don't necessarily look suspicious. He delays the moment to get any bad news. Same with the hospital- he might have been simply scared to see Liz in such condition; many men are not brave, sadly.
But, we all know whom we call when something happens. We call our best source of strength. So, Dad in his case.
However: I strongly wonder if Sergio has this opportunistic trait, to cross people out of his life, even the closest ones, when his life paradigm changes. This is why it is important for me to know about Sergio's own fidelity to Liz. If he was faithful to her till she was killed, I'd err on the side of his innocence.
Also, if he is the person who can easily drop someone very close - what if he too rapidly parted ways with someone when he was at Sam Houston, for Liz? This person could have become very angry and we know too many cases of misplaced anger.
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