TX TX - Elizabeth Barraza, 29, murdered setting up garage sale, Harris Co, Jan 2019 #7

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Honestly, I assumed more people did, given that Liz was pretty social. But you know how Sergio talks? Very quietly and slowly. And he said, word by word, that the people who knew about the sale were themselves, people from Liz’s work, Liz’s parents and his mom. Then he proceeded to talk about where and when they put up the ads. Here:


14:21 - he mentions exactly who knew about the garage sale. You can read via the transcript.

There were a couple of things that remain unclear to me in the interview:

6:50 - (when the nest alarm is called on his phone because the police broke the house door) “I told my coworkers, I told my father, I have to go” (they were just setting up for work, he said). Then he calls Rosemary and Bob who also get an alarm with the Nest settings - and they don’t know either, they are driving.

8:34 (he is driving and reviewing the Nest, sees the police tape). “And the first person I called was my dad”. Now, dad is at work, Sergio just left and is driving home, so do Rosemary and Bob. It is a little bit odd to call dad who stayed behind and surely can’t tell more than Sergio has just seen.

So it might be a comfort call in the moment of panic. No one behaves logically in a crisis. Sergio’s behavior is fear-driven; he is afraid to hear bad news. Also, because I used to call my dad with virtually everything - to me this call indicates how close SB and OB were when Liz was killed. It means, super close, right? You call your helper, your sound piece, your source of strength.

Very strange that a couple of years later, you can so easily throw the same person under the bus. With full speed, and OB is not yet accused in any way. He is just in the group that hasn’t been cleared, right?

But it is full speed, because all that we know about OB, the philanderer, the checks that bounced, has only one source. The Nuelles never discussed it. Det. Richie is very professional. Sergio has effectively sunk dad’s reputation.

The same dad that he called on his way to the horror scene two or three years ago. (After the checks bounced, and after SB was likely aware of his infidelities. But, Dad is dad). And if you later start suspecting that your father was somehow involved, it should totally crush you, right? But does it look so?

Unless Sergio belongs to the type of people who, when their main attachment changes (and he was already with Amber two years later, so life focus shifted), throw old attachments that are now unnecessary out of the window? Out of sight, out of mind. And btw, I seriously suspect that SB has this trait. When he works for the dad, they are emotionally close. Once he becomes independent, has another job, another family and life, he stops talking with dad and tells the whole world his dad’s story.

Well, Dad’s behavior might deserve it. Perhaps SB was not happy with dad but his work depended on dad so he had to clench his teeth and be nice to him. But that call, “Dad, something happened to Liz”, indicates emotional closeness.

Also: in the very beginning of the interview, I paid attention that when L and S first met at Sam Houston, for a year they were just friends.

Did they both date different people? Was one of them not free? Could someone “dropped for either Liz or Sergio” bear a grudge? Were these people checked?
It makes me think that he was close with his dad before the murder, as you said he might have been, but then something happened some time in the couple of years before he's interviewed and reveals he suspects his dad, and also reveals other things about his dad that his dad probably would rather not be made public, e.g., infidelities and financial trouble.

And what it sounds to me might have happened was that he found out his dad was involved or he learned something that gave him reason to seriously suspect that.

If he had learned he was involved or even suspected he was, that would naturally put a damper on his close relationship with his dad, wouldn't it?

You asked, "And if you later start suspecting that your father was somehow involved, it should totally crush you, right? But does it look so?"

I would answer yes, it should crush you, and yes, to me it does look like that. Why else would he say all the bad things he had to say about his dad publicly for all to hear? Sounds like he was angry at him. For something. That would be my number one guess why he was so angry at his father a couple years after her unsolved murder.
 
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It makes me think that he was close with his dad before the murder, as you said he might have been, but then something happened some time in the couple of years before he's interviewed and reveals he suspects his dad, and also reveals other things about his dad that his dad probably would rather not be made public, e.g., infidelities and financial trouble.

And what it sounds to me might have happened was that he found out his dad was involved or he learned something that gave him reason to seriously suspect that.

If he had learned he was involved or even suspected he was, that would naturally put a damper on his close relationship with his dad, wouldn't it?

You asked, "And if you later start suspecting that your father was somehow involved, it should totally crush you, right? But does it look so?"

I would answer yes, it should crush you, and yes, to me it does look like that. Why else would he say all the bad things he had to say about his dad publicly for all to hear? Sounds like he was angry at him. For something. That would be my number one guess why he was so angry at his father a couple years after her unsolved murder.
Maybe, he got another job because of his suspicions, so that the same problem (bounced checks and all the consequences incl. family trouble) wouldn't happen again with his second wife. MOO
 
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Approaching the seven year mark of Liz's murder. Posting partial timeline, full timeline at link.




  • 01/24/2019 = Thursday
  • Evening Liz and Sergio discuss the Garage Sale setup - Friday 01/25 and Saturday 01/26.
  • Evening Sergio and Liz place garage sale signs in the neighborhood announcing the garage sale running from Friday 1/25 through
    Saturday 01/26.
  • 01/25/2019 = Friday (Modified 09/14/2025)
  • Early Morning [Approximately 02:00 AM] Black Nissan Frontier observed on neighborhood cameras driving within sight of Liz’s house.
  • Early Morning [06:08:15 AM] Liz drives to the local Starbucks to get a coffee.
  • Early Morning [06:16:05 AM] Liz arrives home to begin setting up for Garage Sale (VIDEO).
  • Early Morning [06:17:00 - 6:47:00 AM] Liz and Sergio start arranging items outside on the driveway.
  • Early Morning [06:47:50 AM] The Nissan Frontier arrives and pulls into the neighborhood Princeton Place Drive from Kuykendahl Road and then drives into the Goddard School parking lot.
  • Early Morning [06:48:00 AM] The Nissan Frontier leaves the Goddard School parking lot to conceal on a different street.
  • Early Morning [06:48:00 AM] Sergio leaves the property to go to work, in a white panel van.
  • Early Morning [06:51:40 AM] The Nissan Frontier comes back into view and heads towards the Barraza home.
  • Early Morning [06:52:12 AM] The murderer does a 3-point turn on Cedar Walk, parks behind Liz’s car, and then exits walking towards the driveway where Liz is still setting up.
 
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In my opinion, the whole nest camera thing adds a LOT of questions. The placement of it means it must be someone who was close to the family, or, worse, a stalker. you see, I feel stalking would be an explanation for it, but the questions surrounding FIL are just as convincing. after all, why didn't sergio tell his dad, because he told his mom, but, when he told his mom, why didn't she tell FIL. It also feels like we're glossing over OB and their history. this feels odd, how we're ignoring them. I didn't think we have enough info on OB at the moment. unless it's intentional? but in my opinion, every question and querey helps
 
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I found this thread on page three of the cold case thread. Not having it. Not today!

On January 25, 2028, Liz Barraza was shot in her driveway while setting up for a garage sale. Someone else besides the killer knows the identity of the cowardly killer that executed Liz. In addition, this someone and the killer have additional info that they are privy to only. Speak up, and be a better person for doing so.

The community needs justice.

Check out Liz Barraza's parents' site:

https://whokilledlizbarraza.com
 
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I found this thread on page three of the cold case thread. Not having it. Not today!

On January 25, 2028, Liz Barraza was shot in her driveway while setting up for a garage sale. Someone else besides the killer knows the identity of the cowardly killer that executed Liz. In addition, this someone and the killer have additional info that they are privy to only. Speak up, and be a better person for doing so.

The community needs justice.

Check out Liz Barraza's parents' site:

https://whokilledlizbarraza.com
Good looking out @arielilane . Here are a couple of videos from the photo gallery of whokilledlizbarraza.com , just in case some have not heard Liz's voice before. I think of Liz very, very often and hers is the case I have spent the most time on. I really really hope something is coming down the pipeline, so that the person who took Liz's life is held responsible.


 
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To anyone who asked us, Bob Nuelle Jr is Liz's father and his podcast is approved.
 
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Reposting video.

It's extremely sad that the Nuelles spend another holiday w/o Liz.


Giving Tuesday Robert Nuelle​

 
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I am 50% that it was planned by a person who enjoys killing. He is vindictive, but the feeling maybe be coming from pre-Sergio's time. He either stalked her, or has a connection to someone Liz knows. In this case, letting Sergio go means that in his mind, Sergio does not deserve "punishment".

And 50%, the person is from Sergio's circle.

The "customer" must have looked convincing to Liz who was standing alone in the dusk. If she were scared, immediately running to the house would at least drag them out into the Nest area. (Or, he'd risk missing with the shots). I see a person, sloppily dressed in a houserobe with long hair. But to her, that person looked non-threatening. So it is not "a man in a wig, holding an old guy's mask". It is someone that passed her radar in the morning, cosplay or not.

What situation would be reassuring? For most - a car driven by a mom who sends her teenager to quickly ask if the person is selling 《this》. (Written on a paper). A teenager can afford more flexibility in looks, sound raspy (flu) and won't immediately drive anyone back into the house. Liz used to perform in hospitals, children and teenagers were her group.

Also: Liz appears to bend forward (to read?) - was she not wearing eyeglasses? She is in eyeglasses on most photos - did she wear them that morning?

So I wonder if there were indeed two people in a car, that the situation was looking normally to Liz (a mom stopping on their way to school and sending her kid to briefly check on a sale, as opposed to "a man in a wig holding a mask"). The first customer is someone you could expect to see in the morning on your street. The person could also be a young adult, of a "travesti theater-type" (not gender, role-wise; smaller and younger looking). I just think that they would have looked reassuring to everyone, even to the police should they have stopped them.
 
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I am 50% that it was planned by a person who enjoys killing. He is vindictive, but the feeling maybe be coming from pre-Sergio's time. He either stalked her, or has a connection to someone Liz knows. In this case, letting Sergio go means that in his mind, Sergio does not deserve "punishment".

And 50%, the person is from Sergio's circle.

The "customer" must have looked convincing to Liz who was standing alone in the dusk. If she were scared, immediately running to the house would at least drag them out into the Nest area. (Or, he'd risk missing with the shots). I see a person, sloppily dressed in a houserobe with long hair. But to her, that person looked non-threatening. So it is not "a man in a wig, holding an old guy's mask". It is someone that passed her radar in the morning, cosplay or not.

What situation would be reassuring? For most - a car driven by a mom who sends her teenager to quickly ask if the person is selling 《this》. (Written on a paper). A teenager can afford more flexibility in looks, sound raspy (flu) and won't immediately drive anyone back into the house. Liz used to perform in hospitals, children and teenagers were her group.

Also: Liz appears to bend forward (to read?) - was she not wearing eyeglasses? She is in eyeglasses on most photos - did she wear them that morning?

So I wonder if there were indeed two people in a car, that the situation was looking normally to Liz (a mom stopping on their way to school and sending her kid to briefly check on a sale, as opposed to "a man in a wig holding a mask"). The first customer is someone you could expect to see in the morning on your street. The person could also be a young adult, of a "travesti theater-type" (not gender, role-wise; smaller and younger looking). I just think that they would have looked reassuring to everyone, even to the police should they have stopped them.
(Handsome or wearing make-up) man with a wig - yes, I think so, could be.
Man with a mask - no, I don't believe, because it would be too much.
In his twenties or in his thirties - I can't say.
MOO

It is someone that passed her radar in the morning, cosplay or not. - I agree.

Was Liz able at all to recognize a possible driver in the car or how was the angle, where the car parked?
Wasn't it much too early for a mother to take her child to school (allegedly)?
 
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(Handsome or wearing make-up) man with a wig - yes, I think so, could be.
Man with a mask - no, I don't believe, because it would be too much.
In his twenties or in his thirties - I can't say.
MOO

It is someone that passed her radar in the morning, cosplay or not. - I agree.

Was Liz able at all to recognize a possible driver in the car or how was the angle, where the car parked?
Wasn't it much too early for a mother to take her child to school (allegedly)?

(Handsome or wearing makeup men in wigs are instantly calming to women, but I wonder if it was more mundane).

Answering to the last question - IMHO, it was not early for either middle or HS. Depends on the mom, but schools don’t want the kids to accumulate “tardies”. I am not sure there was “a mom”, probably just a calming setup: “mom is asking if you have “this”” (shows a piece of paper).

I think that the windows of the cars were frosted, but what if in the dusk, the person comes out of the car and says, mom sent me? If the back window was frosted, she probably believed the person. Not sure that she could see inside the car.

About the age - I would guess, the person was about Liz’s age, +/- 3-4 years, so 22-32, but I wonder if the person was of a “travesti” (sic!) type and built. It simply means, a smallish, flexible person, equally fit for male or female roles, of either gender. The famous actress Sarah Bernhardt was a travesti-type. Same for Charlotte Rampling. It is mostly how young they look. So a 25-year-old may be looking fifteen from afar and only closer, you notice that the person is of your age. I wonder if it was something similar here.

On a totally different note: the sole fact that Liz was left alone in the dusk does not looks good for Sergio.

We can see how devoted Liz’s father is to Liz. He must have had a very valid reason not to come to her house that morning. Probably, had a job interview. So I keep on wondering if her dad was reassured by Sergio, who, after all, had a more flexible schedule. “I’ll take care of her in the morning”, or something else. Liz felt reassured that morning.

However, I am still only 50% sure it was linked to Sergio. The attacker made several mistakes that made me wonder if they didn’t know the area too well. How come their timing was good is another factor, but maybe they were stalking Liz for a longer time? JMO.
 
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(Handsome or wearing makeup men in wigs are instantly calming to women, but I wonder if it was more mundane).

Answering to the last question - IMHO, it was not early for either middle or HS. Depends on the mom, but schools don’t want the kids to accumulate “tardies”. I am not sure there was “a mom”, probably just a calming setup: “mom is asking if you have “this”” (shows a piece of paper).

I think that the windows of the cars were frosted, but what if in the dusk, the person comes out of the car and says, mom sent me? If the back window was frosted, she probably believed the person. Not sure that she could see inside the car.

About the age - I would guess, the person was about Liz’s age, +/- 3-4 years, so 22-32, but I wonder if the person was of a “travesti” (sic!) type and built. It simply means, a smallish, flexible person, equally fit for male or female roles, of either gender. The famous actress Sarah Bernhardt was a travesti-type. Same for Charlotte Rampling. It is mostly how young they look. So a 25-year-old may be looking fifteen from afar and only closer, you notice that the person is of your age. I wonder if it was something similar here.

On a totally different note: the sole fact that Liz was left alone in the dusk does not looks good for Sergio.

We can see how devoted Liz’s father is to Liz. He must have had a very valid reason not to come to her house that morning. Probably, had a job interview. So I keep on wondering if her dad was reassured by Sergio, who, after all, had a more flexible schedule. “I’ll take care of her in the morning”, or something else. Liz felt reassured that morning.

However, I am still only 50% sure it was linked to Sergio. The attacker made several mistakes that made me wonder if they didn’t know the area too well. How come their timing was good is another factor, but maybe they were stalking Liz for a longer time? JMO.
bbm

IF the person had stalked Liz, then certainly s/he wasn't from a different federal state, IMO.
 
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The person could also be a young adult, of a "travesti theater-type" (not gender, role-wise; smaller and younger looking). I just think that they would have looked reassuring to everyone, even to the police should they have stopped them.
Though for me a cosplay based motive is increasingly becoming a 'black hole' due to lack of fruit, your possibility of the murderer being theater oriented brings back memories of a cosplay group from my college days.

The group was centered on the Society for Creative Anachronism and featured far more liberal costume rules than the 501 Legion. Participants mixed historical medieval / renaissance clothing and gear with Lord of the Rings fantasy and a smaller touch of Dune type science fiction stuff.

More importantly, they would wear partial costumes around campus. They did not blur reality and fantasy. Rather they just spent a lot of time making the costumes, liked dressing out, and liked showing their creativity to other counter cultural types.

Getting to the point.... perhaps the perpetrator was in partial costume from either a cosplay group, or from a theater group? In the Liz's world, a variety counter cultural type people are fairly common.

Thus, the unusual dress does not phase her as the person approaches? Likewise, a possible distractor question of say "Are you selling elfin traveler's cloaks?" does not bring a curt "WTF? Uhmm... no! ?" look / response from Liz. Rather, she leans in closer to see what the person is showing her just out of curiosity....
 
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bbm

IF the person had stalked Liz, then certainly s/he wasn't from a different federal state, IMO.

Stalking doesn't mean, daily. (Example: Bryan Kohberger has been allegedly stalking the four victims in Idaho. There are 13 miles between Pulman, WA and Moscow, Idaho.)

With Texas: we drove from New Orleans, Louisiana to Houston, TX and it was a tad over 5 hours, but very easy.

My feeling would be that someone has relatives or friends in Texas. Alternatively, working/studying/interning in Houston but it is less convenient.

It just came to my mind that to disappear on the roads around Houston, it may be even easier to cross the border to Mexico, say, to Monterrey, and then to return back, via another entry point, in New Mexico or Arizona, for example. (The car is probably searched for in Texas during the first few days. Richie said they warned the local areas).
 

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