TX - Former Dallas Police Officer Amber Guyger, indicted for Murder of Botham Shem Jean #4

[Handsome Sailor]

I believe the officer's story. a case of mistaken apartment identity.

 

[AzPistonsGirl]

whoa, wait... who is murdering and raping and robbing innocent people in this case?

LE's mission is certainly not to kill people who rob and rape and murder. FACT.

 

[CrimeDawg123]

well, I for one want people to die at the hands of LE, if these people are murdering and raping and robbing innocent people. that's why we have LE.

Whatever, dude. How about when those people are innocent? What then? Clearly you are not versed in the history of the Dallas police department and the large number of innocent people who have been killed by them over the years. That historical context is an important issue here.

 

[CrimeDawg123]

I believe the officer's story. a case of mistaken apartment identity.

So you'd give her a pass?

 

[BeachSky]

There are 16 photos of Mr. Jean’s apartment available here:
Tragic scenes inside apartment where white cop shot dead black neighbor | Daily Mail Online

Im sorry but the HUGE RED door mat should have been her first clue she was not at her door!

JMO

 

[CrimeDawg123]

Im sorry but the HUGE RED door mat should have been her first clue she was not at her door!

JMO

That's a great point. How did she not notice that? Clearly she had no business being an on-duty police officer is she was so out of sorts. I think the defense will try to pin this on the department, and how she was so fatigued from the long shift. I also will be eager to find out how she got into the apartment. She claims the door was ajar but we've seen that the doors are fire doors that slam shut. Her key would have shown red when she inserted it and not opened the door. The affidavit in that article says she rendered first-aid. Really? When? Didn't sound like there were any attempts at first-aid from the phone call.

 

[Handsome Sailor]

Whatever, dude. How about when those people are innocent? What then? Clearly you are not versed in the history of the Dallas police department and the large number of innocent people who have been killed by them over the years. That historical context is an important issue here.

Dallas native here, born and bred. No such thing as "large number of innocent people..." Very easy to throw out a verbal hand grenade like that, but ALOT harder to back it up with FACTS. And for the record, let's uncouple this garbage that she was acting in an official capacity as LE. If she happened to be a teacher, betcha this case would be buried on page 5 of Dallas Morning News.

 

[CrimeDawg123]

Dallas native here, born and bred. No such thing as "large number of innocent people..." Very easy to throw out a verbal hand grenade like that, but ALOT harder to back it up with FACTS. And for the record, let's uncouple this garbage that she was acting in an official capacity as LE. If she happened to be a teacher, betcha this case would be buried on page 5 of Dallas Morning News.

Great, then you remember the 80's, then! Them were the days, eh Sailor? Your comment makes little sense. No one has said she was "acting in an official capacity".

 

[mickey2942]

Dallas native here, born and bred. No such thing as "large number of innocent people..." Very easy to throw out a verbal hand grenade like that, but ALOT harder to back it up with FACTS. And for the record, let's uncouple this garbage that she was acting in an official capacity as LE. If she happened to be a teacher, betcha this case would be buried on page 5 of Dallas Morning News.

If she had been a citizen, she probably would have been arrested that night, and her home searched. So, that already did not happen.

My bias here, is that I already believe that this entire situation lacks integrity. When you shoot someone, the first person you talk to is your union representative?

I would like to see an entire timeline of AG's last week. Where she was, what she did, how many hours she worked, and how much medication she is taking, how much alcohol she purchased in the last month....

 

[CrimeDawg123]

If she had been a citizen, she probably would have been arrested that night, and her home searched. So, that already did not happen.

My bias here, is that I already believe that this entire situation lacks integrity. When you shoot someone, the first person you talk to is your union representative?

I would like to see an entire timeline of AG's last week. Where she was, what she did, how many hours she worked, and how much medication she is taking, how much alcohol she purchased in the last month....

And her toxicology report

 

[mickey2942]

And her toxicology report

Right. How do we know that blood draw is actually AG? What time and date was it done? Who did it? Were there witnesses? What was the protocol?

I would not believe any testimony regarding the toxicology results. Already cynical that AG was being treated "special".

 

[CrimeDawg123]

Dallas native here, born and bred. No such thing as "large number of innocent people..." Very easy to throw out a verbal hand grenade like that, but ALOT harder to back it up with FACTS. And for the record, let's uncouple this garbage that she was acting in an official capacity as LE. If she happened to be a teacher, betcha this case would be buried on page 5 of Dallas Morning News.

BTW Sailor, it's quite easy to back up the egregious behavior of the Dallas Police department with facts - it's in the Congressional Record. It's not every day your police department gets investigated by Congress.

 

[CrimeDawg123]

sounds like you got some axe to grind. I ain't playin'...
and I hope Dallas' finest never have to put their lives on the line for u

Negative, I have no axe to grind. I lived through that mess. Thankfully a lot has changed for the better. I hope no one ever has to put their life on the line for me, but I have every confidence (now) in DPD. I don't know what went so wrong with this one officer, but we've got the trial to sort it out. Glad you ain't playin, whatever that means.

 

[BeachSky]

That's a great point. How did she not notice that? Clearly she had no business being an on-duty police officer is she was so out of sorts. I think the defense will try to pin this on the department, and how she was so fatigued from the long shift. I also will be eager to find out how she got into the apartment. She claims the door was ajar but we've seen that the doors are fire doors that slam shut. Her key would have shown red when she inserted it and not opened the door. The affidavit in that article says she rendered first-aid. Really? When? Didn't sound like there were any attempts at first-aid from the phone call.

Affidavit: Apartment Of Man Killed By Off-Duty Cop Was Unlocked

Sources said Guyger told investigators she was carrying several bags home from work and that’s why she says she missed that distinctive characteristic from the outside of her own apartment.

 

[mickey2942]

Affidavit: Apartment Of Man Killed By Off-Duty Cop Was Unlocked

Sources said Guyger told investigators she was carrying several bags home from work and that’s why she says she missed that distinctive characteristic from the outside of her own apartment.

I hope that every single item was logged, as part of the evidence.

How much do you want to bet that none of it logged?!

 

[Via Marple]

Affidavit: Apartment Of Man Killed By Off-Duty Cop Was Unlocked

Sources said Guyger told investigators she was carrying several bags home from work and that’s why she says she missed that distinctive characteristic from the outside of her own apartment.

But she would have to put the bags down, before taking a key out and trying to open the door? Where were her hands? If she was carrying the bags on her back, then they wouldn't block her vision.

 

[Rocco]

Jury Selection Continues In Former DPD Cop Amber Guyger's Murder Trial

Sorrels said the eventual jury won’t have to decide if Guyger killed Jean. They will have to decide if she needed to shoot him because of what she believed, or she committed murder because she shot him intentionally — and didn’t have to.

I don't see the first option as being much better than the second option.

#1.) if she needed to shoot him because of what she believed. ------- She believed he was an intruder in her apt.----- and that's it. That's what she said in her 911 call. If there was anything else she believed, surely she would have mentioned it during her call at some point---like if she believed she was in fear for her life or something along those lines, but she never said that. The call was almost 6 minutes long, she had plenty of time to convey her feelings of fear if she had them. She said "I thought it was my apartment" 18 times, but never adds "and I was scared"

Oh yes---she also believed she might lose her job over this.

That 911 call is going to be the icing on the cake for the prosecution.

 

[mickey2942]

See the Concerning Things Some Dallas PD Officers Have Posted on Facebook - D Magazine

I wonder if the "scrubbed" social media of AG can be shown during the trial, if anything she wrote can be recovered.

 

[sloane7777]

This doesn’t answer all your questions. But it does show the layout:


“The interior floor plan and exterior surroundings of each apartment are "identical" or "extremely similar" to each other, Armstrong wrote. Jean was transported to a local hospital where he died from his injury.”
Dallas officer who killed neighbor in his apartment said he ignored her verbal commands

Floor Plans of South Side Flats in Dallas, TX

Yes except for that BRIGHT RED DOORMAT that wasn't hers and she just pushed the door open ? wouldn't that give most people a clue?? (sorry if I sound snippy ) if that part didn't tip her off she was either high or stupid ....everyone is tired!

 

[sloane7777]

And either high or stupid = you should not be carrying a gun and feel the need to use it at the drop of a hat.