GUILTY TX - Former Dallas Police Officer Amber Guyger, indicted for Murder of Botham Shem Jean #8

[CrimeDawg123]

Has anyone from the jury spoken publicly?

 

[turaj]

Has anyone from the jury spoken publicly?

have seen nothing and hope if someone hears or sees anything they will post here...I am not expecting anything...they have to realize how controversial the sentencing phase is...they live right in Dallas. She would be a fool to appeal anything...

 

[Wishbone]

I think the brother's statement and hug threw everyone off!! I know it threw me off. I was stunned by that, I have to be honest. It made me forget all the broader ramifications and all the testimony about her character. But now that I've slept on it, I'm back to reality!

When I hear her name, I immediately think "Jane Wayne" gunslinger, instead. And I can't find anything redeeming about that.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

NAACP President Aubrey Hooper said in a statement that the organization saw the sentence as inadequate, but prayed that Jean's family could find some closure with the conviction.

A video of Jean's final moments, as first responders worked to revive him from gunshot wounds, was shown while his family was in the courtroom. They left sobbing, and Judge Tammy Kemp said she hadn't considered the hurt it would cause his loved ones.

Prosecutor LaQuita Long ended with text on a screen from one of Jean's pastors, who said recently: "To the defendant, he was just a silhouette in a room. To everyone who knew Botham, he was the brightest light in the room." It was a reference to Guyger's testimony, when she described seeing Jean in his apartment for the first time, saying she only saw a silhouette.

Lead prosecutor Jason Hermus walked over to the Jean family in the silent, mostly empty courtroom after the sentence.

"I'm sorry," he said. "I can't explain that."

Jean's father shook his hand. "You fought a good fight."

'This is where you start'
Amber Guyger sentenced to 10 years for Botham Jean's murder

 

[sloane7777]

This forum went from cries for justice to Kumbaya and nothing but praise for how wonderful everyone is and AG deserves nothing but forgiveness and the ten years is just fine, it’s no big deal that she’s racist and violent.

Did the justice seekers just leave or has everyone really turned that quick? I can’t handle this.

I agree !!!! now that little Brother did a forgiving thing everyone seems to think we should too, Sorry if this was a big ugly scary man cop would ya'll be Ok with 10 years ? I don't think so ....

 

[sloane7777]

I think the brother's statement and hug threw everyone off!! I know it threw me off. I was stunned by that, I have to be honest. It made me forget all the broader ramifications and all the testimony about her character. But now that I've slept on it, I'm back to reality!

that's exactly what happened , I woke up angry and seeing it on the news this morning didn't have the same affect as it did yesterday.

 

[Charlot123]

I really have to agree strongly with this , I have a husband and a coworker that tries lately to push religion off on me, and its really bothering me . I have nothing against it but just don't , I don't push my stuff on anyone !

But here is an issue. The jury might have been religious and felt that he was in a better place, and she just made a mistake. They did not think about it in the form of “his life is over now”. They thought he was in a better place. This swayed their choice in favor of the lighter sentence.
To me, his life is over. Just for no reason. If either of these jurors asked himself/herself “would I like to end my life like he did, suddenly, over some cop preoccupied with texting? Who did not give me the chance to meet with my priest, say good-bye, just sent me my merry way?”, they might have felt differently.

I suspect the brother did some therapy, and it was his way of coping with the loss. But he, too, forgets that he could have been in his brother’s shoes.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Jean’s mother wasn’t so quick to forgive.

On Thursday (October 3) she appeared on CBS This Morning and when asked if she had forgiven Guyger like her son Brandt did, she said, “I’m getting there.”

“I cannot eat,” she said while addressing the court during sentencing. “It’s just been the most terrible time for me.”

After she was found guilty, prosecutors revealed a series of text messages and social media posts that positioned Guyger as a racist.
Botham Jean’s Brother Hugs And Forgives Amber Guyger After Sentencing

 

[AllyBeeUK]

I agree with everything you say but that being said, I think the general population is just sick of hearing how African Americans are quickly gunned down and other races can shoot 20 people and calmly be taken into custody , or gunned down because of a traffic stop , what I'm saying is it really gets to people and that's why , not condoning it , I think what Botham's brother did STOPPED Dallas from rioting last night , but the hate does not surprise me .

I get you, but I can't really comment on it because I do not live in the States. Recently in the UK, we've had a spate of police officers being attacked, some killed, and they have been targeted because of their job. People generally don't get gunned down at traffic stops here, but a police officer from my local force was murdered while he was making one.

What I do know is, abusing people on Twitter never fixed a single thing. Maybe what Brandt Jean did, and what Allison Jean said will fix something. I sure hope so because we can't go on like this. I know for certain their actions will have a more positive effect than any vicious tweet aimed his way.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Paul, who is from Saint Lucia, was arrested for obstruction of a highway or passageway. She was released from jail on a $500 bond.

Police said protesters had blocked traffic at the intersection of Riverfront and Commerce and that officers gave warnings to clear the roadway.

The protest eventually ended back at the courthouse at around 10 p.m.
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Woman From Saint Lucia Arrested During Protest In Downtown Dallas After Amber Guyger Sentence

 

[Weki]

I agree !!!! now that little Brother did a forgiving thing everyone seems to think we should too, Sorry if this was a big ugly scary man cop would ya'll be Ok with 10 years ? I don't think so ....

BBM.

Exactly. Not only the brother but the judge. I guess now we're all supposed to walk around with our bibles and be good forgiving, compassionate Christians or else be labeled angry/violent. But there's no compassion for unarmed young men being gunned down by police on a regular basis. No THEY deserve that because they stole candy or had some pot on them. But AG, oh AG just made a "mistake" and how dare we be so mean to her.

 

[Synergizer Bunny]

Am I the only one here that doesn't think that this is a racially motivated murder?

I actually think that she was tired, distracted and mad because her married lover/partner wouldn't come up to her apartment to satisfy her "needs."

She entered the wrong apartment (through a defective door), saw a man sitting on a couch, eating ice cream. She shouted at him and immediately drew her weapon and aimed to kill, without really looking around to see if it was her apartment or thinking of alternatives (like exiting).

I think that she would have done this to any target. This target just happened to be black.

I also think that this apartment complex needs to be held liable. Didn't they say that it was found that the electronic plates in floor were put in wrong causing the door to latch sometimes and sometimes not latch? That along with those apartments looking so much alike are an accident waiting to happen.

I understand the politics behind wanting to make this strictly a racially motivated crime, but I just don't believe this to be the case. That's just my opinion.

I don't think that AG will be a danger to our society once she serves her prison sentence, especially, if she is never allowed to own a weapon or be in a position of authority again.

It's just sad that this young man had to lose his life. I personally hold AG AND the apartment complex responsible.

JMO.

 

[Weki]

There's also politics behind trying to make this strictly not about race. But we can agree to disagree. We are all entitled to our opinions.

 

[kaen]

BBM.

Exactly. Not only the brother but the judge. I guess now we're all supposed to walk around with our bibles and be good forgiving, compassionate Christians or else be labeled angry/violent. But there's no compassion for unarmed young men being gunned down by police on a regular basis. No THEY deserve that because they stole candy or had some pot on them. But AG, oh AG just made a "mistake" and how dare we be so mean to her.

I think it is important to remember that right after the killing, the narrative became about Mr. Jean's alleged drug use, the smell of marijuana in the complex emanating from his apartment, and not obeying her commands. So many were willing to have the same narrative that often happens when an unarmed man/boy/woman/girl is shot. It is not to hard to look at old articles to see how the narrative was shaped by LEO and the government officials in Dallas.

ETA link to old article:
"At the very early stages of this investigation – initial indications were that they were what we consider circumstances of an officer involved shooting.

However, as we continued this investigation it became clear that we were dealing with what appears to be a much different and very unique situation.

Therefore, we have ceased handling it under our normal officer involved shooting protocol, a blood sample was drawn to test for drugs and alcohol, we are in the process of obtaining a warrant, and we have also invited the Texas Rangers to conduct an independent investigation."

Shooting Involving Off Duty Officer – 1210 S. Lamar

 

[MrsPC]

Just my 2 cents...the sentence did not fit the crime.

And Jean's brother is an 18 year old who is probably sweet, naive, innocent, led a sheltered life & didn't truly grasp everything that was wrong with this case. But the judge allowing him to hug Guyger in court was absolutely crazy in my opinion. And then the judge hugging & giving Guyger a bible...everyone knew this was being televised & I think the judge wanted a piece of the publicity.

As far as any changes (or terminations) or improvements with Dallas Police procedures going forward I won't hold my breath.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

The two acts of apparent selflessness made one obvious thing became glaringly more obvious: Black forgiveness, for better or for worse, is a fragile and complex topic. The logic behind it is both inexplicable as well as easy to understand, making the topic all the more confounding whenever it does and also does not happen.

In that same vein, there were at least three instances of Black forgiveness on prominent and physical display during Amber Guyger’s murder trial, and they all came after her guilty verdict. It started with a bailiff, who is a Black woman, being caught on camera stroking Guyger’s hair in court shortly after Kemp read the verdict. The moment went viral because of the startling imagery of an officer of the court showing preferential treatment to not just an accused criminal, but a convicted murderer of an unarmed, innocent Black man in his own home.

As witnesses testified prior to sentencing, neither Amber Guyger’s mother nor her sister ever offered up an apology to Jean’s family.

The swiftness of that verdict seemed to reflect the undoubted severity of her crime. However, the sentencing didn’t. Whether that was because of the various instances of Black forgiveness that peppered this case, no one can truly say. What can be said, though, is that the justice of a guilty verdict and the apparent miscarriage of justice with Guyger’s sentencing must be reconciled somehow.
Amber Guyger’s Sentencing Shows Black Forgiveness Is The Gift And The Curse | The Crusader Newspaper Group

 

[sloane7777]

NAACP President Aubrey Hooper said in a statement that the organization saw the sentence as inadequate, but prayed that Jean's family could find some closure with the conviction.

A video of Jean's final moments, as first responders worked to revive him from gunshot wounds, was shown while his family was in the courtroom. They left sobbing, and Judge Tammy Kemp said she hadn't considered the hurt it would cause his loved ones.

Prosecutor LaQuita Long ended with text on a screen from one of Jean's pastors, who said recently: "To the defendant, he was just a silhouette in a room. To everyone who knew Botham, he was the brightest light in the room." It was a reference to Guyger's testimony, when she described seeing Jean in his apartment for the first time, saying she only saw a silhouette.

Lead prosecutor Jason Hermus walked over to the Jean family in the silent, mostly empty courtroom after the sentence.

"I'm sorry," he said. "I can't explain that."

Jean's father shook his hand. "You fought a good fight."

'This is where you start'
Amber Guyger sentenced to 10 years for Botham Jean's murder

BBM this judge is a TOTAL IDIOT THEN!!!!WTF! I cant believe I just read that!!!

 

[Mickey Mouse]

About all he can say...I doubt that anything said in the closing made too much difference...I would have preferred Hermus do the final closing...I thought the suggestion of 28 years was more than fair...even thinking they might go higher...I think they pretty much had that sentence in mind when they returned to the room...it did not take very long...probably easy to rule out "passion". Glad it was a diverse jury and it was mostly women and I think Amber's mother and the drug addict (can't remember name) were powerful and maybe some of the jurors are super religious too and really believe she can be redeemed and 10 years seemed like the right number. We have to honor that....she will be in at least 5 and that will be 5 where she can prepare for a new career...people are already wanting to write to her . That time will go fast...still can marry and have kids. awhile I have my doubts about her really changing but I assume no more guys for her!!

BBM
That's part of why I wanted a longer sentence. I don't want her raising any children.

 

[Weki]

I think the contrast of AG's family on the stand not once uttering a single apology or show of compassion for the Jean family against the forgiveness and compassion shown by the Jean family towards AG is quite appalling.

 

[sloane7777]

Just my 2 cents...the sentence did not fit the crime.

And Jean's brother is an 18 year old who is probably sweet, naive, innocent, led a sheltered life & didn't truly grasp everything that was wrong with this case. But the judge allowing him to hug Guyger in court was absolutely crazy in my opinion. And then the judge hugging & giving Guyger a bible...everyone knew this was being televised & I think the judge wanted a piece of the publicity.

As far as any changes (or terminations) or improvements with Dallas Police procedures going forward I won't hold my breath.

There were a few brief seconds I thought he would stab her during the hug probably wishful thinking on my part because I'm not so kind , you hurt me or mine especially my babygirl (13 year old) and you wont see that out of me , I'm just not wired that way .