TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #11

[winterrose]

CZ (billies friend who posts on here) said that she (CZ) looked up the number to the Texas Rangers and Billie called them. It was a ways back but I know she posted that and it was also stated on NG.

Not to contradict what's been said,but in her conversation to BD it was stated BD went home before going to LE,which BD said on NG she went to LE from work.So many things are getting confused,but I don't think Texas Rangers and FBI come in at the request of families.There has to be things in a case that would bring them into it.

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

So, has Marc Klaas shown up in Texas, yet? BD's friend says she spoke to them. IIRC. Sitting on NG's show, throwing out criticism seems rather unproductive. Hope this doesn't get me booted from here. I know MK is revered on this site....and, I believe he has done wonderful things....but, I also differ with him, frequently. This case is one of them. Sorry

If we all agreed, had the same thoughts and theories I do think it could be counter productive. So thankful we have WS where we all can agree to disagree, share opinions and theories in a civilized manner.

 

[AppleGreen]

Not to contradict what's been said,but in her conversation to BD it was stated BD went home before going to LE,which BD said on NG she went to LE from work.So many things are getting confused,but I don't think Texas Rangers and FBI come in at the request of families.There has to be things in a case that would bring them into it.

Maybe she didn't just "call them in" but called to make them more aware of the situation???

 

[Linda7NJ]

I'm not a professional either, but from following case after case I am confident in saying that no way, no how can anyone be made to take a poly against their own will. A court doesn't even recognize a poly, so there is no legal basis that can compel someone to take it... it's just an investigative tool that LE can use, if a person is willing to be wired up for it.

I'm one of those that would never be willing to take one...

I would also never take one, UNLESS my child were missing. Not because I put a lot of faith in them but because LE seems to. I'd want to be ruled out ASAP. I'd also tell them if I had spent the afternoon doin the pizza delivery guy and smoking crack...if that's indeed what I had been doing. I'd tell them anything they wanted to know regardless how it made me look.

I am still holding onto the opinion that LE doesn't have a clue as to where this child is or what happened to her.

I'm sorry if some find it offensive but as long as LE claims this child is a runaway and in hiding I will continue to say they're clueless.

 

[SilkySifaka]

LE is the one who searches for a missing person,mistrust of those who have no goal but to find a child?It's about the child and the parent should do everything asked,whether they want to or not.LE didn't lose the child,they're spending thousands looking for her.All they ask is honesty from friends and family,they are not the enemy and why would they want to set up anyone?Any parent of a missing child will be exhausted can't eat or sleep,but part of the process if having to go through the questions.

I have to wonder, it seems reactions here are very different than in most cases when polys are failed or shown to be deceptive and LE suggests parents aren't telling the whole truth.

Apart from my twilight zone reason for turning off and keeping the only way for HD to reach her mom (and that was said as the only possible reason i could see not that i think it is the reason) LE is rarely the enemy in a missing persons case even if they get tunnel vision.

I can question them, think they are way off the right track but I don't wholesale believe they are deliberately targeting people out of malice.

I am one of those who are most skeptical of LE, polygraphs and believe tunnel vision is a huge problem, it is really strange to see so many "agreeing" with my normal pov. Normally people are all over the parents lol.

There are many reasons people lie in cases including missing persons cases that have nothing to do with the crime. A deceptive poly can be because they asked if you had ever committed a crime and you say no but had shoplifted while younger or had a sealed juvenile record. Doesn't make the person a bad person or involved in their childs disappearance.

One thing in every single case is lies from those close to the missing person. To make themselves look better, or because they are afraid, or to cover for someone else since they "know" they can't be involved but they dont have an alibi. etc.

My biggest problem with LE right now is they aren't being skeptical enough. They have given dad a free pass essentially, no poly and his girl friend, they aren't questioning foul play but sticking to runaway and more.

 

[winterrose]

If we all agreed, had the same thoughts and theories I do think it could be counter productive. So thankful we have WS where we all can agree to disagree, share opinions and theories in a civilized manner.

True that,we could all be wrong and I'm just weighing thing out.Like everyone else we really don't have a clue,just theories on what we're hearing.

 

[tehcloser]

I would also never take one, UNLESS my child were missing. Not because I put a lot of faith in them but because LE seems to. I'd want to be ruled out ASAP. I'd also tell them if I had spent the afternoon doin the pizza delivery guy and smoking crack...if that's indeed what I had been doing. I'd tell them anything they wanted to know regardless how it made me look.

I am still holding onto the opinion that LE doesn't have a clue as to where this child is or what happened to her.

I'm sorry if some find it offensive but as long as LE claims this child is a runaway and in hiding I will continue to say they're clueless.

I can agree that they may not know what happened to her, but I believe the reason they don't is because of the family not being truthful.

 

[cluciano63]

LE says runaway but their searches do not match that. I think they are considering everything and just not ready to say it is a criminal case but I feel they will say that very soon.

 

[bellyup]

I'd also tell them if I had spent the afternoon doin the pizza delivery guy and smoking crack...if that's indeed what I had been doing. I'd tell them anything they wanted to know regardless how it made me look.

I am still holding onto the opinion that LE doesn't have a clue as to where this child is or what happened to her.

I'm sorry if some find it offensive but as long as LE claims this child is a runaway and in hiding I will continue to say they're clueless.

:great: Thanks for the chuckle ....
and I agree with every thing else you said though I think LE is on the wrong track because they aren't being told the full truth by people.

 

[SilkySifaka]

This is pretty much the mo for LE. SA was the last person to see Haliey and mom said her phone was the one Hailey would be using if she was on the phone, so LE will take those phones and go through them with a fine tooth comb, we have a girl missing and they want any and all information... It is not illegal it is part of the process, everything is fair game within reason ....this is all moo of course

Well except for taking the only way Hailey has to reach her mom away. I have never ever heard of such a thing. Normally they trace the phone or have LE answer it if it rings, they don't physically confiscate the only lifeline a child has to their parent and stick it in an evidence drawer some where so all calls go to voice mail.

That is hwere i wonder wtf they are doing

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

I'm not a professional either, but from following case after case I am confident in saying that no way, no how can anyone be made to take a poly against their own will. A court doesn't even recognize a poly, so there is no legal basis that can compel someone to take it... it's just an investigative tool that LE can use, if a person is willing to be wired up for it.

I'm one of those that would never be willing to take one...

BBM-After following sooo many of these cases, I am of the mind that polygraphs, in as much as they help, they also hinder.....

 

[Velouria]

So, has Marc Klaas shown up in Texas, yet? BD's friend says she spoke to them. IIRC. Sitting on NG's show, throwing out criticism seems rather unproductive. Hope this doesn't get me booted from here. I know MK is revered on this site....and, I believe he has done wonderful things....but, I also differ with him, frequently. This case is one of them. Sorry

Amster, wouldn't you agree that it would be best to treat a missing child as such from the very beginning of the investigation? If LE had first treated Hailey's disappearance this way, and THEN drawn the conclusion she could be a runaway, I'd be a lot more comfortable with the way things were handled here.

 

[tracyf1008]

ok not sure how to ask this, but did anyone see the post about the possible Hailey citing on the Find Hailey FB page?

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

True that,we could all be wrong and I'm just weighing thing out.Like everyone else we really don't have a clue,just theories on what we're hearing.

Yes you ARE correct and I hope I am dead wrong. I am hoping Hailey ran away and is just too busy having the time of her life to call anyone.....

 

[passionflower]

Full Moon – December 21, 08:13
Last Quarter – December 28, 04:18

throwing this out there........

 

[tehcloser]

ok not sure how to ask this, but did anyone see the post about the possible Hailey citing on the Find Hailey FB page?

No, could you link it again. But now that the heat is on the family, we will probably hear about lots of sightings going from past experiences. Funny how that works...........:banghead:

 

[tracyf1008]

No, could you link it again. But now that the heat is on the family, we will probably hear about lots of sightings going from past experiences. Funny how that works...........:banghead:

http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pages/Find-Hailey-Dunn/165260016852020

 

[Linda7NJ]

Full Moon – December 21, 08:13
Last Quarter – December 28, 04:18

throwing this out there........

Why? :waitasec:

 

[Strawberry Fields]

Well except for tak.ing the only way Hailey has to reach her mom away. I have never ever heard of such a thing. Normally they trace the phone or have LE answer it if it rings, they don't physically confiscate the only lifeline a child has to their parent and stick it in an evidence drawer some where so all calls go to voice mail.

That is hwere i wonder wtf they are doing

I think I recall these cell phones were prepaid. Perhaps the way you go about examining all of the data is different than with regular cell phones. Maybe they even had to send them away to get the data analyzed.

Also, as far as FB and MS, in the Brittany Smith case, LE would always say they were having a difficult time working with the administrators of these social networking sites, but little by little LE did say they were getting more cooperation. It blew my mind that these sites would drag their feet with cooperating since it was already known the mother of BS had been murdered and the "possible suspect in her murder" was on the run with the daughter.

 

[elepher50]

I would also never take one, UNLESS my child were missing. Not because I put a lot of faith in them but because LE seems to. I'd want to be ruled out ASAP. I'd also tell them if I had spent the afternoon doin the pizza delivery guy and smoking crack...if that's indeed what I had been doing. I'd tell them anything they wanted to know regardless how it made me look.

I am still holding onto the opinion that LE doesn't have a clue as to where this child is or what happened to her.

I'm sorry if some find it offensive but as long as LE claims this child is a runaway and in hiding I will continue to say they're clueless.

Agreed that LE doesn't know what happened and have few clues, but I believe the reason they don't is because the friends have not been forthcoming with what they know.