TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #26

[Beyond Belief]

I'd like to know who he talked too if anybody out in the parking lot. I think he made a drug deal arrangement or got some pills.

 

[JenRen]

that would be nice to believe,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but a new mask was shipped to him on Dec. 28

From the shipper on the MM forum that I'm just so proud to be a member of now LOL... "He purchased it on dec 7th and it was sent out dec 28th." Unless that thing was flown straight to his door, he would not have had it on the day Hailey went missing.

ETA: I know that's what you said, but I have seen so many misreport it as he RECEIVED it on the 28th, which he did not.

 

[BeanE]

The link to the story with DB talking about Hailey living with her last school year no longer works. Here is the text which was posted her before.

Donna Byerley met Hailey her through Byerley’s boyfriend, who had once dated a relative of Billie Jean Dunn. She described the girl’s home life as “volatile at times.”

Byerley characterized the 13-year-old as not getting along with her mother’s boyfriend, and Hailey herself as always wandering “here and there,” coming and going largely “as she pleases.”

But rather than a little girl lost, Byerley painted a picture of a compassionate person, whether it was taking care of a mutual friend of a family pet, a girl who remained “very much an individual,” with an honest style of communication whether talking about school, family or friends.

Dunn has stayed with Byerley and her boyfriend off and on, including the last two weeks of the previous school year, Byerley said.
“That was the school year that I think she started in Colorado City, went to Snyder a month or so, and then back to Colorado City,” she said.
“The last few weeks, perhaps month, she was living with her Dad because she doesn’t like the boyfriend,” Byerley said, referring to Adkins

http://www.reporternews.com/news/201...x/?partner=RSS
(link not working at 1/16/11 p.m.)

The link is broken. Here's the working link to the article. It's still up on the news site.

http://www.reporternews.com/news/2011/jan/08/xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/?partner=yahoo_feeds

 

[belimom]

Billies friend said that Billie had worked at the hospital for a number of years. By the looks of it it seems to be after she met SA that she was demoted for whatever reason.

Good observation... Hadn't thought of that before.

 

[passionflower]

I think it is odd that neither SA or BD co-workers have spoke out about them.
SA mom/grandma..........no comments
Friends speaking out?? publicly ???
BD's family?
So silent........

 

[marlame]

Quote:
Originally Posted by CKay
"I've been following the case fairly closely. I remember her statements.

But well, in most mother-daughter relationships, there is that period of time when heads are being butted, if you know what I mean.

I think SA acted alone (based on the facts that we know). There must have been a trigger, something out of the ordinary-every-day-you-annoy-me type thing. The "fiance" label just led me to wonder, speculate that an engagement could have set off a huge to-do that weekend, with things being said that triggered an unusual response in SA. Rage etc."

Yes, I know what you mean! I think a 12 year old moving away from home during the school year is indicative of an abnormal level of tension. I also see your point that if SA did in fact propose, it could cause an extreme reaction in an already tense situation. Hailey didn't like him and now he was going to become her stepfather (if we believe SA) - it could be a trigger for confrontations...

Billie's friend, czgtz, posted last night that Hailey had no problem getting in SA's face and then Billie would have to talk Hailey down and tell her to chill-out. A confrontation is very possible.

 

[belimom]

I had not seen this before, sorry if it's already been posted. This is the most verbal I have ever seen her ...

http://www.reporternews.com/news/2011/jan/12/raw-video-mother-billie-jean-dunn-speaks-out-about/

Thanks for posting that.

 

[CKay]

Yes, I know what you mean! I think a 12 year old moving away from home during the school year is indicative of an abnormal level of tension. I also see your point that if SA did in fact propose, it could cause an extreme reaction in an already tense situation. Hailey didn't like him and now he was going to become her stepfather (if we believe SA) - it could be a trigger for confrontations...

And to take it a step further. He gets up Monday morning and drives to work, thinking about it all the way. How could she say that? (anger building) Who the he** does she think she is?? (grrrrrrrrrr) ... raging. Gets to work, gets his (usual) Dr. Pepper and then *boom*, he has to go "take care of it".

Ack, I hated typing that (shaking).

 

[brownies]

I am just wondering what, other than the report (LE said and BD denies) that they went to an APM and withdrew 140.00 to buy drugs do we know they use drugs. What else has been reported about drug use? That is the only reference to drug use I have seen, but I know I could have missed it since I have not read every thread. tia

The other thread... The Parking Lot. Lots of videos of SA smoking the illegal stuff..

 

[MsFacetious]

Wow, thank you. :seeya:

I do not know what happened to Hailey, or who was involved.

I DO know that I have been wrongly accused on numerous occasions of everything from not caring about a family member in the ICU, to committing a crime, to having an affair, to strongly disliking my in laws (okay...that one is totally true...) :innocent:

I KNOW I am very weird and very different. I know that I look at things in an extremely weird way, totally outside the box.

I have just finally learned there might be a positive side to it. One of these days, there will be a parent like me in this situation and I will understand them a little.

It has just really been reinforced lately that my brain just doesn't allow me to process emotion when I have stuff to do. Yes, when I separate my shoulder and cannot take pain medication... I so wish I could make the pain go away. But is crying going to help? No it's not. In fact, it would hurt. :sick:

Yes, Billie so wishes she could bring her daughter home. But is crying hysterically on Nancy going to help? She doesn't think so. She is remaining calm and collected to get the information out there.

Do I wish that she COULD show some emotion, maybe at the end of the show to help public perception of her, which would help the search for her daughter? Yes, I do. But I cannot blame her if she knows she will totally fall apart if she does. I know what it's like to know if you show any emotion the flood gates will open. Black and white... no gray area.

I just wanted to give people something to think about. I'm glad it worked. :seeya:

First, I wanna say THANK YOU to both Ms.Facetious and howfortunate
for posting this info about you alls personalities/emotions! I think this EXTREMELY relevant, helpful, and telling info that I'd say many of do not know and are NOT AWARE OF..THANK YOU!

Myself being an extrovert was not aware of some of the detailed inner workings that you two did an awesome job of thoroughly explaining and informing the many that do not know or are not aware..

This, for me does make a difference in how I am looking at things or how incorrectly that I may have been perceiving things prior to being given this detailed knowledge.. I will take with me from here on out{including in all future cases that I happen to follow or look into}these specific details and the perfectly illustrated ways in which those that do think/feel/react to stressful and traumatic situations.. It truly is a huge help and an extremely important issue for everyone/all to really understand..

Lastly I want to say that I do not know Ms. Facetious on any personal basis outside of WS, but have found her to be one of the most intelligent, articulate, giving, and deeply caring individuals that I have had the pleasure of crossing paths with while a member here.. She knows how much I think of her and as I told her she is someone that I would be proud to say that I knew.. with that said, what Ms. Facetious has just opened up and informed us UN-informed folk about{details and inner workings of how some "introverted" personalities work} I can say that if this individual is telling us that in crisis or traumatic situations that she, herself could be seen "from the outside" as many of us see Billie{the very flat affect, many times "seemingly" emotionless}then my whole way of thinking HAS DEFINITELY BEEN ALTERED/CHANGED..

BECAUSE WITHOUT A DOUBT MS. FACETIOUS HAS A HEART OF GOLD AND AN EXTREMELY CARING/COMPASSIONATE HUMAN BEING! so, if at a time of crisis/trauma all of these deeply felt feelings of a persons soul are "covered up"{for lack of a better term}then without a doubt that person CANNOT BE ACCURATELY ASSESSED OR ANY TYPE OF TRUE OR ACCURATE PICTURE PAINTED OF AN INDIVIDUAL THAT COPES/REACTS IN THIS WAY..

Thank you for helping me to understand this facet of the human psyche...

**and if anyone doubts or just doesn't know what an awesome/caring/compassionate person that Ms. Facetious is...well, just click on the link at the bottom of her posts{the tribute that she has made in her sig}..thats a glimpse of who Ms. Facetious is!

 

[belimom]

IMO....H did not die in her bed.....

The LE took her sheets....and after a person dies, body fluids(sorry) are expelled...

I am no dr./medical person/by any means...but...if H had died in her bed, and her sheets showed evidence of that...IMO.......the LE would come back for the mattress and conduct an exam for signs for blood, weapons....an INTENSE search/examination...including the premises....

IMO.....I believe H was drugged...the night before....and the perp came back and just took her right out...quick. easy, quiet....no struggle...

Reasons I believe that...(at this time)she was drugged..

. nothing of her missing
. no sign of a struggle(that we know of)
. no phone call from H before leaving the house

Reasons I believe the perp did not wake her and tell her to come with him..it was an emergency..
. H would have taken her hoody
. H would have probably made a phone call
. witnesses may have seen her with him in a vehicle...

IMO...the perp did NOT want H to be seen with him...leaving in a vehicle..(witnesses)

IMO...he drugged her...the night before...to make it quick and easy the next day for him to remove her...

IMO...it would be easier to remove a victim from a bed...drugged...than to wake one and insist/force/commotion/screaming....attention...from an awake one who is fearful of you.

If someone was going to remove a teenager out of a bed and make them go with you somewhere, how could that deed be done in a very short time..with NO resistance from her....????.....this is how I see it done.....(for now)

all in my own opinion and my 2 cents...

How does SA get her out without waking BD? Assuming she isnt involved? How does he lessen the risk of getting caught? Does he drug BD also? What is SA motive?
I do think from the Jan. 3 & 4 interviews that he showed very unusual interest in H. He has been lusting her for awhile now imo. I think BD would be too jelous to admit and do anything about it even if she felt it in her mother gut. Her actions seem to do anything to keep SA happy and engaged in her. Is he playing the mother against the daughter perhaps.

Hope I am making my ideas clear.

Justuf4all, I think you and I have the exact same theory.

WideOpen, I think he came back and got her the next morning, after Billie left for work. Hence the cell phone pinging at the house. He timed it to arrive after Billie left but before it was too light outside. MOO (well, I guess mine and justus4all...)

 

[marlame]

I think it is odd that neither SA or BD co-workers have spoke out about them.
SA mom/grandma..........no comments
Friends speaking out?? publicly ???
BD's family?
So silent........

LE has not spoken out much either and has shared very little information. even the searcher's have been kept in the dark. It is all very ODD compared to other cases we follow.

 

[TxLady2]

I hope I don't lose any friends from this post...IMO only

Families of the missing are not coach on how to acted in media they are never warn ahead time that their whole life will be exposed.

Kyron Horman families was exception to most cases.( Tony Young being Kyron stepfather and LE) Kyron families was told to be ready for your whole life to be exposed) Kyron's mother is good in front the camera. Unfortunately BD is not!

Yes, BD lied and I really think she had no idea what was about to be put out in the media. I think she lied about the money and drugs and also how she really did not keep track of her children. She was embarrass
plain and simple IMO.

I also see her being bash for being with a younger guy.
Well god help me if something happen in my family because... I am also married to a younger guy that we will be celebrating 14 years ann. next month. I meant him in my 30s and he was in his 20s.
When NG ask BD about the age different. My heart broke for BD you could see the embarrassment she felt. Which really was unfair of NG and had nothing to do with finding Hailey.

I also feel BD reads here and I hope that she just be honest because everything go to come out anyway.

JMO

:back::back::back::back::back:

Bless you for this post!! ITA!

If Shawn were 8 years older than Billie, no one would have anything to say about it, but since she is older, people criticize. Not fair at all!
I'm also older than my husband, 5 years to be exact, and we are going on 27 years. I used to be embarrassed about it at first, but not anymore. He can take care of me when I get too old to take care of myself!

I also agree that she should not be judged by what we see on NG or in interviews, but she does need to tell the truth, even if it makes her look bad, because sooner or later the truth will come out and lying about it makes it worse.

 

[bellyup]

Tame? Not in my world. I am still shocked and horrified. They don't get a pass from me because they're bored! Please. Hacking up a deer with a chain saw is sick and twisted. He told a relative of Billies about it so it wasn't all that long ago.

Seriously, if my kid EVER behaved this way, you can bet his butt would be getting some professional help!

I think A LOT of parents would be surprised to see what teens (especially boys) are doing. I'm a "cool" mom ... and by all accounts probably the youngest of all my DD's friends mothers. I'm also very involved with a teen outreach program which I became involved in as a direct result of "doing it all" as a teenager (if it was "bad" ... I most likely did it) . I am NOT easily shocked at all. But sometimes ... these kids manage to surprise me ... and it's usually the ones whose parents would never ever guess that it was their kids.

 

[Redbird]

Has anyone besides SA said they are engaged? When I first read that I thought he might have just said that, trying to get closer to BD as she was trying to distance herself from him.

 

[Quester]

When (day/time) did SA first inform BD that he had had an argument with a co-worker and quit his job or had been fired? TIA

 

[captdj]

Hate to sound like a broken record but something is not right with what went on from time she found out HD was not at MB to time she went to the police to make a report....her actions just dont make sense....I sure would like more info in this timeline....Please

Me too this "time" bothers me for for another reason...
Hailey's lifeline to her friends was that cell phone....
if she had made plan with another friend and SA got the name wrong...
The cell phone is siting right in front of them....all she had to do is put it up and look to see if Hailey had called someone else that day...made other plans or to at least know she was alive and making calls on Monday....
but she doesnt scroll to look....I find it hard to comprehend.

(maybe it cant scroll back but it can text and store numbers)

All Billie has said is that LE has the phone now and they havent talked to her about any calls Hailey had made....

Billie is too passive I'd be asking them everyday....I'd want to know who talked to Hailey last and when:banghead:

 

[yllek]

The link is broken. Here's the working link to the article. It's still up on the news site.

http://www.reporternews.com/news/2011/jan/08/xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/?partner=yahoo_feeds

Thanks BeanE!

PonderingMind: this is the quote from the same article, it came from MB's mom

"Later, she said that her daughter told her that Dunn had expressed a desire to move in with her birth father, which Garcia said her daughter indicated led to a family altercation around Christmastime" - Cecilia Garcia (MB's mom)

 

[CajunCares]

I made this post very late in thread 24, shortly after a new thread was open just wondering if anyone else thinks this is how it could have happened.


Hi everyone I have tried to keep up on this case, which has been really hard with all the inconsistencies and the speed the pages fly by. lol But I'm wondering if maybe SA could have slipped the dated rape drug in BD drink on Sunday night, then take HD after BD passed out. I don't believe BD checked on HD Monday morning before work, I think she is just saying that to save face. SA might have gotten to work and remember he left evidence (maybe the glass the drug was put in,and the bundle in HD bed made to look like she was there just in case BD would look in on HD before leaving) When he realized BD did not know HD was gone yet he came up with the story about her going to sleep at a friends house. Because obviously BD did not even ask about HD when she was picked up from work, it was said SA told BD when they got home from their drug run.

Then again maybe she took the drugs herself and passed out which gave SA his chance at HD.I can't tell if BD lies are from trying to cover her involvement or her drug use and lack of on hands parenting.
I also don't give the dog hits any credit because if she walked around alot in the area then of course her scent could be there.

Anyway one last thing i would like to say, I have not been able to get it out of my mind sense I started hearing about this case, it's something i heard on Oprah show I think it is a Maya Angelou quote.

"When someone shows you who they really are believe them the first time."

 

[Adrienne37]

Has it ever been determined how Billie got to work that morning since they only had one car and Adkins left for work at 5:30 a.m.?