TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #31

[lynnb]

When I interviewed Billie last week, she did tell me that Hailey had gotten a TV for her room for Christmas. She said Hailey was so excited about it too....she said alot of times before Hailey would just sleep on the couch, watching tv until she fell asleep.

Did Billie happen to mention what SA got for Hailey as a Christmas gift? just out of curiousity... sometimes a gift can have a subtle meaning....if you're uncomfortable answering I understand.

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

so do we know why sulfuric acid was even brought up in this case? Did SA's employer find some missing or something?

I'm not sure, sorry, I had people here and they were talking right through NG.
New House Rule..No one speaks during NG and this rule trumps the Replace the toilet paper roll when you use the last piece Rule!

 

[winterrose]

Yes..and I hate that it has come to this.

Aside from what's happening in this,I've watched the locals on the fb sites for Hailey and really nice supportive people.It sounds like an awesome place to live,except for the rattlesnakes. :rocker:

 

[carmenU]

Someone may beat me to it, but I'll tell you exactly why they dislike them. This direct from a cop (who was the arresting officer when I was burglarized by a neighbor when I happened to be home).

They dislike them because usually the vic doesn't want the abuser to be arrested, because officers themselves are sometimes physically attacked by the victim. They dislike them because the abused often go back to/stand behind the abuser. Imagine the frustration, and knowing that they are as least as exciting as a bank robbery because they themselves are potentially physically endangered. In the specific example he gave me, his partner was cuffing a man who they caught holding a knife to a woman-and the woman attempted to hit the officer in the head with a cast iron skillet while crying that the cop was "hurting him". This was over thirty years ago but I never forgot.

IME, IMO

After 30 years, I hope the LE and the public know much more about domestic abuse.
2 out of 3 women who are victims of violence are related to the attackers
39% of women who present to the ER are victims of abuse.
75% of the calls to LE for domestic abuse occur after the partners separate
50% of female homicides are related to domestic abuse and happen after separtion of the relationship.
Domestic abuse is not to be taken lightly by LE,ever. It is when women are more likely to be murdered.

 

[my_tee_mouse]

Yes..and I hate that it has come to this.

I hate it for ya'll. As I mentioned awhile back, I lived in a small town that went from total innocence to horror overnight. I pray that one day ya'll can get back some sense of safety. But always take precautions, because we just never know what will happen.

 

[carmenU]

I'm not sure, sorry, I had people here and they were talking right through NG.
New House Rule..No one speaks during NG and this rule trumps the Replace the toilet paper roll when you use the last piece Rule!

Funny! It is when I pretend to listen to my SO and shake my head "yes' and pretend to listen. It is very difficult and takes much practice:great:

 

[wonderella]

Loved the lawyer's Quote about SA refusing to talk to Billie....

"If you have nothing to hide...then hide nothing!'

Then Nancy Grace asked him..."Is That why you don't put your people on the stand...because you know that they ARE guilty" The guy said "yes you are right Nancy!

They are also talking about DD....BD said that he told her that Hailey was playing His X-box in His Bedroom @ about 9:00....This is new info...I figured the X-Box was in the Living Room so that the whole family could play it...strange?????

Then BD said that she saw Hailey in her own bed watching TV @ 10:00...But didn't DD say that the game she was playing would have taken her until midnight....Strange??

DEAR GOD...PLEASE BRING HAILEY HOME

Each time I watch Billie on Nancy's show, I pray that she will show something that I will recognize to be true emotion. As she speaks and gives ambiguous answers that always seem to be focused more on protecting SA and/or herself, I am almost lulled into forgetting that she is there to talk about a missing--and possibly murdered--13-year-old girl----who is most importantly, HER 13-year-old girl.

I am jolted back to reality, however, each time I see Clint and the mix of emotions--anger, despair, disgust, and fear--written all over his face. My heart breaks for him, and he reminds me of the real reason he's there, and the real reason we've come together here.

I wish I could say that I believe Billie is being truthful, but I can't. I was on the fence before, but lean a little farther over the side with each passing day. I hope that Hailey is found soon, very soon.

God bless you sweet Hailey, wherever you are tonight.

 

[Mustang Sally]

bbm

BD's priorities can be surmised from these 911 calls, IMO.

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=332786

It would seem that BD cared more about the material possessions SA might steal from her house (while retrieving his tee shirt) than she did about her children's well-being:

"I don't want him in there while I'm gone, because I don't know what he'll take."

The following items are the very first things BD expressed concern about in her 911 call:

"So I am kinda worried he could walk out with a TV or anything, my son's X-Box."

She attempted to feign concern for her son as an after-thought (apparently, the TV or the X-Box ranked higher on BD's scale of who or what is most important, since she mentioned those items first in her 911 call):

"Another thing, my 15 year old son may be there also. He stayed with a friend last night but he may be home by now. So I don't want him going over there causing problems with him either."

IMO, BD's priorities are totally out of whack, as we have seen with regards to her numerous statements about SA and his possible guilt/innocence and her continuing feelings of love for him.

Did these poor kids every sleep at home in their own BEDS????

Worried about the TV and the X-box getting taken by SA.......Not one mention about Hailey...

Just wondering if she was actually living in the house on 2/14/10???? Could this have been during the time that she was going to school in Snyder?

czgtz.....Thank you so much for you input on the dymanics of this STRANGE
Disapperance of such a sweet & loving child. Please feel free to come back any time and give us your thoughts & feelings about Hailey.

DEAR GOD PLEASE BRING HAILEY HOME!!

 

[TGIRecovered]

and we have to face it, LE deals with all kinds of chit..and they do talk like that..just like doctors talk about inappropriate stuff in the operating room, just to break the monotony and tension, they don't mean any harm and WE just don't usually hear it..

Okay, I have to pull out my cop-wife card here to let people know that the way that dispatcher and the officer talked is absolutely unprofessional and would not be tolerated in a well-run police department. Cops who act like this are an embarassment to the many who chose behave honorably, even when people call over and over, curse them, fight them, threaten their families,or spit in their face.

There will always be places, large and small where people do a crappy job and treat citizens or customers or whomever they serve with disdain. It is wrong, it does lead to bad decisions and has no place in a profession with the serious responsibility of protecting and serving citizens of the USA. That means everyone, even the ones they don't like, no matter who they are.

Please forgive the OT, I just had to set that straight. Thank you very much.

 

[lillys]

I thought cz said BD specifically told her he didn't threaten Hailey and BD and that she called for something else.He used her debit card and she called LE,so this is proof he did indeed threaten them.KWIM

This would be lie ie mistruth # ? by Billie?

 

[Kimster]

DO YOU KNOW WHY WE ARE HERE? ​

We are here to make a difference. And WE DO. Websleuths is the only forum on the Internet that is respected by LE, Families, Media, and people from around the world.

WHY? Because we do our best to keep focused on what really matters.

What matters in Hailey's case? THAT WE FIND HAILEY.

We can all agree Hailey's mom is not going to be Mother of the Year ever.

We can all agree Hailey's mom brought into their lives the focus of the investigation into her disappearance.

This makes me angry like it does all of you I'm sure.

But what Hailey's mother did to earn money, what she does in other areas of her personal life, as unseemly to us as it all may be, is not directly connected to the disappearance of her daughter.

What we know is connected to the investigation is her boyfriend. And we have found out that she appeared to have lied about threats to herself and Hailey from this guy.

That makes me sick but that doesn't mean I will allow Websleuths to go down to the gutter to discuss and trash the areas of her life that do not have to do with Hailey's disappearance.

WHY WE DO WE WANT TO KNOW ALL THE UNSEEMLY PARTS OF HER LIFE?

The only reason we do is because it is disgusting and makes us mad.

But by discussing her past (which is not connected to what is going on now) how does that help with the case?

All it does is trash a mother, and as little I think of her parenting skills she is a mother, who is missing her daughter.

I spoke to Marc Klaas tonight. He asked me to please help everyone to keep on track with what is really important right now.

And that is Hailey. Not what her mother has done in her past that makes us cringe as parents.

Please let's keep Websleuths above the all the gossip crap that has NOTHING to do with the case.

When I speak to Brad Dennis (The head of the KlaasKids Search Team and is in Texas tonight) and ask him what we can do to help his team find Hailey I can guarentee you he is not going to ask us to find out what Billie did for a living.

Keep on topic and keep your keyboard on track. We are here for Hailey.

End of story.

:bump: for the west coasters and those in the east who are insomniacs. :countsheep:

 

[Wise Old Owl]

bbm

BD's priorities can be surmised from these 911 calls, IMO.

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=332786

It would seem that BD cared more about the material possessions SA might steal from her house (while retrieving his tee shirt) than she did about her children's well-being:

"I don't want him in there while I'm gone, because I don't know what he'll take."

The following items are the very first things BD expressed concern about in her 911 call:

"So I am kinda worried he could walk out with a TV or anything, my son's X-Box."

She attempted to feign concern for her son as an after-thought (apparently, the TV or the X-Box ranked higher on BD's scale of who or what is most important, since she mentioned those items first in her 911 call):

[I]"Another thing, my 15 year old son may be there also. He stayed with a friend last night but he may be home by now. So I don't want him going over there causing problems with him either."[/I]

IMO, BD's priorities are totally out of whack, as we have seen with regards to her numerous statements about SA and his possible guilt/innocence and her continuing feelings of love for him.

BBM

See, there it is again. Her kids hardly ever slept at that house. They were forever staying here or there and she had no clue. She says it right there - I don't know if he's home yet. Oh and also, she's said that she left the phone at the house for the kids. Well clearly she didn't this day. She even says that DD doesn't have a phone there. So sad.

When I interviewed Billie last week, she did tell me that Hailey had gotten a TV for her room for Christmas. She said Hailey was so excited about it too....she said alot of times before Hailey would just sleep on the couch, watching tv until she fell asleep.

On school nights too? My daughter can sleep ANYWHERE! She ws always like that from a toddler. We'd wake up and find her all over the house. But once she got going in school - I'd say it was around 2nd - 3rd grade she went to bed on school nights. Again, neglectful parenting - when a child falls asleep on the couch you get them to bed. They'll go. And please don't throw tomatoes at me - I realize that sometimes its just ok. But with this dysfunctional group I believe Hailey sleeping on the couch was just another thing - AND, come to think of it - would Hailey have been sleeping on the couch while SA wandered around at night on BD's phone?

I'm really wondering how many times BD or SA filed police reports last year - I mean went down there and did it. You can bet LE knows. Maybe that's what will be released next.

 

[carmenU]

Hi everyone, I am an avid lurker and I don't say much. I am addicted to this thread and many others, and have been here since Miss Caylee brought me here.

I understand raising an eyebrow at the police, but I also understand why at first they did not take her seriously and why they did not deem the two of them "credible" witnesses. Seriously, if you were Hailey, would you RUN away? Many of us hope she did.

Anyway, have a great night everyone and I hope we are all wrong and she is out there somewhere.

I would never hope or advocate a 12 year old running away from home. I would think that would put them in a vulnerable position. I would advocate them using the resources at school , utilizing LE, or speaking to a trusted adult.

 

[debirlfan]

bbm

BD's priorities can be surmised from these 911 calls, IMO.

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=332786

It would seem that BD cared more about the material possessions SA might steal from her house (while retrieving his tee shirt) than she did about her children's well-being:

"I don't want him in there while I'm gone, because I don't know what he'll take."

The following items are the very first things BD expressed concern about in her 911 call:

"So I am kinda worried he could walk out with a TV or anything, my son's X-Box."

She attempted to feign concern for her son as an after-thought (apparently, the TV or the X-Box ranked higher on BD's scale of who or what is most important, since she mentioned those items first in her 911 call):

"Another thing, my 15 year old son may be there also. He stayed with a friend last night but he may be home by now. So I don't want him going over there causing problems with him either."

IMO, BD's priorities are totally out of whack, as we have seen with regards to her numerous statements about SA and his possible guilt/innocence and her continuing feelings of love for him.

Has anyone considered the possibility that SA never actually made those threats - or if he did, they were just a "matter of speaking" and never intended as a serious threat?

In the first call, BD starts out by saying she doesn't want SA in the house for fear he'll take something. Police response is along the lines of "there's not much we can do about it" - THEN she "ups the ante" by suggesting her son might be there and SA might be a danger to him. That still doesn't get far with the police.

From the way the officer responds to the second call, I'm fairly certain there were other calls/visits to the station in between - and again, judging from the way the officer responds, it sounds as if BD doesn't get what she wants. So, she says that SA threatened her and her ex. (I would REALLY like to know if the officer saw those text messages she claims BD sent.)

Then - SA calls police reporting she might be suicidal. Maybe BD has been calling him giving him a bunch of drama, too?

Those calls just don't strike me as legit. I'm not so sure BD wasn't "playing" the cops.

 

[Tugela]

Perhaps SA went to work to specifically get the acid solution. Went to get it. break room for a cola for alibi.. walked out, then took care of his mess he made.. perhaps she was deceased the night before.. odd that they were looking under the home all of a sudden, perhaps for empty bottles of the acid.

Why looking for the acid, I do not believe that is a needle in a haystack... somthing or someone called their attention to it.. SA has creepy friends in masks.. possibly a helper in this. The other persons of intrest I think it is a friend of family member of SA.

If he discarded this little girl and destroyed her body beyond id I am going to be even more sad.
I wonder if any seaches on ANY computer he had perhaps had a google search or website on the acid he may have used... maybe that is what led LE to go with the acid theory.

Tissue is usually dissolved with base (sodium hydroxide), not acid. Acid will burn you but its not that good at actually dissolving biological material. Pure sulfuric acid acts as a dehydrating agent, it sucks water out and causes chemical reactions that eliminate water, but all the rest would remain. If you tried to dissolve someone that way you would probably end up with a blackened lump. Sodium hydroxide on the other hand causes the complex molecules in the body to hydrolyse fairly readily and that will result in tissue going into solution (other than the fats of course). Sodium hydroxide is the stuff that is used to solubilize tissue in laboratories.

 

[katydid23]

Here is what I would like to know. If BD took SA so seriously that she called 911. She took him so seriously admitting she didn't trust him enough to enter her house to retrieve a t-shirt. What changed in one year where she is having such a difficult time believing SA could have any part of Hailey being gone? There is something missing here.

I wonder if they were fighting over that SlipKnot t-shirt?

I agree with you that it makes no sense that she went from calling LE to keep him out of her home, to moving him in.

I understand now why she kept deflecting and underplaying things like the masks and the videos. It seems like she is in a co-dependent relationship with SA that overwhelms other parts of her life.

 

[SusanB]

Wow, just spent hours catching up here, but time for bed - little grandson will be waking me up in a few hours.
Billie should stop talking now. Why does she not have a lawyer?
This is a perfect example of a dysfunctional codependent couple, and throw in some drug abuse too.
Tonight's developments have proved she has lied. Time to just sit back and let LE do their job.
But it was great sleuthing! Can't get enough!:innocent:

 

[winterrose]

Hi everyone, I am an avid lurker and I don't say much. I am addicted to this thread and many others, and have been here since Miss Caylee brought me here.

I understand raising an eyebrow at the police, but I also understand why at first they did not take her seriously and why they did not deem the two of them "credible" witnesses. Seriously, if you were Hailey, would you RUN away? Many of us hope she did.

Anyway, have a great night everyone and I hope we are all wrong and she is out there somewhere.

Hello,
Yep,I've seen this myself when the same homes call over and over and over.Noone presses charges,kids are in the home and LE has to go everytime,but it's like,"Press charges already or seperate from one another." And the maddening thing is,people think there's an officer for every street,there's only a number of officers for a whole area and there's shifts.While they are having to deal with the same domestic mess,there is serious crime,accidents and other people who need the officer's attention.They know how it will end and what it will be about,but they have to go anyway.

 

[CarolynV]

I would never hope or advocate a 12 year old running away from home. I would think that would put them in a vulnerable position. I would advocate them using the resources at school , utilizing LE, or speaking to a trusted adult.

I agree, and I understand, but I believe she tried that.

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

Hi everyone, I am an avid lurker and I don't say much. I am addicted to this thread and many others, and have been here since Miss Caylee brought me here.

I understand raising an eyebrow at the police, but I also understand why at first they did not take her seriously and why they did not deem the two of them "credible" witnesses. Seriously, if you were Hailey, would you RUN away? Many of us hope she did.

Anyway, have a great night everyone and I hope we are all wrong and she is out there somewhere.

Glad you quit lurking and started posting because you have some valid points, the one I can understand is the one BBM - Knowing what we know now, I can fully understand HD running away in a T-shirt, blue sweatpants and flip flops and not taking a thing with her. If I were HD I would have got the flock out of there as fast as I could and I hope and pray this is what she did.