TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #35

[trigger]

None of the 911 tapes from February say he threatened Hailey. He was threatening Billie and Clint. Nancy was quoting LE, who were paraphrasing what they believed Shawn to have told them after Hailey disappeared. I think there was some miscommunication.

TY..You said it better then me...

 

[SurfieTX]

And they are back to that landfill today searching with cavadar dogs? Is this the same landfill the dogs hit at last week?

No, this is a different landfill. I think it is in or around C. city. The other one was in Abilene.

 

[KMouse]

I am not sure what having a college education has to do with being qualified with being LE. What about our servicemen and women? Many of the people who put their lives on the line to protect our Country have no college education. Many are just out of high school. My husband was one of them. I believe that LE is doing a great job. There have been cases in large cities where LE have done some things that are questionable. An education does not equal a good cop. It takes heart, devotion, and common sense. All of which can not be learned.

Plus police officers go through training and continue to go through training throughout their career.

 

[TGIRecovered]

Small town,people know one another and lifestyles,have to deal with the same old problems of people's homes.The officer knew Bd,the address and her name and had obviously been there various times in that day,as he said she's been going at it all day.He expressed what anyone would be feeling,had nothing to do with his job performance as he was not on that call till he left the office.The officer wasn't on a call with the complaintant and I don't know why that call from the dispatcher to the officer in the office was even recorded.The dispatcher talks to the officers while they're out on the road on thier shifts,which you can hear.

Officers don't like domestic calls when they are the same people,same problems and they know the woman won't press charges and stays with the abuser.It takes away from real calls and people that have real problems,if you listened to a police scanner,you'd start to recognize the names,addresses,same circumstances and officers leaving with no arrests.At the same time you'll hear attempted burglaries,burglaries,assault,etc and there's only so many officers on a shift to go on the calls.The point is he went to the call,made the incident report and in one of those reports of that day it stated Hailey was also threatened.

LE questioned SA about it and he admitted he did threaten her.Why would SA admit he threatened Hailey if it wasn't written down from the officer's report?Also the 911 calls were denied,said they were about a debit card and Hailey wasn't threatened,when the report stated otherwise.These inconsistencies are what LE is talking about,if it hadn't been written down by someone else,I doubt it would have come out.

Okay, I have to pull out my cop-wife card here to let people know that the way that dispatcher and the officer talked is absolutely unprofessional and would not be tolerated at all in a well-run police department. Cops who act like this are an embarassment to the many who chose behave honorably, even when people call over and over, curse them, fight them, threaten their families,or spit in their face.

There will always be places, large and small where people do a crappy job and treat citizens or customers or whomever they serve with disdain. It is wrong, it does lead to bad decisions and has no place in a profession with the serious responsibility of protecting and serving citizens of the USA. That means everyone, even the ones they don't like, no matter who they are.

It doesn't matter who the comments were made to our how often a caller has asked for help. There is no excuse for the whiney, lazy, prejudicial attitude expressed in those calls. It is obvious to me that such an attitude played a big part in how CCPD handled Hailey's disappearance from day one.

Cops do deal with horrible situations every day. A callous or prejudiced attitude leads to insufficent attention to important details and haphazard investigations filled with "mistakes". An officer with that type of attitude would not last the first 90 days in a well-run LE agency.

 

[Ellebelle]

BBM and jumping off your post:

I can’t help but think that the “fiancé” status has something to do with a motive here.

Did SA propose marriage to BD for xmas? And was rebuffed on Sun Dec 26? A fuming, crazed SA shows up for work on Mon Dec 27 and just can’t think of anything else and leaves because if he doesn’t have BD then the job is meaningless. And now we have BD’s missing child who, possibly in SA’s mind, may have been THE sore, ongoing source of problems in the BD/SA relationship?

A bit dramatic but could there be shades of truth in it ???

I seriously doubt that IF there was a proposal to BD from SA that she would say no.
Just my opinion based on what how I've seen her defend him.

 

[passionflower]

Maybe LE just drove to the landfills with Billie to show her what the searchers were going through, and that if she knew anything or could think of any place SA might have used as a place to put Hailey, it's time to talk?

I have thoughts of LE driving EBaker around to find the pieces of little Zahra........

 

[amysmom]

It seems as though this is one thing LE has managed to hold back...although the expert on NG yesterday kept referring to Hailey having sent it...I doubt he is clued in though.

He should've been saying texts from Hailey's PHONE! I did pick up on that as soon as he began talking.

 

[pufnstuf]

I'm a citified Texan, but I feel the need for some good cowboy boots coming on! Not my style, but rattlesnakes trump asthetic preference any day!

Haha... no doubt! I survived a venomous snakebite during the late fall here, and it was no fun. Thank god for crofab!! I had to have 13 vials. Would not wish that brand of hell on anyone.

If there's a good time to be searching as far as snakes, though, it's right now. Even in October, the venomous snakes are out. But right now, they're in brumation. They may be out during warm snaps in the winter, but mostly when it's cold, they look for holes, stumps, log piles to brumate in.

Just another reason to give the searchers the utmost respect. There are all kinds of perils out there.

 

[KMouse]

Okay, I have to pull out my cop-wife card here to let people know that the way that dispatcher and the officer talked is absolutely unprofessional and would not be tolerated at all in a well-run police department. Cops who act like this are an embarassment to the many who chose behave honorably, even when people call over and over, curse them, fight them, threaten their families,or spit in their face.

There will always be places, large and small where people do a crappy job and treat citizens or customers or whomever they serve with disdain. It is wrong, it does lead to bad decisions and has no place in a profession with the serious responsibility of protecting and serving citizens of the USA. That means everyone, even the ones they don't like, no matter who they are.

It doesn't matter who the comments were made to our how often a caller has asked for help. There is no excuse for the whiney, lazy, prejudicial attitude expressed in those calls. It is obvious to me that such an attitude played a big part in how CCPD handled Hailey's disappearance from day one.

Cops do deal with horrible situations every day. A callous or prejudiced attitude leads to insufficent attention to important details and haphazard investigations filled with "mistakes". An officer with that type of attitude would not last the first 90 days in a well-run LE agency.

You will find officer-dispatcher talk like this everywhere. I'm pullin out my dispatcher card. You cannot assume that HD's disappearance was not taken seriously because of that tidbit of conversation. The officer was talking to his dispatcher not directly to BD. He went and dealt with it thus doing his job.

 

[redcat]

Okay, I have to pull out my cop-wife card here to let people know that the way that dispatcher and the officer talked is absolutely unprofessional and would not be tolerated at all in a well-run police department. Cops who act like this are an embarassment to the many who chose behave honorably, even when people call over and over, curse them, fight them, threaten their families,or spit in their face.

There will always be places, large and small where people do a crappy job and treat citizens or customers or whomever they serve with disdain. It is wrong, it does lead to bad decisions and has no place in a profession with the serious responsibility of protecting and serving citizens of the USA. That means everyone, even the ones they don't like, no matter who they are.

It doesn't matter who the comments were made to our how often a caller has asked for help. There is no excuse for the whiney, lazy, prejudicial attitude expressed in those calls. It is obvious to me that such an attitude played a big part in how CCPD handled Hailey's disappearance from day one. Cops do deal with horrible situations every day. A callous or prejudiced attitude leads to insufficent attention to important details and haphazard investigations filled with "mistakes". An officer with that type of attitude would not last the first 90 days in a well-run LE agency.

BBM

Going to just agree to disagree with you on this. I stand by our Police Department here in Colorado City.

 

[justus4all]

IMO...the landfills are the key.....to finding any evidence...

IF true....that there have been "hits" by dogs....and a "rumor" of evidence found...and more ongoing searches...with these dogs....and IF TRUE..that BD is going to the landfill.....
IMO...something IS of importance regarding the search of landfill.s...
I would wonder why the LE is escorting BD to these search sites...

Anyone know if this is "routine" in these cases...to escort the parents to the ongoing searches...of their child???.....IMO...

 

[KMouse]

I have thoughts of LE driving EBaker around to find the pieces of little Zahra........

They should drive SA around to see if they could make him sweat.

 

[Mustang Sally]

This is Off Topic...But I just heard on TV that the murder of LA's Ronnie Chason has officially been solved...It was the guy with the last name of Smith who was killed and supposedly and rode the bike.

DEAR GOD..PLEASE BRING HAILEY HOME!

 

[winterrose]

You will find officer-dispatcher talk like this everywhere. I'm pullin out my dispatcher card. You cannot assume that HD's disappearance was not taken seriously because of that tidbit of conversation. The officer was talking to his dispatcher not directly to BD. He went and dealt with it thus doing his job.

Exactly.LOL

 

[txsweetie]

Hello all. I am new here. Have been a member for a while but usually just read. I live in N. Central TX. and I feel for the searchers out there today. It is very cold and windy with some light freezing rain here. They are some awesome individuals to be out in this cold weather.

 

[TGIRecovered]

WHY would they take BD to the landfills????????????

Maybe BD is not the family member LE refers to when they say that some family members are not being forthcoming. I believe she is cooperating as best she can with LE. She obviously is having serious trouble accepting the reality that her boyfriend is probably mentally unstable and capable of terrorizing and possibly murdering an innocent child. I doubt Texas Rangers would take her to a search area if they thought she was conspiring with SA. They have access to all of her communications, if she is talking to or texting SA, they are not clueless...think about it, they took her to talk to him at Grandma's!

 

[peeples]

I here the same kind of banter on our scanner. The other night a dispatcher and an officer were making wise cracks about someones first name Carlton and the fresh prince of BelAire.

After listening to our scanner for only a few weeks, I can tell you who the regulars are in our town.. and I feel for those officers. The other day it was a drunken fight, both beating the crap out of each other, they were seperated for the night, and cops got called back an hour later because the woman decided she wanted her clock from the house.. not a family heirloom or anything. The cops were just being used to "get at" each other.

P.S The officers dutifully escorted her so drunk she could barely stand up self to get her Clock...

 

[justus4all]

Are these searchers today....searching the landfill....or elsewhere????thanks

 

[pufnstuf]

Hello all. I am new here. Have been a member for a while but usually just read. I live in N. Central TX. and I feel for the searchers out there today. It is very cold and windy with some light freezing rain here. They are some awesome individuals to be out in this cold weather.

Welcome to WS, txsweetie. Native Texan here--always good to see others from the lone star state posting.

Hey guys, I just want to thank you all for the great way you are tagging threads, showing topics and post #. Awesome for people like me who can't follow the case really closely right now. Makes it so much easier to find important stuff and stay abreast.

 

[Janeumayer]

I keep thinking this may be two different people making these claims. The hairdresser <modsnip: NO MINORS - NOT EVEN FROM MSM>

It's possible Hailey snuck out of the house during the night too.

BD's remarks: "I didn't touch her" raise a red flag to me and BD & HD had a heated argument over Xmas. BD said her and SA were verbally abusive towards each other and if HD hurled insults at SA, SA may have 'lost it' and physically attacked her. JMO

I don't understand, if Hailey snuck out during the night then why would Shawn say he saw her?