TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #49

[LisaB]

LE has reviewed the Dollar Store tapes for both 12/26 and 12/27 (it was part of of what they did while checking out the hairdresser's claim - hairdresser originally claimed Hailey was walking toward the Dollar Store). Hailey was not there on Monday 12/27; LE has confirmed no sighting on 12/27. Hailey was on video at that location only on Sunday, 12/26.


Imo, if this lady is not lying on behalf of someone else, seems likely she got Sunday and Monday mixed up; like a lot of people on the long holiday weekend (guessing). If the lady has a receipt for Monday 12/27, she may have been by the store both days and just made a mistake about which day she saw Hailey.

Re: JB Sighting
She doesn't do hair on Sunday, so the sighting could NOT have been on Sunday. Furthermore, she stated they were headed TOWARD the Dollar Store. This doesn't mean (to me) that they necessarily went TO the Dollar Store, It's a couple blocks from Jean's shop to the store, so it's a reach to say that she was definitely going there.

Re: Other sighting
On the flip side, if if the receipt is for something like a manicure, the witness probably DIDN'T go both days, and therefore is SURE of the day she saw Hailey with MB and the boy. We really don't have enough information to know.

MO&MOO

 

[gypsyblue]

i thought the other supposed sighting was from a dollar store customer with a receipt??? manicure? im so confused....

 

[CONNIEHU]

Colorado City, Lubbock teen disappearances compared
Lubbock,Colorado Citycases similar

http://www.reporternews.com/news/2011/jan/29/teen-disappearances-compared/

 

[GEORGIAGIRL69]

I didn't make that leap. I was referring to the post that the poster I quoted was guoting. Confused yet??:waitasec:
You'll have to follow the arrows back to where it was said... several pages back, I believe.

I did go back and was unable to locate that post. Can you link it please?

 

[LisaB]

Maybe the 7-yr old wasn't at his mom's on Monday, only on Sunday. That would pretty much rule out the Monday sighting.

Maybe.

 

[Dee10]

I thought LE ruled out ALL sitings on the 27th? Is there a reason we should not believe LE, Rangers & the FBI do not know how to investigate? Sorry, personally I am just not understanding why this is still an issue.

 

[LisaB]

Yes I get that. I have worked here for over 10 years, so I do have some experience with our LE. What I am frustrated with at this point is that PK is now trying to back peddle and make it seem as they were on top of this as a "criminal" investigation from the start. That is not the case as a I see at or as was reported at that time.

BECAUSE you are media, I think that you are a great source for a timeline of what LE told the press, and when. You probably have records/notes to refer to that enable you to be sure of the dates.

 

[cluciano63]

I thought LE ruled out ALL sitings on the 27th? Is there a reason we should not believe LE, Rangers & the FBI do not know how to investigate? Sorry, personally I am just not understanding why this is still an issue.

I guess because Billie keeps bringing them up...

 

[Dee10]

I guess because Billie keeps bringing them up...

Got it! :floorlaugh: :banghead:

 

[LisaB]

Originally Posted by honeybun1807
I remember when you said in one of your posts that all this happened a year ago. So my question to you is this. Has this person been missing for a long time or did he go missing when Hailey went missing.

I think this is important to know. Thank you.

Last year there was a skull found in a trunk of a car or something over in that area!

A skull found in the trunk of a car over where? Can you explain how this is relevant? Do you think it is the person who made the threats? Someone he killed? The person who reported the threats? Tell me more, please???

 

[noneareworthy]

Thanks. I've corrected my notes. You don't happen to have a link handy, do you? Just kidding. I'll find it. I've got a lot of catching up to do.

At any rate, even with the expanded window, all three sightings are possible.

An easy way to determine an "eyewitness" may not be accurate (besides the fact that eyewitnesses--especially after the fact-- are RARELY accurate):

"I saw her walking down the street on Monday. She had on a blue hoodie and shorts."

Video cam catches her at the dollar store with a blue hoodie and shorts on SUNDAY. Hoodie and shorts found in bedroom.

 

[BeanE]

Yes. LE wanted to stay tight-lipped about the bloodhound findings and told Billie so; Billie mentioned that and decided to give her interpretation of the bloodhound results on NG.

Kampfer then made a statement that the bloodhound information that was communicated was inaccurate and could be explained by a lot of things. We since learned the hounds never tracked Hailey to the motel and Hailey was not there in the 30 days of video the hotel kept. The dogs had been taken to several motels and hit on one. It could be a false hit. The dogs would have picked up on scents in places last traveled by Hailey; she was always going towards Clint's and towards MB's direction. Sarx explained about the fact that scents aren't date stamped or anything like that.

Billie's friend had posted about the bloodhounds just after talking to Billie about it. She later asked that her bloodhound-related posts be deleted.

The bloodhound results originally communicated were misleading and have since been dismissed by all according to all reports.

Just for you :blowkiss:

czgtz 12-31-2010, 09:28 PM
- As I was finishing this up, I spoke with Billie, who said that police have brought in bloodhounds. The dogs did pick up a scent. Also, a neighbor saw Hailey on the phone in her backyard for about 30 minutes Monday afternoon. A woman has come forward and said that she is fairly certain that she saw Hailey with another girl and a boy walking late Monday evening. It has also come to light that Hailey had been talking to a boy in a neighboring town. The police are investigating these leads.
Last edited by czgtz; 12-31-2010 at 09:39 PM.

czgtz 01-01-2011, 05:31 PM
OK guys, I have deleted some posts that had information in them that mentioned the bloodhounds. At the request of Hailey’s mom, the only information she wants released about the dogs is that they were brought in to search for a scent. There has been NO confirmation that Hailey was or wasn’t in a particular place anytime since she was last seen at home. As previously mentioned, Hailey has walked to her dad’s house and her friend’s house too many times to count.

I would very greatly appreciate those of you who quoted or questioned me on where the scent led the bloodhounds also edit or delete your posts. Thank you for your understanding and cooperation.

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Nancy Grace January 4

GRACE: What can you tell me about these bloodhounds? We are learning police have brought bloodhounds out to your home, and they went from your home to a local motel?

BILLIE DUNN: Yes. I kind of don`t know what to say now since I heard police were being tight-lipped about it, but I`ll go ahead and say they started toward her dad`s house. They didn`t go there. They stopped, turned around, went to her friend`s, went to that motel, where they told me they`re reviewing video surveillance. There was video surveillance there. But didn`t have much luck there.

GRACE: And what motel is it, Billie? What is the name of the motel?

BILLIE DUNN: Western Inn or Western Suites. It`s a new motel close to my house.

GRACE: How far away is it?

BILLIE DUNN: Three to four blocks.

GRACE: Just three to four blocks.

BILLIE DUNN: Right.

GRACE: And what else did police tell you?

BILLIE DUNN: We hear that another lady says she saw Hailey, her friend and a boy she didn`t recognize Monday evening — it was already dark — walking on the main street by a store. So they`re looking at that video surveillance, too, seeing if that story checks out, see if they can put her somewhere that evening. I`m just told that there are a ton of tips coming in, and they`re checking out everything. And they say when they hear somebody thinks they`ve seen Hailey an hour or two away, they`re running over there, checking video surveillance at a Burger King.

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January 4, 2011 at 10:30 p.m.

On Friday, bloodhounds were taken to the six motels in Colorado City. At Western Suites, which is located at 2233 Vine Street and is adjacent to Interstate 20 and near the Dunn home, the dogs picked up on Dunn’s scent in the parking lot, City Manager Pete Kampfer said Tuesday night.

The scent led to a door of a ground-floor room at the two-level motel that opened in July, he said, but there the trail stopped. A search of the 24 suites produced no other evidence, he said.

Cristie Roye, manager of Western Suites, said police studied surveillance tapes but did not see the missing teen. Motel staff, she said, did not recall seeing the teenager, either.

http://www.reporternews.com/news/2011/jan/04/hed-help-herey-hed-help-herey/

 

[LisaB]

So they bloodhounds tracked Hailey to a specific room according to this article. I dont know why this article and the bloodhound were debunked Can anyone tell me?

Originally Posted by Leomoon80
http://m.reporternews.com/news/2011/...ed-help-herey/

On Friday, bloodhounds were taken to the six motels in Colorado City. At Western Suites, which is located at 2233 Vine Street and is adjacent to Interstate 20 and near the Dunn home, the dogs picked up on Dunn’s scent in the parking lot, City Manager Pete Kampfer said Tuesday night.

The scent led to a door of a ground-floor room at the two-level motel that opened in July, he said, but there the trail stopped. A search of the 24 suites produced no other evidence, he said.

Cristie Roye, manager of Western Suites, said police studied surveillance tapes but did not see the missing teen. Motel staff, she said, did not recall seeing the teenager, either.

Because the trail stopped at the door to the room, Hailey did not appear on the surveillance tapes, and the motel staff did not recall seeing her. IIRC they also spoke with the people who were registered the day she disappeared.

Subsequent to the article you posted, LE clarified that the dogs did not LEAD to the hotel, but when TAKEN there, indicated that Hailey's scent was there.

It's been said that the hotel has unprotected wifi and the kids would sometimes go there with phones or iPods to use their internet connection, which might explain the dogs finding her scent in the parking lot.

 

[yllek]

Re: JB Sighting
She doesn't do hair on Sunday, so the sighting could NOT have been on Sunday. Furthermore, she stated they were headed TOWARD the Dollar Store. This doesn't mean (to me) that they necessarily went TO the Dollar Store, It's a couple blocks from Jean's shop to the store, so it's a reach to say that she was definitely going there.

Re: Other sighting
On the flip side, if if the receipt is for something like a manicure, the witness probably DIDN'T go both days, and therefore is SURE of the day she saw Hailey with MB and the boy. We really don't have enough information to know.

MO&MOO

Okay. If there is some reason why we should believe that LE/FBI doesn't know how to verify a possible sighting, I can't think of it. I also see no reason for them to have a conspiracy against any of these proclaimed witnesses nor BD. LE has repeatedly made it clear they are having challenges with time line - I trust that they would love to have as much info as possible about Hailey's whereabouts before she was reported missing.

Also, I fully trust that all LE agencies and the FBI who were involved in investigating the sightings have enough sense to compare a receipt for 12/27 against the video surveillance at that sight, and that they have vetting criteria and questions that are more sophisticated than your's or mine. They would have asked the lady with the receipt a lot of questions to rule the sighting in or out if she indeed reported seeing Hailey. The only place I've heard about receipt lady is on this board. If it was reported, it was ruled out.

We can agree to disagree, no prob. I trust that the few reported sightings of Hailey on 12/27 were addressed by the professionals and they ruled out these for good reason. You aren't trusting of that and have "what if" scenarios to challenge LE's conclusions. I respect your opinions on this matter and just don't agree. :seeya:

 

[LisaB]

What in God's name has this poor little 13 year old girl done that she is being accused of lying and hiding things in the investigation of the disappearance of her friend?

For the love of God.

Between the bashing of her, and the bashing of the poor little 7 year old boy, well, I just don't know what to say.

We have a NAMED SUSPECT - Shawn Adkins. Have people found evidence on their own indicating this 13 year old girl and the 7 year old boy were his accomplices? Because I know there sure as heck has not been a single blessed thing like that in a single MSM article.

The bashing and finger pointing at innocent adults, particularly Clint, the father and a victim in this case, is bad enough, but when it's done to children, over and over and over again, it gets to a point where I just can't stand it.

I did not mean to suggest that MB or her mother DID have anything to hide. Which was why I stated that the interview (not interrogation) with LE should not have been traumatic. Traumatic is when your friend disappears on the way to your house. It should not be traumatic to be a part of the effort to find her. I wondered why it was so horrible. Was LE abusive or accusatory? I should hope not, since, as you point out, she is a child of 13.

 

[BeanE]

Re: JB Sighting
She doesn't do hair on Sunday, so the sighting could NOT have been on Sunday. Furthermore, she stated they were headed TOWARD the Dollar Store. This doesn't mean (to me) that they necessarily went TO the Dollar Store, It's a couple blocks from Jean's shop to the store, so it's a reach to say that she was definitely going there.

Re: Other sighting
On the flip side, if if the receipt is for something like a manicure, the witness probably DIDN'T go both days, and therefore is SURE of the day she saw Hailey with MB and the boy. We really don't have enough information to know.

MO&MOO

I'll bet you a :beagle: that sometimes she does hair on Sundays.

 

[peeples]

A skull found in the trunk of a car over where? Can you explain how this is relevant? Do you think it is the person who made the threats? Someone he killed? The person who reported the threats? Tell me more, please???

Found it and it wasn't a year ago, it was a month ago LOL Kids have the flu so i'm kinda running on empty

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[peeples]

Here it is, i guess found Dec. 2010. So it was just last month. not last year.. sorry.. tired LOL

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[Samigirl28]

This is all my opinion:

After everything we have learned and not learned, I beleive that HD was taken out of her home sometime between 6:30 and 7:00am that morning.

I think that DD left the house around 9pm and afterwards BD and SA hung out for a time. We know from the affidavits that BD admitted to buying drugs on 12/27, but what if they had some remaining on the 26th? Perhaps they partied for awhile and then BD went to bed, knowing she had work the next day. SA is left alone to do whatever. Perhaps he never went to bed, chatted with buddies, watched movies, etc...
The next morning he has either been up all night, wired, doesn't feel like going to work, but decides to put in an appearance. BD gets up and is tired as well. She goes to work, but maybe she never does check on HD. It doesn't really matter if she was alive then. She heads to work. SA realizes he doesn't want to be at work, so he takes a glance at the boss and grabs a soda, and leaves.
When he gets home he realizes that he is alone with HD and decides to live out a fantasy. She is startled and puts up a struggle. He knocks her out and takes her to another location, where he kills her, somewhere he feels comfortable, maybe where those cameras were, with the missing film cards, and disposes of the body. He then proceeds to his mother's where he makes some calls and tries to get composed, act normal, check the computer, etc...
He heads home and arrives there about 3:15. He spends a little time trying to clean up the bedroom. If she wasn't killed there though, there may not be that bad of a mess, evidence to worry about. SA is exhausted at this point, having been up for many hours. He had locked the door to clean up, so noone would interrupt him, but now he's just pooped and falls into a deep, but brief sleep. He is awakened, startled at 4pm by DD because they are not even used to locking their doors. He needs to compose himself, so he has that "deer in the headlights" look. After that is handled he settles down, and heads out to get BD and have another night of fun times, buying drugs, etc...
The next day he continues the charade of having a job to go, maybe even did go there where he was let go for his actions the previous day. We've heard that he was not fired on the 27th because up until then he was a good employee. Maybe he was fired on the 28th? Or maybe he never went back. He proceeds to revisit everything one more time, HD's place of disposal, etc... and then returns once more, ready to act out a new role, the worried boyfriend.

I think that BD didn't have anything to do with it. I think she is definitely still in love with SA and wants to beleive in him more than anything. I do beleive that if he is never arrested, she will get back together with him.

I think two pieces of evidence are crucial that we don't know:

1. Where did that 2pm cell phone call ping from? They still won't tell us.

2. They don't beleive any of the 12/27 citings.

When I heard about all the masks, horror movies, etc..I was disturbed, but did not think that that meant he was a murderer, just that he has "interesting" hobbies. It's the evidence though - it all points to him.

 

[SNOWINMEMPHIS]

Stupid question not meant to accuse anyone (think maybe the answer is on here and I just missed it):
Is it known that SA and BD didn't trade cells the day Hailey disappeared?
TIA