TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #49

[TGIRecovered]

Yes really....from that same article.

Within 24 hours of finding out about Hailey's disappearance, Colorado City officials requested an Amber Alert to help find the missing girl but were denied three times. Police were told that there was not enough information available about her disappearance to issue an alert.

This is what I would call spin...as in CYA. The fact is that the information that CCPD released to the public was this, (1-02-11)

http://www.ktxs.com/big_country_news/26345660/detail.html

Because police do not believe Hailey has met with foul play, a statewide Amber Alert has not been issued.
According to an article posted Friday on the Colorado City Record website, Bivins said his department considers Hailey a runaway.
“That’s what the evidence shows at the time,” Bivins said.

Other agencies began to consider other possibilities, but CCPD stood firm in calling her runaway until pressure from Hailey's family and the media forced them to admit that she might have met with foul play.

I'm sure we all remember Sparky's famous quote about Hailey "hiding", which was reported many days in to the investigation.

 

[CONNIEHU]

I still come back to this timeline....ALL IS MOO

I think that what ever happened to Hailey happened or was covered up between 6:30-9:00 on 12/27

5:30am Shawn leaves for work
6:00am Billie "thinks" she saw Hailey in her bed/bedroom
6:10 Shawn leaves place of employment
6:20 Billie leave home for work
6:30 ***Shawns phone pings that he is in CC at home***

7-9am Shawns phone does not ping nothing nada Plenty of time to coverup and get to BS
9:00am Shawns phone again starts to ping at his MOMs house in Big Spring
3:00pm Shawn back @ Haileys house in CC
3:15pm Hailey (according to Shawn) leaves home going to MB/Dads house?

BD had not seen Hailey since 900pm the night of 12/26 and didnt realize she was missing til Noon on 12/28 when DD was to text MB.

I just keep coming back to the time of 6:30am-9:00am on 12/27 as to when she may have met her demise or the coverup of something that might have happened in the wee hours Sun 12/26.

I Would really like to see a detailed description to the happenings as BD remembers.

 

[TxLady2]

Respectfully, how did you make the leap that MB was required to provide a timeline or that she was hiding something?

I didn't make that leap. I was referring to the post that the poster I quoted was guoting. Confused yet??:waitasec:
You'll have to follow the arrows back to where it was said... several pages back, I believe.

 

[Kamille]

I can just imagine. I've found myself rewinding over and over the same 20-30 second snips from NG interviews to make heads or tails of some statements. :loser: The thing with JB's statement, though, is that she claimed to have seen Hailey during a window of time when there was no other sighting reported. She's an objective third party, as far as I know. Should be a no brainer, unless they have stronger evidence to refute it. And I'm dying to know what they've got.

Actually there is another siting at this time. The neighbor who saw her at noon on the phone in the backyard by herself. Which was promoted heavily by BD in the beginning.

MOO

 

[redcat]

This is what I would call spin...as in CYA. The fact is that the information that CCPD released to the public was this, (1-02-11)

http://www.ktxs.com/big_country_news/26345660/detail.html

Because police do not believe Hailey has met with foul play, a statewide Amber Alert has not been issued.
According to an article posted Friday on the Colorado City Record website, Bivins said his department considers Hailey a runaway.
“That’s what the evidence shows at the time,” Bivins said.

Other agencies began to consider other possibilities, but CCPD stood firm in calling her runaway until pressure from Hailey's family and the media forced them to admit that she might have met with foul play.

I'm sure we all remember Sparky's famous quote about Hailey "hiding", which was reported many days in to the investigation.

Bless you...I was trying to find the specific article too..lol. CYA is exactly what PK is trying to do...

 

[TGIRecovered]

And if they disappeared long ago, could they have been visiting in town over the holidays?

I think you make a very good point. I wonder who this person might have been visiting? I would guess it would most likely be family, since it was Christmas-time.

 

[Kamille]

Yes I read the article..what I am meaning is that is certainly different from the story we (locals) got from LE at the start.

What story did you get at the start? If LE were focusing on the family right away, I'm sure they wouldn't have told anyone about it.

 

[TGIRecovered]

All indications are that CCPD was not focusing on anyone during the first days of this investigation. They stated in the early comments to the press that they had finished questioning everyone and followed every lead, coming to the conclusion that there was no evidence of foul play. You can read this in the articles from the C-city newspaper starting from Dec. 29.

This is why Billie was so insistent on seeking out more media coverage and more involvement from outside agencies...if BD had done something to hurt Hailey or had any involvement at all, she could have accepted CCPD's half-hearted (MOO) efforts and their conclusion that she ran away. CCPD was not even looking at SA as a suspect at the time...CCPD did not suspect foul play.

This is why, regardles of the jumbled stories and LDT info, I believe that the problem with this case is the CCPD's inability to conduct a proper investigation. Billie didn't do this. I don't know who did, but SA is looking very hinky. This latest possible bumbling by CCPD is just more reason to question thier ability to find out what happened to Hailey.

I have never, ever had such a low opinion of an entire police agency. I would normally have confidence that even if one officer messed up, someone else would catch the mistake and fix it. I truly do not believe that there is anyone at CCPD who is able to insure the integrity of reports, affadavits, interviews, evidence collection, crime scene investigation, or lie detector tests. I do not believe that they were particularly forthcoming with the more experienced agencies who have tried to help find Hailey.

This is all just my personal opinion, based upon the contradictions in the affadavits, recordings of 911 calls, possible inability to find the threatening man, neglect of evidence collection until other agencies re-started the investigation, and failure to see what everyone else saw, which was a little girl who was in immediate danger and who needed much, much more help than (IMO) three overworked, underpaid, inexperienced officers could provide.

 

[Kamille]

This is what I would call spin...as in CYA. The fact is that the information that CCPD released to the public was this, (1-02-11)

http://www.ktxs.com/big_country_news/26345660/detail.html

Because police do not believe Hailey has met with foul play, a statewide Amber Alert has not been issued.
According to an article posted Friday on the Colorado City Record website, Bivins said his department considers Hailey a runaway.
“That’s what the evidence shows at the time,” Bivins said.

Other agencies began to consider other possibilities, but CCPD stood firm in calling her runaway until pressure from Hailey's family and the media forced them to admit that she might have met with foul play.

I'm sure we all remember Sparky's famous quote about Hailey "hiding", which was reported many days in to the investigation.

Perhaps because all the tips that were coming in at the time were leading them to believe that she had an older boyfriend and that she was seen with MB and another boy on the Monday night. And seen during the day. It appeared to be a classic case of lying about spending the night with a friend to spend time with another friend that your parent's wouldn't approve of.

MOO

 

[yllek]

I wonder what happened with this witness? We know the Dollar Store and the Alco both have surveillance cameras. If this woman has a receipt dated Monday, and she shows up on video tape on Monday, I don't understand how LE is saying no sightings of Hailey have been corroborated on Monday.

LE has reviewed the Dollar Store tapes for both 12/26 and 12/27 (it was part of of what they did while checking out the hairdresser's claim - hairdresser originally claimed Hailey was walking toward the Dollar Store). Hailey was not there on Monday 12/27; LE has confirmed no sighting on 12/27. Hailey was on video at that location only on Sunday, 12/26.


Imo, if this lady is not lying on behalf of someone else, seems likely she got Sunday and Monday mixed up; like a lot of people on the long holiday weekend (guessing). If the lady has a receipt for Monday 12/27, she may have been by the store both days and just made a mistake about which day she saw Hailey.

 

[Jacie Estes]

You know, some mothers get very jealous and upset when a child of theirs says they want to live with the other parent. I remember my own stepdaughter saying this to her mom, and her mom would be in tears and lay the guilt-trip on her. (Years later and now at 13, she moved in with us last June.)

If BD is part responsible for the disappearance of Hailey, could it be that she didn't want CD to have her? Perhaps she was very mad at Hailey for wanting to move in with CD? Perhaps very jealous?

Heck, men whose wives leave them do this very act of making them disappear because if they can't have them, no one else will.

I do think this altercation at Christmastime holds the key here. And Hailey would definitely have told MB everything as they were best friends. Hailey had no one else who would listen to her. IMO

Hailey's father's actions are to be commended; he is actively searching for his child. His concern is written on his face, you can see this has affected him. What is bd doing to search? Her 'deer in the headlights' look is puzzling to me. She reminds me of a little kid who is thinking up the fib while they are saying it. JMO

 

[TxLady2]

LE in Portland didn't have any problem putting a picture of Dede Spicher on a poster to ask if anyone had seen her around the school on June 4th. I don't know why LE in CC couldn't do the same, if there is a person they are looking for.

Well, I think that was a little different, IMO. They probably had good reason at the time to believe DeDe was an accomplice to kidnapping or worse. In this situation, merely a threat a year ago is not enough to label the man a suspect in Hailey's disappearance without more evidence. Just a guess.

It really depends on how serious LE thinks this mystery man is. My guess is, they're not taking it too seriously, since the information came from a 3rd party, so we are told. And normally, FBI has access to a lot of databases in order to look for this man without having to make it public. So why wouldn't they keep it simple rather than complicated?

I do understand your thinking, and am not disagreeing with you... just saying that LE has different ways of doing things in different states.

A bit OT, but I thought the way Portland handled that was a bit odd myself, but that's just me.

 

[Sheik]

Perhaps because all the tips that were coming in at the time were leading them to believe that she had an older boyfriend and that she was seen with MB and another boy on the Monday night. And seen during the day. It appeared to be a classic case of lying about spending the night with a friend to spend time with another friend that your parent's wouldn't approve of.

MOO

There's no telling what BD may have been saying at the time as well. Her statements as we all know have been very inconsistent since the get go.

As for the AE, one would think there is a record somewhere that is kept of all request whether an alert is issued or not.

 

[passionflower]

I'm convinced that Hailey was gone the night of 12/26 or morning of 12/27 since she was NOT on Dollar Store video! (12/27)

 

[Kamille]

LE has reviewed the Dollar Store tapes for both 12/26 and 12/27 (it was part of of what they did while checking out the hairdresser's claim - hairdresser originally claimed Hailey was walking toward the Dollar Store). Hailey was not there on Monday 12/27; LE has confirmed no sighting on 12/27. Hailey was on video at that location only on Sunday, 12/26.


Imo, if this lady is not lying on behalf of someone else, seems likely she got Sunday and Monday mixed up; like a lot of people on the long holiday weekend (guessing). If the lady has a receipt for Monday 12/27, she may have been by the store both days and just made a mistake about which day she saw Hailey.

And while a 7 year old may not be a credible witness, he might have been able to state that he only went to the store with HD recently. Because if he was with her on the Monday as well as the Sunday, then they went somewhere else other than the store since there is no surveillance of them that day. Where else could they have been for 21/2 hours? Someone else would surely have seen them.

MOO

 

[bessie]

Actually there is another siting at this time. The neighbor who saw her at noon on the phone in the backyard by herself. Which was promoted heavily by BD in the beginning.

MOO

True, but JB's window is 10:30-12:00. So both sightings could be true. They can't be dismissed based on a time conflict.

 

[redcat]

What story did you get at the start? If LE were focusing on the family right away, I'm sure they wouldn't have told anyone about it.

That they were classifying her as a runaway. Now PK is saying that "within 48 hours" they were leaning toward a criminal investigation.

ETA: I am media here in C-City btw.

 

[Kamille]

True, but JB's window is 10:30-12:00. So both sightings could be true. They can't be dismissed based on a time conflict.

Nope that window has expanded to 1pm.

 

[Kamille]

That they were classifying her as a runaway. Now PK is saying that "within 48 hours" they were leaning toward a criminal investigation.

ETA: I am media here in C-City btw.

I understand they were running parallel investigations. And if the criminal side was including the family, I'm pretty sure they weren't going to be telling the media.

MOO

 

[cluciano63]

Even locals here on WS were saying as late as Dec. 31st that the talk was about Hailey and an "older boyrfriend", which, while apparenly untrue, would have an effect on LE.


By the time Hailey was reported missing, she had been gone at least 24 hours, if not longer. Usually a child is reported missing within hours. And then LE has to start to try to figure out the situation, which takes more time. I think they initially had indications that Hailey could be a runaway; they probably heard about her staying elsewhere whenever possible, etc...I think LE's biggest mistake so far in this case was not so much their reaction as their statements...they made some doozies early on...