TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #52

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  • #781
Where did u read that? Link? BTW..this cold front is brutal! I hope you are staying indoors today!

I will find a link. It is awful. The wind howling and the sleet and ice hitting the windows went on and on all night. The wind is still blowing. Yes, staying in as I have had the flu since Friday. Airport was even closed for awhile. Everyone worried about the Superbowl parties. I will go find that post because it was something I had not heard or seen discussed here. BRB
 
  • #782
i am personally offended.. as my son .... that I adopted at birth and is darker than me or my husband... is dark... huge offense...HUGE....

I am not 100% sure what the appropriate, politically correct term is. If she had said "dark-skinned boy" would that have been okay? I am not being sarcastic. For a while it was rude to say "negro" and the accepted term was "black". Then "black" was rejected in favor of "African American".

But not all people with dark brown skin are of African descent. So, is there a generic term, (in the way "latino" covers a broad spectrum of "ethnicities") for all dark-skinned (if that is ok to say?) people that I am not aware of?

There are a lot of children of mixed race, and every shade of tan-brown. It can be hard to define someone's race based on their coloring. If a child is half Chinese and half Nigerian, or Half Mexican and half Jamaican, what's the appropriate term? Mixed race? It may not be immediately apparent to some people that they ARE of mixed race. And if a child is born to two mixed race parents, does the term mixed race apply, or is it reserved for cases where the child's PARENTS are of two races?

A friend's daughter had a best friend from kindergarten through high school, who he assumed was Latina for a long time. He was surprised to learn she was the child of a pink mother and a brown father, and immediately tried to recall if he had ever said anything racist or told a racist joke around her. It taught him not to tell racist jokes around ANYONE!

I don't want to be sent to a corner, but can someone explain please, what the appropriate term for a child like the one Billie is attempting to describe would be. I don't want to offend someone due to my own ignorance.
 
  • #783
IMO, there are several areas of the US with different dialects and speech patterns, and Texas would be one of them. IMO, Maine is another one. I have been laughed at a few times when speaking in Maine, :crazy: and on my side, there have been a few old-timer Maine types I have had to struggle to understand.

IMO, though, BD's and even PK's speech patterns are not really a Texas thing. I know a few people whose 'speech patterns' resemble this, and one of them is Florida born and bred.

Oh, Lordy! I was born and raised in Texas. My hubby was born and raised in Kansas. It took him awhile to understand what I was saying sometimes.
For instance: I would say I was going to run to the store. He would ask me why I didn't just get in the car and drive.
His whole family laughs at the way I talk.... even though some of them have lived in Texas for 30 years, they do NOT speak Texan.
And when I hear an old-timer from Maine speaking, I don't understand half of what they're saying.
Just saying.
 
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Well I am also a mother of a racially mixed child and I personally think that there are much better ways to refer to any human being than by making a reference to the color of their skin.

Furthermore, there was no basis for dragging this innocent child back into the picture. LE has already repeatedly discredited that siting.

We can just agree to disagree on this one. However, IMO, the fact that she even brought him up speaks VOLUMES about who she really is.

ITA.....it wasn't in any way helpful to even MENTION the child, but the combination of TWO terms that are both individually considered racially derogatory when referring to those of AA descent compounded the offense. If she had to mention other children, it was completely unnecessary to say anything other than " a younger child".

jmo
 
  • #787
Grandmaj, I desperately want a forum for Hailey lol. Could you please review the areas we need to change and improve our behavior in order to get one?

Thanks!
BeanE
 
  • #788
In general, when trying to describe someone, I think appearance has everything to do with recognition. Whether it be the color of their hair, eyes, long hair, short hair, piercings, etc. Most Texans have a tan, so the person could have been of any race.

Frankly, I will be glad when we are all of one race, the human race.
 
  • #789
why did BD have to pacify herself by seeing Hailey in the morning in her bed?
ad BD was used to her children runing all over the place,
stayig with who ever and not at home,
so why the panic when Haley wasn't home by noon?
BD suspected something JMOO

I don't think it is unusual for a Mom to want her daughter to come home midday after a sleepover. Maybe BD was bothered by the fact (IF true) that she told her BF that she was going instead of getting permission from her Mom. That might have been bugging her, and she wanted exercise some parental authority. Probably not, just a thought. Then when she was told that HD was never there, she should have felt panic, which it seems she did. In a much earlier public appearance, I also thought I heard her say she went to friends houses to look for HD.
 
  • #790
I will find a link. It is awful. The wind howling and the sleet and ice hitting the windows went on and on all night. The wind is still blowing. Yes, staying in as I have had the flu since Friday. Airport was even closed for awhile. Everyone worried about the Superbowl parties. I will go find that post because it was something I had not heard or seen discussed here. BRB

Thanks! Yes even here we are freezing. The wind is blowing really bad and we are even expecting some snow on Thurs/Fri. I had my AC on yesterday! TX weather...u gotta love it!
 
  • #791
I find it very offensive that a 7 year old child is being singled out and described in this way. We are not defined by the color of our skin. Be it white, black, brown, or any other color.

Not defined but described.
If police are looking for a woman in a green jacket it helps the description to know the color of a person's skin or what their racial appearance is.
"The suspect is described as a white female wearing a green jacket".

Nothing is meant by it other than a descriptor.
 
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Perhaps this person didn't know whether the child was AA. Perhaps the child was Hispanic or simply tanned.

or Indian, or Nigerian or Jamaican or even Canadian! lol or a combo of all of the above.

Here's a NEWSFLASH.......... not all black/dark skinned people are AA.... and not all AA people are dark skinned.
 
  • #794
Here's one of the articles about item(s) of interest taken from the house and shed. There's more than one article.

http://www.ccitynews.net/news/story/2011/01/rumors-missing-boyfriend-unfounded

I don't know how many articles there are, but this is the one I was referring to.

While we are on the subject, I wonder what the statement below, copied from the article means.

That there were a number of failed polygraphs was, however, confirmed by a family friend, now staying at the Dunn residence on 1804 Chestnut.

Thank you.
 
  • #795
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Originally Posted by sorrell skye View Post
Yes - Elizabeth's Olten's murderer - Alyssa Bustamante - wanted to "know what it felt like".

Based on what we've read & heard about SA - I would not be surprised if evidence arises to support a similar scenario. I speculated about it awhile ago.

That's what I'm thinking too.

And yet she is still friendly with him:eek:
 
  • #796
Truth; I agree with your earlier post that no matter how Billie phrased it, if she had no involvement or knowledge, she desperately wishes somebody, anybody, would have confirmed that Hailey was where SA said she was. I can also see why she wouldn't have called Hailey and just plain wishes she had, or that Hailey had called her. The "what ifs" have got to be heartwrenching for parents in these case.

Regarding LE's early handling of the case, I was just posting on the same subject so decided to jump off your post.

I think if we had the same information as LE about Hailey's recent background, it would clear some things up regarding the investigation strategy. I think LE makes mistakes all the time; law enforcement is simply a group of people doing its just job to the best of its ability with the information at hand. In this case, as opposed a few others I've followed, I don't see where LE blundered it in the initial stages at all. I don't think LE will release some sensitive information about Hailey's life, nor will the family. Appears they are on the same page in this regards. But here's what we do know:

-Hailey had lived away from home and changed schools at least once in the last year (from DB, not refuted by Billie or Clint).
-Billie and Shawn had a rocky relationship, in Billie's in own words, and there were at least three 911 calls on the same day where the two involved LE and accused each other of having the intent to possibly steel, enter without permission, kill Hailey's mom and dad in a memorable way, take the other one's drugs...
-Hailey was a "daddy's girl", if we take what Billie's friend posted her as fact, and she told her friend MB and a family friend DB that she wanted to live with her dad (Billie has never refuted that Hailey didn't live away from her for periods of time, nor has she refuted that Hailey had been talking about wanting to live with Clint).

Enter Law Enforcement:
LE gets a visit from Billie to report Hailey missing. She's 13 and they've been to Billie's house to follow up on turmoil in the house at least a couple of time in one day. There may have been more. They probably contact a few close family members and friends right away (including MB) to confirm that Hailey is not there - standard procedure. They likely ask some questions that reveal that yes, while Hailey hasn't necessarily run away before, she has left the house for more than just overnight stays at a young age. They probably also hear that Hailey doesn't like mom's boyfriend who is living in the house.
To me, LE would have been ignorant not to consider the possibility of Hailey being a runaway right from the start; she may well be in hiding and not want to be found. In case she's not, they try 3 times to get an Amber alert issued, but the case doesn't fit the criteria.

Meanwhile, LE is physically looking for Hailey and continuing conversations with family and friends. In this process, they are getting inconsistent statements and it is not clear when any blood relatives last saw Hailey alive; it's been a least 1 1/2 days if you count DD's 9 p.m. on 12/26 sighting at the house. In talking with Billie, they learn that SA came home early from work at 1:00 pm 12/27 and his story of what Hailey said. Meanwhile, in talking with SA they learn he claims to have actually gotten home at 3:00 that day and hadn't gone to work at all; he claims he never told Billie he quit/got fired, whatever. Major red flags start waving for LE at this point. They still think Hailey could be a runaway who doesn't want to be found, but also see stories and time lines at the house are not matching up and it's also possible that someone committed a crime against Hailey. Other agencies are brought in, SA's computer is seized, the car is processed, the sheets are taken, the phones of SA and BD are taken into evidence... They are working a parallel investigation within 2 days of the missing person's report; that is clear by the acquisition of SA's computer from his mom's house on 12/30 - as noted in affidavits. Searches continue by LE and community volunteers, hoping Hailey is in hiding and there is no "foul play" involved - so far there is no evidence to support it, However, LE has good reason to believe that Hailey could have been harmed and they therefore continue the criminal investigation, LDTs, interrogations, etc.. to try to narrow down possibilities.

Point is, I fail to see LE as messing this case up at the beginning because they considered and commented about the possibilities or runaway, hiding, no evidence of foul play, and criminal investigation all in a short period of time. I would think they messed up if all the above were not considered and investigated in quick succession and in parallel, just as LE has stated as the case progressed.

JMO....

Awesome post.
 
  • #797
or Indian, or Nigerian or Jamaican or even Canadian! lol or a combo of all of the above.

Here's a NEWSFLASH.......... not all black/dark skinned people are AA.... and not all AA people are dark skinned.

Exactly correct, however, the child being referred to is not MISSING, is not INVOLVED, and there was absolutely no need to be providing a description of that child to the media or referring in any way to who he MIGHT be.

jmo
 
  • #798
I think it was part of "humanizing Hailey". People sort of smile a little about Hailey being a bit of a tomboy who accidentally broke a window with a ball. It tells you something about the kind of girl she was.

I bet Billie would LOVE to have Hailey back home breaking more windows. :)

Bouncing off your post, but I agree.

I don't think there is any big story about the broken window. She's just clarifying how the window got broken, in case somebody might think an intruder broke the window to get inside to steal Hailey.

Never did understand the reasoning of putting a lock on a door with a window directly above it. The windows can be so easily broken in order to reach inside and unlock the door. Just one of life's little mysteries, I guess.
 
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honestly, I don't think whether she calls it a house or a home makes any difference whatsoever. To me, it's kind of like a dialect. We speak English in this country (or mostly, anyway)...but look at all the different accents. There are also different ways of saying the same thing...for instance, people down south "mash" their buttons. When I first heard that, I thought people were taking hammers to their phone buttons. Here, we "push" buttons....

JMO IMO :cow:
 
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