TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #53

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  • #141
what the heck does this mean?


"Kampfer said Hailey's family may not be aware of everything being done in the case because law enforcement tries to keep "intelligence going backward."


:banghead::banghead:

That is also from redcat's link
 
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  • #143
Ok next question grasshoppers.

6:35-6:56 pinging at home. Followed by "NO PHONE USAGE" from 9:38-2:40.

Are we counting the driving time to get in and out of this towers range, or do we think he was at home the whole 21 minutes. And did he make the phone unpingable, or are we back to driving time out of tower range?

And after you get through reading that skewed verbiage, what I'm asking is, how many minutes do you think he was actually at the home........I'm thinking 10 tops unless he stealth-ed the phone. Thoughts?????????????
I'm right there with ya ole Master!

At the home just long enough to grab something out of that shed, put it in the trunk and be back on his way. All that is, of course, JMO!
 
  • #144
Didn't Kampfer at one point state that if the body was found there would be an arrest? :waitasec:I just can't wrap my head around that thought. Either there is evidence linking Shawn to a crime or there isn't. Cases are prosecuted all the time without a body. I simply do not believe if they find the body there will be an arrest. IMO They have zero evidence linking Shawn to any crime, let alone linking him to the body of Hailey. IMO They simply do not know what happened to Hailey or even IF she is indeed dead or who took her.:maddening:

I could be wrong, but I don't think so.

Well, LE said they won't name anyone POI without probable cause, and since Shawn is named a lofty step even above that, they must have probable cause.

It's really a matter of money, I think. No body cases take longer, take more work, and are more expensive, so if they can possibly get more evidence that more towards the 'slam dunk' side, they do.

Meanwhile, especially with a named POI or suspect, if the person tries to bolt, they can go ahead and arrest and charge to contain them, and the prosecutor can take it to trial - he's just not going to see his wife and kids much until the trial is over.
 
  • #145
My opinion is that whatever happened in there isn't something that luminol would find. I've never had the feeling that there was a messy crime scene.
I wasn't thinking Messy as in a slaughter, but maybe just a small amount ! But I do know the TR are thorough. So we can trust wait and see. IMO
 
  • #146
Ok next question grasshoppers.

6:35-6:56 pinging at home. Followed by "NO PHONE USAGE" from 9:38-2:40.

Are we counting the driving time to get in and out of this towers range, or do we think he was at home the whole 21 minutes. And did he make the phone unpingable, or are we back to driving time out of tower range?

And after you get through reading that skewed verbiage, what I'm asking is, how many minutes do you think he was actually at the home........I'm thinking 10 tops unless he stealth-ed the phone. Thoughts?????????????

I think he stopped by to remove Hailey from the home before it got daylight. I used to think she was alive and well at that point, but I'm not so sure anymore...
 
  • #147
THUD!!!
Ok, I know I am not crazy, his latest version is totally different. :banghead:

I'm positive I read the statement I attributed to him before this new statement of his. I don't have it handy and would have to do a ton of reading to find it, ( unless someone else has it handy) but I will if I have to.

HE does about as much backpeddlein and story changin as BD.....go figure
 
  • #148
Ok next question grasshoppers.

6:35-6:56 pinging at home. Followed by "NO PHONE USAGE" from 9:38-2:40.

Are we counting the driving time to get in and out of this towers range, or do we think he was at home the whole 21 minutes. And did he make the phone unpingable, or are we back to driving time out of tower range?

And after you get through reading that skewed verbiage, what I'm asking is, how many minutes do you think he was actually at the home........I'm thinking 10 tops unless he stealth-ed the phone. Thoughts?????????????

I'm thinking while he was at the home, the darn phone kept alerting so he turned it off.

MOO
 
  • #149
what the heck does this mean?


"Kampfer said Hailey's family may not be aware of everything being done in the case because law enforcement tries to keep "intelligence going backward."


:banghead::banghead:

That is also from redcat's link

LOL, that one got me too! Wouldn't you want intelligence to be going forward in a case???? :waitasec:
 
  • #150
Didn't Kampfer at one point state that if the body was found there would be an arrest? :waitasec:I just can't wrap my head around that thought. Either there is evidence linking Shawn to a crime or there isn't. Cases are prosecuted all the time without a body. I simply do not believe if they find the body there will be an arrest. IMO They have zero evidence linking Shawn to any crime, let alone linking him to the body of Hailey. IMO They simply do not know what happened to Hailey or even IF she is indeed dead or who took her.:maddening:

I could be wrong, but I don't think so.

bbm~

I believe there is LOTS of evidence against SA..enough so that as I said earlier LE didn't find it necessary to poly anyone except those few. THAT was not an oversight imo..But since in this country we have a right to a speedy trial and can not be tried more than once for the same crime..LE or more importantly the State Attorney is not going to give the go ahead for an arrest of anyone until they feel they have "Proof Beyond A Reasonable Doubt" in a Court of Law...It happens ALL of the time..Look how long it took to arrest Drew Peterson.and he still isn't charged with the murder of Stacy AFAIK..

Tick Tock...is the sound of SA's time running out. IMHO, his days are numbered...and HIS time line of events are what BD feels is the BEST time-line to use to find her daughter when she nor us have any idea what cards LE is holding and what evidence they have? They have enough to call him a suspect! That could make some feel that finding Hailey is not as important to her as making sure SA is in the clear..and yes, I am one that is wondering that..and wondering why she or anyone is presumptuous enough to believe that they know more than LE? That's the tail wagging the dog IMO..
 
  • #151
what the heck does this mean?


"Kampfer said Hailey's family may not be aware of everything being done in the case because law enforcement tries to keep "intelligence going backward."


:banghead::banghead:

That is also from redcat's link

Is the word "from" missing from that sentence?
 
  • #152
what the heck does this mean?


"Kampfer said Hailey's family may not be aware of everything being done in the case because law enforcement tries to keep "intelligence going backward."


:banghead::banghead:

That is also from redcat's link

That made me laugh out loud - for real! Did he actually say that? :confused:
 
  • #153
Redcat, can you tell me if "City" manager, Kampfer speaks for all the city, county, and state LE involved in this investigation?

Well...that is the perception at this point, but I think that needs to be clarified and if I can get to work in the morning I am going to find out for sure just who all he speaks for. He is being cited as "Colorado City Manager and Media liaison".

Early on, Kampfer decided to take over the public information aspect of the investigation.

"I stepped in to that role to allow the chief to work the case," said Kampfer, who has worked with Department of Public Safety Senior Trooper Sparky Dean on answering questions from the press.


The above quote comes from this article....http://www.reporternews.com/news/2011/jan/22/kampfer/
 
  • #154
About the witness sightings of Hailey on Monday evening. I have my doubts for a few reasons. But one is from personal experience.

When my daughter was 15 she and her best friend tried to pull one over on us. They wanted to go to a concert in another city wirth 2 senior boys driving them. She didn't even bother asking, and if she had, I would have been more suspicious of her plans that Friday night.

She quite regularly slept over at one of her friends houses because they had a dance class on saturday morning. So they traded off between our house and hers quite regularly. So that friday late afternoon she went off with dance shoes and said goodbye like usual.

Too bad for her my son was at the movies and saw her 'sleepover' friend there on a date. When he got home he asked me where 'O' was and I told him. No she's not, he said. And told me that he saw the friend earlier. I immediately called their home even though it was almost midnight. The mother woke up her daughter who said there were never plans to sleep over and she didnt know where she was. [ which i later found out was true.]

Anyhow I grabbed our cell phone bill and began calling the numbers she called most often. People did not seem upset that I called late, they were all trying to be helpful. One of the first numbers I called was a good friends home. The mother of the friend got on the phone and SWORE to me that she had seen my daughter at the football game that night. It was an away game, and it kind of surprised me that she would go. But this lady knew my kid since girl scouts and we saw each other in the neighborhood often. So I spent a lot of time calling around the friends she was supposedly seen with. Just about the time I was going to call 911, at about 2 am, I got THE call. One of the kids I had called knew the truth about the secret concert date, and told their parents, who then called me. [ My daughter had her phone off all of this time.] Anyhow , needless to say, big time consequences, even though I have to admit that I tried the same thing at her age. LOL

THe Point of my rambling story is that even credible well intentioned witnesses can get things wrong. NONE of the other people were able to corroborate my friends memory of the football game.
That is why I doubt this ladies sighting as well. I think others would have seen her and the other kids. And I don't think those kids could lie and keep it under wraps for this long if they had been with HD that night. Just MOO..
 
  • #155
what the heck does this mean?


"Kampfer said Hailey's family may not be aware of everything being done in the case because law enforcement tries to keep "intelligence going backward."


:banghead::banghead:

That is also from redcat's link

We look back too, I think that's what most investigations do. jmo
 
  • #156
That made me laugh out loud - for real! Did he actually say that? :confused:

I am trying to figure out what that means too.....lol.:waitasec:
 
  • #157
bbm~

I believe there is LOTS of evidence against SA..enough so that as I said earlier LE didn't find it necessary to poly anyone except those few. THAT was not an oversight imo..But since in this country we have a right to a speedy trial and can not be tried more than once for the same crime..LE or more importantly the State Attorney is not going to give the go ahead for an arrest of anyone until they feel they have "Proof Beyond A Reasonable Doubt" in a Court of Law...It happens ALL of the time..Look how long it took to arrest Drew Peterson.and he still isn't charged with the murder of Stacy AFAIK..

Tick Tock...is the sound of SA's time running out. IMHO, his days are numbered...and HIS time line of events are what BD feels is the BEST time-line to use to find her daughter when she nor us have any idea what cards LE is holding and what evidence they have? They have enough to call him a suspect! That could make some feel that finding Hailey is not as important to her as making sure SA is in the clear..and yes, I am one that is wondering that..and wondering why she or anyone is presumptuous enough to believe that they know more than LE? That's the tail wagging the dog IMO..

You could very well be right. Actually I hope you are. I would like to think LE is very close to getting some real answers.....sadly, that's not the impression I'm under.
 
  • #158
http://www.reporternews.com/news/2011/jan/31/mother-missing-colorado-city-teen-provides-copy-ti/?partner=popular

Kampfer said the investigation continues to be focused on search, not recovery.

"At this point we're still looking for her alive — until we believe there's reason to be looking for a dead body," he said.


I'm assuming he means by that there's no physical evidence of Hailey's death or physical harm - blood etc.

I really wish in these cases, reporters would keep on asking LE, specifically, if there is any physical evidence to indicate the child was physically harmed, or is deceased.

When LE says "No", it not only helps the family keep their hopes up, but I firmly believe it makes people more willing to keep looking for the child, keep an eye out when they're out and about, and keep putting up posters and handing them out.

I like to see parents keep repeating that when they're interviewed too, that there is no physical evidence to say their child is not alive, and for everyone to please keep on looking.

Every missing child for whom there's no physical evidence of death deserves to be looked for alive. Not all these missing children are dead. Some of them are out there. And we need to find them and rescue them.

My opinion and my rant for the day. :)
 
  • #159
I think he stopped by to remove Hailey from the home before it got daylight. I used to think she was alive and well at that point, but I'm not so sure anymore...

Only thing I'm sure of is that Hailey is not where she should be...

and while I'm not sure of this, I get the feeling that SA is feeling pretty comfortable that Hailey won't be found..that worries the bejeezes out of me..Makes me think of Zahra's case. As much as I hate saying it ..if EB hadn't given up the location, I don't believe Zahra (or what was left of her physical body:() would have ever been found...
 
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