TX TX - Houston, 'Swimsuit Boy' WhtMale 15-19, UP4547, Dean Corll victim, Aug'73

[Caring1]

 

[John/Jane Doe]

@Caring1 Hey could you post the current list of NamUs exclusions for this John Doe? I would greatly appreciate it.

 

[Caring1]

@Caring1 Hey could you post the current list of NamUs exclusions for this John Doe? I would greatly appreciate it.

15 Missing Person Exclusions

 

[John/Jane Doe]

Has Christopher Brian Wells been considered a possible match before?

5102DMWA - Christopher Brian Wells

Christopher Brian Wells – The Charley Project

 

[noseynancy]

What about mark scott, has he been ruled out The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

 

[iamshadow21]

What about mark scott, has he been ruled out The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

It is generally believed that Scott's body remains unfound, on High Island, in the sands. This is based on things like testimony from the other offenders, who led LE to the successful recovery of other victims. They have Scott's mother's DNA for comparison, this is how they were able to correct an earlier misidentification. If this boy were Scott, the DNA would have shown that.

It is also believed, due to the position he was buried in the boat shed, that this boy was killed in 1971, perhaps in the summer due to his clothing. Scott was not killed until April 1972.

Unfortunately, I don't think Scott will ever be found. The beach where Corll and his comurderers buried the later victims has changed too much due to weather events which submerged it in water. Scott and probably at least one other victim remains out there.

MOO

 

[savysheart]

I was reading a book about Dean Corll's crimes recently, and I read about a victim's mother being turned away by police because it was believed her son was "just a runaway". He had went to the pool that day with swim trunks, a towel, and some coins. She was understandably upset they thought he ran away when he only had change and an outfit to go swimming. I believe it was Gregory Winkle. Hilligiest had also went with him.

I think it was very likely this boy was picked up from the same pool. Most of his victims were abducted from the same area of town, so I doubt it'd be far-fetched to say this. I'm not sure how many swimming spots there were near Houston Heights in the 70s, but I wouldn't think many. Also since he was found with the swim trunks and a pair of corduroy pants, I think he was definitely planning to swim afterward. (Maybe he was picked up on his way there?) When I was a kid, I'd wear my swimsuit under my clothes so when I'd get in the pool I could just take off the pants, and not have to bother changing in and out of my clothes.

Just something I thought about I suppose. This child comes to my mind very often. I can't wait for the day he is finally identified.

 

[Ontheriver]

I was reading a book about Dean Corll's crimes recently, and I read about a victim's mother being turned away by police because it was believed her son was "just a runaway". He had went to the pool that day with swim trunks, a towel, and some coins. She was understandably upset they thought he ran away when he only had change and an outfit to go swimming. I believe it was Gregory Winkle. Hilligiest had also went with him.

I think it was very likely this boy was picked up from the same pool. Most of his victims were abducted from the same area of town, so I doubt it'd be far-fetched to say this. I'm not sure how many swimming spots there were near Houston Heights in the 70s, but I wouldn't think many. Also since he was found with the swim trunks and a pair of corduroy pants, I think he was definitely planning to swim afterward. (Maybe he was picked up on his way there?) When I was a kid, I'd wear my swimsuit under my clothes so when I'd get in the pool I could just take off the pants, and not have to bother changing in and out of my clothes.

Just something I thought about I suppose. This child comes to my mind very often. I can't wait for the day he is finally identified.

David Hilligiest and Malley Winkle were on their way to the Bohemian lodge pool when they were abducted. I too had wondered if this boy had been abducted from this same pool. It would not surprise me. David and Wayne had hung out at this pool before trying to get other boys to go to "parties" with them. You would think someone would have noticed one of their friends disappearing from the pool.

 

[Canaille]

Hi everyone, it’s me. The one always a day late and a dollar short apologizing for dropping in so late.

I want to post about some things I’ve ran across this past week. Maybe they’ve already been discussed. If so, please reread my first line

I’ve read that his swimtrunks were of the Catalina brand. I have never seen the logo on the belt buckle as a logo used by Catalina. I looked for flying “c” and flying “o” and nothing looked right. Then, realized it actually looks to me like a bicycle tire with wings. I looked good and can see the spokes. Could this boy have belonged to a bike group. Or at the risk of being laughed at, could he have left home to tour with something like a circus, preforming bicycle tricks? Could explain why no one has come forward to claim him. I will had some pictures for yall to look at and please feel free to comment or judge. Give me your opinion and why you think that way so I can either continue on this line of thought or look elsewhere. Thanks for taking the time to look.

 

[Canaille]

Also played around with adjustments on the buckle.

 

[roche.analisa]

Not sure it's helpful, but here's what a search on the image produces
Otasco Flying-O bicycle Head badge decal | eBay

 

[cenazoic]

Such an interesting find!

Winged/flying wheel logos/imagery have been in use a long time - here’s an example from the 4th century BCE!

The one in the buckle seems very close to this one from the Ohio State Highway Patrol (just an example, I’ve come across many states who use/used something similar.)

The question, I think, is who would have been making shorts/swim trunks using that as a logo in the late ‘60s/early ‘70s?

Or, on second thought (and viewing the trunks as a whole) - it’s possible the trunks were made by Catalina, and the buckle was something the boy added.

In retrospect, a flying wheel logo doesn’t seem to make sense for any clothing/swimsuit maker - in my briefish research, it seems to have been mostly been used by bikers (both kinds), car mechanics, the Indy speedway, etc - all involving some sort of vehicle (going fast).


Those trunks are interesting for another reason as well, I’m starting to think.

I could be totally off base here, but according to this - belted trunks weren't really a thing in the 60s/70s:

Retro Men's Swim Trunks - 1960s, 1970s, 1980s History

Ever wondered what men wore to the pool or beach in the 1960s, 1970s, 1980s, and beyond? Learn the history of board shorts and men's swim trunks here.

vintagedancer.com

But were a part of 30s-50s design:

Vintage Men's Swimwear History- 1930s, 1940s, 1950s

Vintage men's swimsuits and bathing suits from the 1930s, 1940s, 1950s, 1960s and 1970s. History of retro men's swim trunks, shorts, and briefs. Shop swimwear too.

vintagedancer.com

I’m still fumbling around to develop any sort of coherent theory about all this (maybe there isn’t one), but thanks for your sharp eye @Canaille - lots of food for thought and research!

 

[cenazoic]

Also, haven’t seen this posted - October 11, 2024 article on Swimsuit Boy:

Solvable: Do you know Swimsuit Boy?

Who is Swimsuit boy? It’s a mystery that’s gone unsolved for more than half a century. Swimsuit boy or John Houston Doe 1973 is the last known victim of Houston’s Candy Man killer to be identified.

www.click2houston.com

 

[Canaille]

Such an interesting find!

Winged/flying wheel logos/imagery have been in use a long time - here’s an example from the 4th century BCE!

The one in the buckle seems very close to this one from the Ohio State Highway Patrol (just an example, I’ve come across many states who use/used something similar.)

The question, I think, is who would have been making shorts/swim trunks using that as a logo in the late ‘60s/early ‘70s?

Or, on second thought (and viewing the trunks as a whole) - it’s possible the trunks were made by Catalina, and the buckle was something the boy added.

In retrospect, a flying wheel logo doesn’t seem to make sense for any clothing/swimsuit maker - in my briefish research, it seems to have been mostly been used by bikers (both kinds), car mechanics, the Indy speedway, etc - all involving some sort of vehicle (going fast).


Those trunks are interesting for another reason as well, I’m starting to think.

I could be totally off base here, but according to this - belted trunks weren't really a thing in the 60s/70s:

Retro Men's Swim Trunks - 1960s, 1970s, 1980s History

Ever wondered what men wore to the pool or beach in the 1960s, 1970s, 1980s, and beyond? Learn the history of board shorts and men's swim trunks here.

vintagedancer.com

But were a part of 30s-50s design:

Vintage Men's Swimwear History- 1930s, 1940s, 1950s

Vintage men's swimsuits and bathing suits from the 1930s, 1940s, 1950s, 1960s and 1970s. History of retro men's swim trunks, shorts, and briefs. Shop swimwear too.

vintagedancer.com

I’m still fumbling around to develop any sort of coherent theory about all this (maybe there isn’t one), but thanks for your sharp eye @Canaille - lots of food for thought and research!

Thanks for the info on the belted trunks. I can tweak my searches a bit now. I thought I had read somewhere that there was some gold in the stripes. Has me thinking it maybe like a metallic threading.

I have a picture I came across on a worldwide missing people site. I think I will post it in here later tonight if I don’t forget. I have so much going on that this is the last thing I should be doing. But, I can’t stay away from some of these cases. Especially once a thought hits my brain.

 

[iamshadow21]

Thanks for the info on the belted trunks. I can tweak my searches a bit now. I thought I had read somewhere that there was some gold in the stripes. Has me thinking it maybe like a metallic threading.

I have a picture I came across on a worldwide missing people site. I think I will post it in here later tonight if I don’t forget. I have so much going on that this is the last thing I should be doing. But, I can’t stay away from some of these cases. Especially once a thought hits my brain.

Are they sure they're actually swim shorts? I ask because BMX took off in the late '60s, early '70s, and there's a significant overlap in the styles of surf and skate apparel.

MOO

 

[Canaille]

Are they sure they're actually swim shorts? I ask because BMX took off in the late '60s, early '70s, and there's a significant overlap in the styles of surf and skate apparel.

MOO

I’m glad you mentioned that! I’ve basically been wondering the same things. I took a screenshot of a good portion of them (meaning and area that was clean and not clear of the colors). Then did an image search. I will try to do that again and post the results. It was kind of interesting. I keeping thinking the shorts are either uniform or “performance/show” clothes.

 

[Canaille]

I meant for it to say an area that was clean and clear with the colors.

 

[Canaille]

Ok, y'all please bear with me. I'm going to try to post all the screenshots from recent searches. Hopefully, this will all be ok to do. I'd prefer not to get spanked by mods tonight ;-p

I want to share this from a search on a site called icmp - international commission for missing persons. The date and age is off, but I'm just wondering if it's at all possible that this person could've come to the US for schooling and disappeared earlier than what is shown. The really odd thing I think, is that when I did a reverse search for his picture, absolutely NOTHING came up. Well, not really true... i did get returns of half pictures, like of a mans tie. But not a full picture of him or anyone. If need be by mods, I can place a link to the site. Otherwise, here is the screenshot.

 

[Canaille]

Here is what came back in an image search of his swim trunks.. I will make a few posts so as to not have so many in one post. When I first performed a search, I only got back a fraction of what came up tonight. If they show up in the correct order, the first screenshot is of his shorts.

 

[Canaille]

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