TX TX-Hunt, Overnight flooding at Camp Mystic, all girls camp. Unknown number of missing. July 4, 2025

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teeby said:
Linnie McCown, 8, Camp Mystic
Mary Stevens, 8, Camp Mystic
Wynne Naylor, child, Camp Mystic
Lainey Landry, child, Camp Mystic

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Hill Country flood disaster: What we know about the victims so far

Dozens were killed after devastating flash floods stormed Kerr County the morning of July 4th.
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💔 We are devastated to share the heartbreaking news that Lainey Landry has been found and is no longer with us. Her family has confirmed her passing, with her great-aunt writing to us directly,...
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I'm glad Linnie was found, there was an article about her dad searching for her. The article described how he found a girl's body, but it wasn't her, it was another child.

MOO
 
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iamshadow21 said:
Kaitlyn Swallow, 22, Williamson
Jeff Wilson, 55, Kerrville (truck with camper)
Chloe Childress, 18, Camp Mystic (counselor)
Hanna Lawrence, 8, Camp Mystic
Rebecca Lawrence, 8, Camp Mystic
Holly Frizzell, 72, Hunt/Casa Bonita

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Death toll climbs to 81 as flood-ravaged Texas faces more rain; Trump plans visit: Updates

Meanwhile, anguished parents waited for word on the 10 young campers still missing from Camp Mystic, which was hit hard by floodwaters.
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30-year Humble ISD employee, Kingwood Park HS teacher, dies in Central Texas flooding, district says

Humble ISD said Jeff Wilson, who worked in the district for three decades, was killed in the flooding that battered Kerrville County. His wife and son are still unaccounted for.
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Hill Country flood disaster: What we know about the victims so far

Dozens were killed after devastating flash floods stormed Kerr County the morning of July 4th.
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I wonder if Hanna and Rebecca are related. Really hoping they're not twins.
 
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BeginnerSleuther said:
I wonder if Hanna and Rebecca are related. Really hoping they're not twins.
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They are twins.

The twin granddaughters of Miami childhood education advocate David Lawrence, Jr. are among the dozens killed during a massive flooding in Central Texas this weekend, he confirmed Sunday.

The girls, both eight years old, and their 14-year-old sister attended Camp Mystic in Kerr County, an area where dozens people died after the Guadalupe River swelled with rainwater and flooded the Texas Hill Country early Friday morning.
 
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“We know we get rains. We know the river rises. But nobody saw this coming,” said Kerr County Judge Rob Kelly, the county's chief elected official."

Then my question would be why didn't they have a flood warning system in place?
 
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Ghostwheel said:
It the speed that has me confounded. They said it rose to 26 feet in 45 minutes. In desert world, 45 minutes is all the time in the world, even in the middle of the night. I would think (though maybe I am just used to how it works in the desert) there would be some place for 750 kids to have a high enough spot to stand on and someone would have gotten them ALL there if it was even a possibility of happening. You know, an evacuation plan? Not living near that kind of terrain makes it hard to wrap my head around since we know 2 inches of rain in the mountains? Stay out of the washes, just in case. The concept of an entire cabin/house just picking up and moving down river is foreign to me.
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The logistics of moving 750, especially children, in the middle of the night in a hilly area might well have led to more casualties had they done so.
 
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IceIce9 said:
Water can rise unbelievably fast with little or no warning. A few years ago I was camping with a friend, we set up our tent near a small creek that was no more than five feet across.

On the last morning of our trip we decided to go for breakfast at a nearby restaurant, and we debated whether we should pack up our tent before we went to breakfast or after. We decided to pack up our tent then we went to eat.

While at breakfast it suddenly started raining very hard, and when we drove back the entire area was flooded with very fast rushing water that was full of large branches and other debris. If we hadn’t packed our supplies we would have lost everything. We watched from a main road that was next to the little creek that we had camped near.

It was just unbelievable that the small creek of still water in front of our campsite had turned into a flash flood in less than an hour.
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From what I can see in that picture, that creek looks a lot like the one that runs by my apartment building. It, too rises very quickly when we have heavy rains, although the "input" is limited by the culvert under the nearby road.
 
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Nine year old twins who returned home from Camp Mystic and La Junta a couple of weeks ago have raised over two grand with a lemonade and cookie stand to benefit Camp Mystic.
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Fort Worth kids raise money for Camp Mystic with lemonade stand

Kids with ties to Camp Mystic raised more than $2,200 from their neighborhood lemonade and cookie stand to benefit the Hill Country camp.
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"This is the most important mission of my life."


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Camp Mystic was a summer paradise. Flood waters ended all that in minutes

For nearly a century, Camp Mystic was a summer paradise for young girls in Texas. It is now the site of one of the deadliest flood disasters in the US state's recent history.
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Gemmie said:
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I watched some drone footage last night and there was a main street that had obviously been underwater at some point, with cars driving down it, having to negotiate around the house deposited neatly in the middle of it.

This kind of thing is common; I've seen multiple homes floating in different floods of the Hunter River over the years. When you've got timber framed houses, they can get lifted right off their piers/foundation.

MOO
 
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Aquawoman said:
“We know we get rains. We know the river rises. But nobody saw this coming,” said Kerr County Judge Rob Kelly, the county's chief elected official."

Then my question would be why didn't they have a flood warning system in place?
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BBM

Follow the money…or the lack thereof.

According to the excellent Texas Tribune’s article, Texas lawmakers failed to pass a bill to improve local disaster warning systems this year:

For the last three days, state Rep. Wes Virdell has been out with first responders in Kerr County as they searched for victims and survivors from the devastating floods that swept through Central Texas early Friday morning.
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House Bill 13, would have created a new government council to establish the emergency response plan and administer the grant program, both of which would have been aimed at facilitating better communication between first responders. The bill also called for the plan to include “the use of outdoor warning sirens,” like those used in tornado-prone Texas counties, and develop new “emergency alert systems.”
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“I can tell you in hindsight, watching what it takes to deal with a disaster like this, my vote would probably be different now,” said Virdell, a freshman GOP lawmaker from Brady.
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Even local communities balked at the great expense of a siren system:

Kerr County Judge Rob Kelly told reporters on Saturday local residents have rejected the idea of a siren system due to its expense when it had been suggested before.

“The public reeled at the cost,” Kelly said.
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But don’t worry, the state will take care of it, eventually:

Talk of warning systems and how to improve communications will eventually happen, Virdell said, adding that, right now, the focus needs to be on the immediate community.
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Forget striking while the iron is hot to improve and pass House Bill 13, or to rally support for local funding—let’s just wait till the iron is nice and cool so we don’t have to pay a dang penny.
 
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PunishThenForgive said:
BBM

Follow the money…or the lack thereof.

According to the excellent Texas Tribune’s article, Texas lawmakers failed to pass a bill to improve local disaster warning systems this year:





Even local communities balked at the great expense of a siren system:



But don’t worry, the state will take care of it, eventually:



Forget striking while the iron is hot to improve and pass House Bill 13, or to rally support for local funding—let’s just wait till the iron is nice and cool so we don’t have to pay a dang penny.
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Horribly sad, but I leave it up to the people of Texas to decide on their representatives.

However, I am positive that every summer the students at A&M University are looking for internships. It is a major IT University in Texas. Why not ask students to develop prototypes for warning systems, rather than wait till representatives find the money, decide who the contracts go to, etc, etc.

Best businesses in this world have been started by students. (Some even, because the project got a “C” and they were told, “it won’t work”.)
 
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Charlot123 said:
Horribly sad, but I leave it up to the people of Texas to decide on their representatives.

However, I am positive that every summer the students at A&M University are looking for internships. It is a major IT University in Texas. Why not ask students to develop prototypes for warning systems, rather than wait till representatives find the money, decide who the contracts go to, etc, etc.

Best businesses in this world have been started by students. (Some even, because the project got a “C” and they were told, “it won’t work”.)
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Well, I live in Texas. Due to gerrymandering, what I personally want or think doesn’t matter to the politicians who represent me at the state or national level.

Nonetheless, I agree that our university students could design an alert system. The tricky part would be to pay for and implement the systems. People are reluctant to spend money on public projects here, and businesses have to make a profit.

Finally, 95% of land is privately owned here, including the land surrounding the Guadalupe River. Implementing alert systems would require the cooperation of private landowners and businesses.
 
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Whatever happens, there are going to be changes.

I know Camp Mystic, and probably others like it, had a 'device free' policy. I wonder, if Camp Mystic is able to rebuild and survive this, one of the changes will be that counselors at least are able to keep and use their phones. They'd be able to receive phone weather alerts, and call for help. I don't know that it would have made any difference, here. Possibly not. But it would be something other than screaming into the dark as the water fills your cabin, surrounded by kids you can't save.

MOO
 
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PunishThenForgive said:
Well, I live in Texas. Due to gerrymandering, what I personally want or think doesn’t matter to the politicians who represent me at the state or national level.

Nonetheless, I agree that our university students could design an alert system. The tricky part would be to pay for and implement the systems. People are reluctant to spend money on public projects here, and businesses have to make a profit.

Finally, 95% of land is privately owned here, including the land surrounding the Guadalupe River. Implementing alert systems would require the cooperation of private landowners and businesses.
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It's a very sad and tragic situation.
A quick Google search came up with this from 15 years ago where it says, as we all probably know, that disaster relief costs more than preventative measures: https://documents1.worldbank.org/cu...8/pdf/693580ESW0P1230aster0Risk0Reduction.pdf
 
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A family of thirty three survived by climbing onto the roof of their hotel.


As with the fires in California earlier this year, there hasn't just been a local or interstate response, but an international one. Again, Mexico's firefighters are working along side their American colleagues in Texas's time of need.
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Firefighters from Mexico respond to Texas Hill Country flooding, marking an international response

The search and rescue mission in the Texas Hill Country is now an international effort.
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