TX TX - Huntsville, 'Walker County Jane Doe', WhtFem 14-16, 91UFTX, Nov'80 #2 *NAME NOT RELEASED*

[sonz82]

So hard to tell. In this photo Janice seems to have the same very long eyebrows that extend quite far beyond the outer edges of her eyes. She also still has that rounded, chubby cheeked face shape. @sonz82 was it the photo, or is there other information that lead you to think about Janice as a match?

Mostly the photo, I found the post on wcjds Facebook page, I think there might be better photos on the account set up for Janice.

 

[sonz82]

There is another photo, but the quality is awful.

 

[Gardener1850]

Janice Hackh aged 16, missing from Canada since August 24th 1979

Janice's WS thread: CANADA - Canada - Janice Ellisabeth Hackh, 16, Quesnel BC, 24 August 1979

 

[jessica-]

Janice's WS thread: CANADA - Canada - Janice Ellisabeth Hackh, 16, Quesnel BC, 24 August 1979

Good eye!

 

[NotSHolmes]

Though I've seen the postmortem a few times, I only just noticed now, whilst comparing it with Briggs's photo, that the UP's right eyebrow is quite distinctly different and noticeable. It may have been brushed that way around her death, but, to me, it seems to be the natural "shape", as it were.
Edit: Image I refer to (WARNING - POSTMORTEM): https://www.namus.gov/api/CaseSets/NamUs/UnidentifiedPersons/Cases/4630/Images/6974/Original

 

[Sweetluv]

She looks so young
So sad....I desperately want her Identified!

 

[sloane7777]

she does look like Janice , but wouldn't her accent have been noticed and isotopes have been done, right ??

 

[carbuff]

she does look like Janice , but wouldn't her accent have been noticed and isotopes have been done, right ??

Accent: not necessarily. She was from BC, and while some people from BC have pronounced accents, many others don't particularly.

 

[Finders]

I nominated her on the DNA Doe page. I think everyone should do so and overwhelm them into taking on her case!!

 

[Friday Fan]

I nominated her on the DNA Doe page. I think everyone should do so and overwhelm them into taking on her case!!

Done!!!
I stated that I feel that someone is looking for her. (I really do!!!) I think this case is a kinda like Tammy Alexander's. I feel that at the time someone probably contacted LE, but due to jurisdiction or habitual runaway issues, the case was not followed through. I really do feel that someone was looking for her and eventually gave up. Her parents may be gone like Tammy's, so the resources aren't there.

She appeared healthy and well cared for.

 

[Friday Fan]

Though I've seen the postmortem a few times, I only just noticed now, whilst comparing it with Briggs's photo, that the UP's right eyebrow is quite distinctly different and noticeable. It may have been brushed that way around her death, but, to me, it seems to be the natural "shape", as it were.
Edit: Image I refer to (WARNING - POSTMORTEM): https://www.namus.gov/api/CaseSets/NamUs/UnidentifiedPersons/Cases/4630/Images/6974/Original

I believe she has a scar on one of her brows.

I just noticed her skin appears blotchy. I wonder if it's petechiae, freckles, acne, or hives?

 

[NotSHolmes]

I believe she has a scar on one of her brows.

I just noticed her skin appears blotchy. I wonder if it's petechiae, freckles, acne, or hives?

Sunburn?

 

[NotSHolmes]

A useful reference:
Rash - Wikipedia

 

[Friday Fan]

I just noticed her toenails were painted. I wonder how much growth was visible?

 

[NotSHolmes]

I just noticed her toenails were painted. I wonder how much growth was visible?

I couldn't find any mention of the length at all. I guess it was overlooked (on the publishing side) as an unimportant detail.

 

[leilarose68]

I nominated her on the DNA Doe page. I think everyone should do so and overwhelm them into taking on her case!!

Agencies generally have to reach out to DDP for DDP to take their case... DDP already has so many agencies reaching out that they've said that they don't really contact agencies themselves anymore. And I know WCJD's agency is aware of genetic genealogy because multiple people (including myself) have told them about DDP via email. And Carl has been in contact with them about the case and has talked about this. So yeah, hopefully in the future WCJD's agency will express interest and submit her case.

 

[carbuff]

Agencies generally have to reach out to DDP for DDP to take their case... DDP already has so many agencies reaching out that they've said that they don't really contact agencies themselves anymore. And I know WCJD's agency is aware of genetic genealogy because multiple people (including myself) have told them about DDP via email. And Carl has been in contact with them about the case and has talked about this. So yeah, hopefully in the future WCJD's agency will express interest and submit her case.

And they could have procedures under way on their end to arrange for the testing.

One Massachusetts case I know of required three different rounds of approvals for some specialized testing. First they had to get an approval for the concept of having the testing done, then they had to apply for funding, and then they had to resubmit the initial request with the approved funding. It took like 14-16 months. And that was for a case that involved no crime and a virtual certainty about the identification, just looking for confirmation for an accidental drowning. Hopefully Texas isn't that hung up on paperwork and something happens much faster than that.

 

[ntt1]

And they could have procedures under way on their end to arrange for the testing.

One Massachusetts case I know of required three different rounds of approvals for some specialized testing. First they had to get an approval for the concept of having the testing done, then they had to apply for funding, and then they had to resubmit the initial request with the approved funding. It took like 14-16 months. And that was for a case that involved no crime and a virtual certainty about the identification, just looking for confirmation for an accidental drowning. Hopefully Texas isn't that hung up on paperwork and something happens much faster than that.

From Carl's Facebook page (July 2019 post):

IS THIS METHOD BEING CONSIDERED FOR WALKER COUNTY JANE DOE?
Currently, there is a CODIS DNA Profile for WCJD. CODIS is the FBI’s DNA Database, and only looks at 20 base-pairs on the DNA strand, in comparison with the DNA profiles of millions of persons in the CODIS missing persons database. However, a CODIS profile cannot be used for forensic genealogy. A genealogical profile requires over 600,000 base pairs, and there is currently not enough of WCJD’s raw DNA in storage to construct a genealogical DNA profile.

Recently, the Walker County Sheriff Department sent WCJD’s mandible to DNA Solutions in Oklahoma, but was unable to extract enough usable DNA for a genealogical profile. This is not uncommon when dealing with bones of persons deceased for decades. Other options are currently being considered, including labs that specialize in more difficult extractions.

So it looks like they're aware and have been trying, but the extraction might be a difficult one with whatever material they still have. Maybe an exhumation might be necessary to get more biological material for testing. With Corona Girl's recent identification after such a difficult extraction, I'm hoping that they keep trying, but it can probably get expensive. Hopefully we may see news at some point soon. This year is her 40th anniversary without a name.

 

[carbuff]

From Carl's Facebook page (July 2019 post):


So it looks like they're aware and have been trying, but the extraction might be a difficult one with whatever material they still have. Maybe an exhumation might be necessary to get more biological material for testing. With Corona Girl's recent identification after such a difficult extraction, I'm hoping that they keep trying, but it can probably get expensive. Hopefully we may see news at some point soon. This year is her 40th anniversary without a name.

Oh gee, and I was only thinking paperwork. I wasn't even thinking of all the technical difficulties that can cause delays--add that onto paperwork...argh.

 

[TmmEye]

Oh gee, and I was only thinking paperwork. I wasn't even thinking of all the technical difficulties that can cause delays--add that onto paperwork...argh.

I wonder if the agency could hold some sort of fundraising to exhume WCJD, for even more if DDP testing fails. Isotopes, etc.