Identified! TX - Huntsville, 'Walker County Jane Doe', WhtFem 14-16, 91UFTX, Nov'80 #4 Sherry Ann Jarvis

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  • #401
I could see a woman being involved, but I also will be surprised if we ever learn a woman was solely responsible. Never say never though....

Personally, I have wondered if the bite mark was to remove an identifying feature--a distinguishing mole, large freckle, scar, or even to marr a small tattoo. (If that would be possible?). We don't really know much about the bite mark, but if they were able to compare a suspect's dentals to it, it must have been somewhat intact, right?

Hopefully the last part is not too graphic or insensitive. The details are awful enough as is without imagining things on top of it all.
 
  • #402
After Ray Krone's wrongful conviction due to bite mark evidence I personally question the accuracy of using dental bite mark matches in general.
 
  • #403
After Ray Krone's wrongful conviction due to bite mark evidence I personally question the accuracy of using dental bite mark matches in general.
Yes, you have more than a couple posters upthread who agree with you. I think we've collectively agreed other evidence will be needed to move the case forward. I sure hope adequate DNA was extracted in 1999 when the remains were exhumed. We need to identify the cretin who perpetrated such grievous acts upon this young girl.

Amateur opinion and speculation
 
  • #404
I may be wrong, but I think even before DNA was around some places were taking nail scrapings. Mainly because those scrapings could be used for blood typing to compare with and rule out a suspect. (Like if someone had O+ in the scrapings and the suspected person had A-, then they could possibly be ruled out)

I hope they did with our girl and I hope they kept the scrapings.
 
  • #405
Was there any other victims with bite marks during that year? Does anyone know?
 
  • #406
Was there any other victims with bite marks during that year? Does anyone know?

Off the top of my head, Alcala, but he was in prison when this happened.edited: sorry, he was a perp, not a victim
 
  • #407
Along those lines, do we know of any convicted female murderers who bit their victims? I'm reading up on the topic--disturbing--and it seems fairly common among the more violent serial killers.
 
  • #408
I personally don't feel it was a female killer. I know there have been cases of very violent female killers (such as Linda LaRoche, who killed Peggy Lynn Johnson fka Racine County Jane Doe), but they generally don't target random women and kill them with such brutality in the way WCJD was killed. Women killers usually kill people close to them, instead of random teenage hitchhikers. JMO.
Women involved in murders like WCJD’s usually have a male partner. Karla Homolka is the first person that comes to mind for me. She participated with her husband in the rapes and murders of young women, one being her sister. Their victims were cleaned up. In one case the victim’s hair was cut. If Karla did that it sounds like she was jealous or angry with the girl that was murdered. Women can lure someone into a car because we’ve usually been told that women are safer than men.
 
  • #409
Along those lines, do we know of any convicted female murderers who bit their victims? I'm reading up on the topic--disturbing--and it seems fairly common among the more violent serial killers.

Off the top of my head, Stephanie Lazarus took a HUGE bite out of Sherri Rasmussen, and that was how they matched her DNA to the scene and convicted her. I'm sure there are some others but IMO this is the most well-known example.
 
  • #410
[this post relates to some graphic details of this crime]

It's only speculation, but I don't personally see any reason to suspect a woman as the perpetrator in this case. Not wanting to be too graphic about it, but when a female victim is sexually assaulted, severely beaten and strangled, the primary offender is highly likely to be male, probably a lone male.

There's a lack of evidence of conventional rape, but it still could have happened. If it didn't occur, that could have something to do with the perpetrator's inability to perform, since impotence is common in sexually motivated offenders, but we don't really know.

As someone mentioned, Bundy was known to have bitten at least one victim & to have committed sexual assault with a foreign object. It seems to be a particularly sadistic and vicious type of assault, but not at all unheard of (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/329540834_Foreign_Object_Insertions_in_Sexual_Homicide). Hopefully police have thoroughly examined prior cases with these features, but statistically it would not be surprising if the offender had not committed other crimes or ever previously been identified.
 
  • #411
[this post relates to some graphic details of this crime]

It's only speculation, but I don't personally see any reason to suspect a woman as the perpetrator in this case. Not wanting to be too graphic about it, but when a female victim is sexually assaulted, severely beaten and strangled, the primary offender is highly likely to be male, probably a lone male.

There's a lack of evidence of conventional rape, but it still could have happened. If it didn't occur, that could have something to do with the perpetrator's inability to perform, since impotence is common in sexually motivated offenders, but we don't really know.

As someone mentioned, Bundy was known to have bitten at least one victim & to have committed sexual assault with a foreign object. It seems to be a particularly sadistic and vicious type of assault, but not at all unheard of (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/329540834_Foreign_Object_Insertions_in_Sexual_Homicide). Hopefully police have thoroughly examined prior cases with these features, but statistically it would not be surprising if the offender had not committed other crimes or ever previously been identified.
Here is a good scholarly study on those who commit sexual homicide.
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Something new that i got out of it was that it dispelled the idea that horribly violent murders (like this one) are an act of "escalation" by the Perp. Meaning, that they had worked up to this with lesser previous crimes/assaults. This article tells us that isn't necessarily so, if the Perp was a sexual sadist. That seems clear in this case, based on what this poor child endured.

Amateur opinion and speculation
 
  • #412
I wish her family would have allowed us to know her name. I don't understand why.....
 
  • #413
I wish her family would have allowed us to know her name. I don't understand why.....

At this time, the family wishes to have their privacy and that is something we need to honour. We must remember that they are grieving the loss of a loved one and this is an incredibly difficult time for them. I too, along with everyone here I’m sure, hope that they release her name but we must respect that for the time being they are not ready to do so and acknowledge the possibility that that they may never wish to.

I think about Walker County Jane Doe often and I hope that her family find peace.

Rest easy, precious girl.
 
  • #414
I wish her family would have allowed us to know her name. I don't understand why.....
Maybe in time they will but in my opinion they don’t owe us anything and they’ve just found out that their loved one died in the most brutal way possible. Maybe dealing with that is so overwhelming that they aren’t prepared to deal with any publicity alongside that. I want to know her name just as badly as the next person but I fully understand why the family want to remain private.
 
  • #415
I wish her family would have allowed us to know her name. I don't understand why.....
Also the LE in charge of the case may still be investigating persons who knew her, so they can also be the ones preventing her name being released. I too wish we knew her name so we can honour her properly, but patience is key :).
 
  • #416
Unfortunately, as we know and I believe has been mentioned in this thread previously, certain entitled people online feel the need to make unnecessary, hateful comments and subject the family to criticism. I regularly check the Who Was Walker County Jane Doe? Facebook page and see comments along the lines of ‘oh well, why hadn’t the family made the effort to search for her for 40 years / if it was my family member, I would have done more…’ etc. which does not help anything. The family are in enough pain as it is, without hurtful speculations being made about them. We have already seen this in a number of identified Doe cases in recent years - Marcia King in particular comes to mind, but I know there have been many more.

As @sunnynz said, we are not really owed anything in terms of this, or any, identification. As for now, we can take solace in the fact that she has been identified.
 
  • #417
Unfortunately, as we know and I believe has been mentioned in this thread previously, certain entitled people online feel the need to make unnecessary, hateful comments and subject the family to criticism. I regularly check the Who Was Walker County Jane Doe? Facebook page and see comments along the lines of ‘oh well, why hadn’t the family made the effort to search for her for 40 years / if it was my family member, I would have done more…’ etc. which does not help anything. The family are in enough pain as it is, without hurtful speculations being made about them. We have already seen this in a number of identified Doe cases in recent years - Marcia King in particular comes to mind, but I know there have been many more.

As @sunnynz said, we are not really owed anything in terms of this, or any, identification. As for now, we can take solace in the fact that she has been identified.

Well said!
 
  • #418
I wish her family would have allowed us to know her name. I don't understand why.....
B/c they are in shock and pain and want to be left alone. B/c all sorts of crack pots come out of the wood work to say horrible things, or try to exploit the situation.

The best way to honor this child is to help another one.

Amateur opinion and speculation
 
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I wish her family would have allowed us to know her name. I don't understand why.....

For whatever reason, people today feel that they have the right, if not the obligation, to insert themselves into different scenarios, pass judgement on the families, and execute their own form of vigilante justice, right, wrong or otherwise, and all based on the tiny snapshot of information made available to the public on these various cases. The absolute circus created by the public in the Petito/Laundrie case would be reason enough for me to decide never to share information if WCJD was my family -- if it keeps her family from being subjected to the insanity that reigns so freely these days, I'm alright with never knowing her name. We have the ability to help protect WCJD's family, so maybe that's become our role now that she has her name back.
 
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