• #1,021
Also we need to remember that the trucker who found her was sitting higher up then someone in a normal vehicle, so they can farther like I said higher up.

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True, but if she was in a culvert one mile from the Hitchin Post (truck stop) then a big portion of the traffic would have been truckers as well. That said, it might just be that many were distracted and she was hidden well enough that the guy found her by chance.
 
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I had the afternoon off from work and my mind is constantly thinking about this so I took a drive out to the Hitching Post (super seedy place) then to the 1696 stretch and then all the way to Ellis to get an idea of the proximity.

Today I was looking at the stretch before the 1696 exit because that's what I picked up from Doe Network and the abc news article. I didn't see any culverts on this stretch of the highway. I searched websleuths and found the culvert info came from Mia G when she spoke with the detective in 2009...

"OH one more tiny bit of info... IF Lt Perkins was correct in saying the body was found aprox 1 mile from the Hitchin Post, she was found between mile marker 118 and 119.. I have seen someplaces mention Texas FM 1696.. that road is 4 miles form the area I mapped out yesterday.. I started watching my mileage in the Hitchin Post lot, and drove exactly one mile, and then got pictures about a quarter mile from tht point in both direaction. (yes we wondered up and down a very busy interstate, but I made sure we stayed in the grassy area and OFF the hw) Besides te culvert there are also 3 or 4 clumps of trees, not sure how big the trees would haev been in 1980, they are decen ized now. (as u will see in the pics as soon as I cna get my hands on them..lol) Srry to keep rambling, I just am trying to think of the smallest details of my journey yesterday that may help somewhere!" I think this is post #180

I'll have to go back another day to look at that area. Mia G seemed to have some doubt about what Perkins was saying. I can't find any other site that says anything about the body being found in a culvert or 1 mile from the Hitchin Post. Now I wonder if the news mentioning 9:20 came from the detectives or where? If they spoke with an official you would think they would confirm the site. So confusing!!

I have to say this little trip made me feel even more for WCJD. This was not a place for a young girl to be alone at night. At that age I would have been scared out of my mind. I think she must have been desperately running, or rebellious and brave.

Just want to give you a huge thank you, Wonder123, for doing this trip. Poor Ruthie Doe--she must have been terrified! Her last moments, even before the assault, must have been frightening!
 
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If the exact location of her body is verified that could help. I feel it would be hard to see something poking out of a culvert unless someone was actively LOOKING there.

In addition, I've been thinking about the guy who found her. Wasn't his surname the same as Robert Ben Rhoades, or am I mistaken? Either way, I was thinking that perhaps the guy who found her is an accomplice of another serial killer- someone who did their 'dirty work'. I think LE should chase him up. Not trying to incriminate him, but it is a possibility.
 
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That was pretty much my train of thought, Zelda_s. Nobody is quite sure whether his last name is Rhodes/Rhoades...I agree about the culvert, you would have to look, it seems.
 
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Rhoades is correct.


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That seems like he could have been related to Rhoades, then!

OT about James Rhoades, but I was po'd about a comment I read on an article about our Ruthie Doe which said "Who cares?" God, that annoyed me so much. I bet if she was their relative, they'd never stop looking. I'm trying not to get upset about idiots like that on the Internet, but man, it's hard when they call searching for a murdered little girl's identity a waste of resources.
She deserves her name and justice! I will NEVER give up on her! Even when she gets her name back, I will NEVER stop searching for her killer! It may seem impossible but I will TRY because I CARE!
 
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That seems like he could have been related to Rhoades, then!

OT about James Rhoades, but I was po'd about a comment I read on an article about our Ruthie Doe which said "Who cares?" God, that annoyed me so much. I bet if she was their relative, they'd never stop looking. I'm trying not to get upset about idiots like that on the Internet, but man, it's hard when they call searching for a murdered little girl's identity a waste of resources.
She deserves her name and justice! I will NEVER give up on her! Even when she gets her name back, I will NEVER stop searching for her killer! It may seem impossible but I will TRY because I CARE!

Makes my stomach turn that people think like that. I care too, Springrain. As Dori says "just keep swimming" :)
 
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Makes my stomach turn that people think like that. I care too, Springrain. As Dori says "just keep swimming" :)

Luckily Websleuths is full of amazing people that care! I can't believe some other people would be so rude and disrespectful about attempts to identify a murder victim...nauseauting.

We just have to keep swimming!
 
  • #1,029
Ruthie, whatever your name truly is, I am really hoping you are brought home and soon. You deserved so much more. RIP beautiful girl.
 
  • #1,030
She was so pretty. I always think about what a lovely looking girl she was.
 
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She was so pretty. I always think about what a lovely looking girl she was.

She was very pretty, and so sweet and feminine looking. She reminds me of Angelina Jolie when she was little, I'll try to find the picture.

Wonder if her beauty maybe caught the attention of the monstrous sicko that did this.
 
  • #1,032
I'm sorry I'm not on here a lot but who is "Ruthie" is that her name or something related to her?
 
  • #1,033
Ruthie is the nickname Springrain gave her so she has something to go by other than Jane Doe.
 
  • #1,034
Were the crime scene photos ever released?
 
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Were the crime scene photos ever released?

I don't think they were publicly released. I and others have scoured the web for little pieces of info about her. Though I could be wrong, but I feel like I would have found them.
 
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Although obviously we do not know everything..of course. I wonder what her blood type is, lots of people know theirs. If it is rare it could possibly be a point of comparison with a living parent.
 
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Although obviously we do not know everything..of course. I wonder what her blood type is, lots of people know theirs. If it is rare it could possibly be a point of comparison with a living parent.
Unless she was adopted, but yes.

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A while back on this thread, Mia G posted pictures of the culvert WCJD was found in as well as the surrounding area. From studying the picture, it seems to me that you would have to properly LOOK to see a body in it. I'm having issues attaching the picture but I believe the original post is on pg 13 of this thread.
 
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Unless she was adopted, but yes.

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That is true, she could be adopted or a foster child. My best friend lived with her mom her whole life, until last summer, when her mom died of a brain aneurysm.

Before her death, she had told my friend that her father died. So, after she died, her neighbors were my friend's legal guardians. Come to find out months later, her father is alive in Japan, where she comes from (lived there from ages 1-11). She still lives with her neighbors and is estranged from her father, who her mother left because he was an abusive drunk.

OK, the point of me telling that sad story is: I have to wonder if a similar story happened with Ruthie. Many people have theorized she was visiting her father at Ellis, which is of course possible. People have also suggested her mother died and told her about her father, which I could also believe. The only discrepancy is, how would a girl that young be able to be unnoticed living alone? My friend's mom died on her 14th birthday (it was tragic) but is cared for. Perhaps if Ruthie was being cared for by foster parents, was rebellious and traumatized by a family death, her foster parents would not think too much into it of she disappeared.

Sorry that was really jumbled LOL.
 
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Is it possible that WCJD might have grown up in a very small town and could of have been home school thus no record of her in any school system? Is that a national database listing all kids who were home school? Seems to me she could of come from a small town with onlly one school housing all grades from 1-12 and maybe the school close down?
 

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