Identified! TX - Huntsville, 'Walker County Jane Doe', WhtFem 14-16, 91UFTX, Nov'80 Sherry Ann Jarvis

[yogasleuther]

I think it's worth a shot contacting the Esquire Inn and the Western Lodge. It never hurts to inquire. Has the older brother contacted anyone yet?

That hotel is still there in Beeville I googled it...but if you look thru photo gallery, no mention or picture of a pool and one of the stories mentioned talks of the 2 girls becoming friends and swimming alot in pool. But maybe pool was removed? I believe the key is the couple she said she was staying with. Why did they not come forth...unless they are the ones who murdered her???

 

[CarlK90245]

That hotel is still there in Beeville I googled it...but if you look thru photo gallery, no mention or picture of a pool and one of the stories mentioned talks of the 2 girls becoming friends and swimming alot in pool. But maybe pool was removed? I believe the key is the couple she said she was staying with. Why did they not come forth...unless they are the ones who murdered her???

Here's the street-view of the Esquire Inn.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/E...x8668015646de4915:0xfc420fe812433709?hl=en-us

The fenced-in area in the center of the parking lot appears to be what used to be a swimming pool. Looks like the pool was filled in with dirt.

 

[paul1980]

Is water restrictions why they got rid of the pool?

 

[rosesfromangels]

Anyone think there's any significance to the holiday date (i.e. halloween)?

Yes, people tend to unravel on Halloween.

 

[CarlK90245]

Is water restrictions why they got rid of the pool?

I would suspect that pool maintenance is too expensive, given that it is such a low-budget motel.

 

[alwaysonmymind]

I would suspect that pool maintenance is too expensive, given that it is such a low-budget motel.

Liability insurance rates go way up with a pool as well.


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[CADwrest]

If you look at the satellite view on Google Maps, you can clearly see the 'rounded rectangle' shape of what used to be the pool.
I went through the historical satellite images, which goes back to 1998. It looks like it's been filled in since at least then.

 

[LeenC]

Found something interesting earlier while looking through MPs to match to another Jane Doe. Melanie Flynn, if you think away all the make up she does resemble Walker County Jane Doe. Though, I think Jane Doe was much younger, but I'm no expert of course. Anyway, what I found interesting is that in one of Melanie's pictures she's wearing what seems to be the exact same necklace Jane Doe was found wearing. Could it be that they got it from the same place? It looks more like something you would buy on a market instead of a big multinational (but then I wasn't around in the 70's-80's yet so I could be wrong).

 

[BethAnn777]

Found something interesting earlier while looking through MPs to match to another Jane Doe. Melanie Flynn, if you think away all the make up she does resemble Walker County Jane Doe. Though, I think Jane Doe was much younger, but I'm no expert of course. Anyway, what I found interesting is that in one of Melanie's pictures she's wearing what seems to be the exact same necklace Jane Doe was found wearing. Could it be that they got it from the same place? It looks more like something you would buy on a market instead of a big multinational (but then I wasn't around in the 70's-80's yet so I could be wrong).

They both have DNA in CODIS. From what I understand they would have automatically been compared.

 

[Bit of hope]

Interesting story...the necklace is a very sharp find....both have dentals. Melanie Flynn has in Namus a very explicit description of her dentals, it doesn't have to be that hard to compare...

 

[Traymar]

Found something interesting earlier while looking through MPs to match to another Jane Doe. Melanie Flynn, if you think away all the make up she does resemble Walker County Jane Doe. Though, I think Jane Doe was much younger, but I'm no expert of course. Anyway, what I found interesting is that in one of Melanie's pictures she's wearing what seems to be the exact same necklace Jane Doe was found wearing. Could it be that they got it from the same place? It looks more like something you would buy on a market instead of a big multinational (but then I wasn't around in the 70's-80's yet so I could be wrong).

Is the necklace in the recon photo drawn exactly like the actual necklace? If so, I don't think it's a match, based on the point where the chain meets the pendant being different styles. JMO.

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[Vital Forces]

Is the necklace in the recon photo drawn exactly like the actual necklace? If so, I don't think it's a match, based on the point where the chain meets the pendant being different styles. JMO.

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All depictions of the necklace, including both NCMEC and Karen Taylor's drawing, show the chain meeting it at a single point.

We can't make too much out of someone having a similar necklace, especially if the rectangular type was popular around that time.

 

[sunnynz]

They both have DNA in CODIS. From what I understand they would have automatically been compared.

Yes, ditto this. They will already have been ruled out.

 

[Qwertz]

Hello, I've just joined the forum, albeit I've been following this thread for quite a while.
I have a question in mind. If we assume that this young girl was a native Texan & U.S. citizen, what kind of official documents must she have had back in 1980? And what official records must the state authorities have had about her those days? I'm thinking about for example a birth certificate, ID card, social security number etc... Sorry if this is a stupid question, I'm from Central Europe and not really familiar with how things go in the United States (also sorry for my English).

 

[Alleykins]

Hello, I've just joined the forum, albeit I've been following this thread for quite a while.
I have a question in mind. If we assume that this young girl was a native Texan & U.S. citizen, what kind of official documents must she have had back in 1980? And what official records must the state authorities have had about her those days? I'm thinking about for example a birth certificate, ID card, social security number etc... Sorry if this is a stupid question, I'm from Central Europe and not really familiar with how things go in the United States (also sorry for my English).

She would have most likely had a birth certificate.
Depending on her age, she may have had a driver's license.
She may have had a social security card, depending on whether or not she had a job or her parents applied for one, because I don't think they were automatically issued at birth back then, like they do now.
She could have had a passport if she ever traveled.
She may have had a school ID, if her school issued them.
Or, she could have had nothing but a birth certificate. It really depends on her background.

 

[Gardener1850]

Hello, I've just joined the forum, albeit I've been following this thread for quite a while.
I have a question in mind. If we assume that this young girl was a native Texan & U.S. citizen, what kind of official documents must she have had back in 1980? And what official records must the state authorities have had about her those days? I'm thinking about for example a birth certificate, ID card, social security number etc... Sorry if this is a stupid question, I'm from Central Europe and not really familiar with how things go in the United States (also sorry for my English).

Hi Qwertz, Welcome! :welcome:

Most people born in the US during her life would have birth records on file somewhere, however there are some small groups who do not register their children's birth with the government at all. Possibly she would have a SSN, but only if her parents or guardians applied for one. Back then it was not always applied for at birth. She would most likely only have an ID card if she had learned to drive and had her driver's license or if her parents applied for a passport or state ID card for another reason.

I'm not sure if you are asking if she was required to carry any documents. If that is what you are asking, the answer is, no she would not need any type of documents to move freely in the state of Texas or even to travel from different US states.

 

[CarlK90245]

Hello, I've just joined the forum, albeit I've been following this thread for quite a while.

I have a question in mind. If we assume that this young girl was a native Texan & U.S. citizen, what kind of official documents must she have had back in 1980? And what official records must the state authorities have had about her those days? I'm thinking about for example a birth certificate, ID card, social security number etc... Sorry if this is a stupid question, I'm from Central Europe and not really familiar with how things go in the United States (also sorry for my English).

A birth record should be on file for all persons born in the US. Texas is one of the states with birth records that can be accessed in Ancestry .com. So if she was born in Texas, there is probably a birth record for her in Ancestry.

As for an ID card, many kids don't need an official government ID card until they start driving (usually at age 16), or a passport if they need to travel outside of the country.

A Social Security number is usually assigned in the first few years of life, but a SocSec number is needed if the parents want to claim the tax exemption allowed for each dependent. And a SocSec number is required to enroll in school and/or start a job.

But none of those sources are of any use to us without a name to search for.

 

[carbuff]

There are probably school records somewhere, too, but again those wouldn't be much help without a name.

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[Qwertz]

Thank you for your answers, all of you. That's what I was curious about.

 

[yogasleuther]

Here's the street-view of the Esquire Inn.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/E...x8668015646de4915:0xfc420fe812433709?hl=en-us

The fenced-in area in the center of the parking lot appears to be what used to be a swimming pool. Looks like the pool was filled in with dirt.

That is interesting. If we could get records of who stayed...couples names that stayed in that time period...might be a good start.