TX - James, 48 & Michelle Butler, 46, driving RV to Fort Lauderdale from Corpus Christi, 14 Oct 2019

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  • #541
Tatted folks with gauges who drink modelo and eat chipotle are not inherently low life drug addicts!!! I’m defending myself right now LOL

hope these clowns are caught quickly and receive LWP... I’m so sad for their family and for the RV community having to reevaluate all of their safety and security precautions... takes just one bad apple (or two or three) to ruin everyone else’s fun. Sending my condolences and waiting for the impending justice, let’s hope it’s swift and severe.
 
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From their crossing into Ciudad Acunas, Mexico to Nuevo Casas Grandes, Chihuahua is a very complicated, long route in remote Mexico. Maybe 16 hours on major roads

The quickest way to that area would have been the border crossing at El Paso, TX, or even Presidio, TX.
 
  • #543
I wonder if they ditched the RV and possibly stole some plates in Mexico.
 
  • #544
Tatted folks with gauges who drink modelo and eat chipotle are not inherently low life drug addicts!!! I’m defending myself right now LOL

hope these clowns are caught quickly and receive LWP... I’m so sad for their family and for the RV community having to reevaluate all of their safety and security precautions... takes just one bad apple (or two or three) to ruin everyone else’s fun. Sending my condolences and waiting for the impending justice, let’s hope it’s swift and severe.
LOL!!!
 
  • #545
Here's an article about some issues with the LeBaron family who settled the area in northern Mexico, and the crimes (including murder and auto theft) that they were found guilty of in the late 1970's.

A Family's Legacy of Death : Ervil LeBaron said God told him to kill anyone who strayed from his polygamist cult. A tenacious Salt Lake investigator tracked the LeBarons for 15 years. Now, an anonymous tip may have helped him close a case that claimed as many as 30 lives.

One paragraph that stood out to me:

(During the years since Ervil’s death, Forbes said, the family turned to car theft for sustenance. Phoenix authorities told Forbes that the clan has stolen up to 200 automobiles, usually four-wheel drive vehicles, selling the autos in Mexico for as much as $10,000. The family may also have been involved in drug trafficking, Forbes says.)

Now this was 20 years ago. It's as bizzare a thought as anything about this crime, But I suppose there could still be some connections.......

Just throwing stuff against the wall to see what sticks.
 
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Tatted folks with gauges who drink modelo and eat chipotle are not inherently low life drug addicts!!! I’m defending myself right now LOL

hope these clowns are caught quickly and receive LWP... I’m so sad for their family and for the RV community having to reevaluate all of their safety and security precautions... takes just one bad apple (or two or three) to ruin everyone else’s fun. Sending my condolences and waiting for the impending justice, let’s hope it’s swift and severe.

And I agree, and note that probably more crimes and grift are committed by people without tatoos, without piercings or ear gauges.
 
  • #547
Some musings about why they took the vehicle & trailer into Mexico.

Either they were planning to head to somewhere they know to hide out in or they were planning to sell both truck and trailer.

First of all, it would be so unsafe to leave that trailer unattended. Just as the Butler's were killed, the perps, too, would become theft targets so they really have to head for somewhere they know they can be safe: Maybe in a gringo ex-pat community. Maybe to some secluded hideout. But they have chosen a border crossing that isn't really good for anything but heading directly south. Not west toward the mountainous regions of Chihuahua where the killings of the young families occurred. But they still have a very very long drive to the better known ex-pat hideouts.

Secondly: It makes far more sense to sell the rig. That vehicle will stand out like a flashing diamond. You would not want to be traveling in Mexico as a tourist with it. Someone bad will want it.
Anyone experienced in Mexican travel knows better. It's better to sell it and sell the trailer. Take the money, buy some cheaper, more beat-up truck. If they think they can get farther south out of Mexico through Central America - good luck to that!. Border crossings are difficult and subject to bribes when your paperwork doesn't quite add up.

I think they were looking to sell, hang out for a bit until the trail cools and then re-enter the US in a bit. Try some fake passports. Good luck with that, ha ha

Or they are just really stupid and think they can drive that rig through Mexico as if they were tourists and not attract the wrong kind of attention. I can't wait to find out who they claimed to be on their passports.

Whatever it is, I want them captured alive and extradited to the US for LWOP. The Butler's family and friends all over the world need to know and confront them.
 
  • #548
And then there's this article about the Fundamentalist LDS practice of abandoning young men.

It was written in 2005, so a 15 year old kicked out of a FLDS clan would be about 30 now.

The lost boys, thrown out of US sect so that older men can marry more wives

I know reaching, reaching, reaching. And we have no confirmation yet about the identities of the perps and if being from Utah means anything at all.

But nothing adds up yet
 
  • #549
Well they may be from Utah but that doesn't mean they haven't recently relocated to Texas
 
  • #550
Haven't watched yet, but Gray Hughes did a video with some interesting info on this case last night.

 
  • #551
A news conference is being set up in Kleberg County. Officials are supposed to name the husband and wife who were seen crossing the border in the Butler’s stolen vehicle. They are being charged with unauthorized use of a motor vehicle.
 
  • #552
Any link to the presser. TIA
 
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At Kleberg County Sheriff's Office for second news conference this week. Officials say there are new developments in the double murder investigation of New Hampshire couple James and Michelle Butler. @Action10News

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Crystal Dominguez on Twitter
 
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BREAKING: Police in Kleberg County TX are looking for Adam Curtis Williams in connection to death of James & Michelle Butler of Rumney, NH. Butlers’ bodies were found in TX last week. Police say Williams should be considered armed & dangerous. They believe he’s in Mexico. #WBZ

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Kristina Rex on Twitter
 
  • #560
Thanks to everyone for posting links and pics! <modsnip: reference to rumor/hearsay>
 
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