TX TX - Jason Landry, 21, en route from TSU to home, car found crashed at Luling, 14 Dec 2020

[dixiegirl1035]

Yes, the father said that someone knows something, and he also said something about forgiving your children. Maybe it’s just the way he talks, but I do wonder what he meant.

I caught that also. Stood out to me, and here for his family as we here at WS stand for whatever the background, a victim is a victim.

 

[happyday]

Something I noticed about car, the drivers side inside did not look too bad. The back bumper and front left hood. Maybe he was disgusted with himself and just took off walking. Or maybe he couldn’t locate phone. Moo

Yes! I thought this too! The driver’s side doesn’t look that bad at all. Not bad enough to sustain such a bad head injury to walk off and hide and succumb to the injuries. This is what I’ve been assuming happened, but it doesn’t jive with the car damage that we can see. I’m sure it can be deceiving, but just first glance really doesn’t look terrible in the driver’s area.

 

[happyday]

I caught that also. Stood out to me, and here for his family as we here at WS stand for whatever the background, a victim is a victim.

Absolutely.

 

[Gemmie]

I might be able to help those that haven't had a bad accident so wondering about him walking off, leaving his phone, etc. This is my personal experience.

I took an onramp a little too fast and rolled my car down an embankment, my car landing at an angle held up by a smallish tree (It propped my car up at an angle so when I went to open the driver's side door, everything in the car rolled out the open door onto the ground). No blood, no head injury. In fact, no injury to me at all other than my pride.

I used to go dancing several times a week so had my 'dancing shoes' in the car as well as a bunch of other stuff. This is where I think my experience might help you guys understand what might possibly go on in an event like this.

The first thing I tried was rolling down the window to get out. Then I thought "Why are you thinking you should crawl out the window when you haven't tried the door" (Duh. lol) So I tried the door and it opened just fine (that's when my stuff tumbled out). I got out and looked straight ahead first since that's the direction the car was facing. All I saw was a big open field which I found extremely confusing. I wondered how I rolled across a big field that I hadn't seen before this. I pondered that for a while. Then I thought I should turn around and see what was the other way as the field confused me. That's when I saw the sloped ground leading up to the onramp.

So what did I do? Looked for my 'dancing shoes', found one and up I climbed back up the slope with one of my dancing shoes in hand. Seriously, what good is one high-heeled shoe going to do me at this point? LOL I wasn't going to go dancing, but for some reason, having that shoe was very important to me.

So my point of all that is... I wasn't hurt, but I was in shock or something like it. I was very obviously confused, and remained that way for a while (hours?) I don't recall how long but I was still in a confused state when a driver stopped after seeing me standing on the side of the onramp (1 shoe in hand. lol). The only thing I remember about that is I asked him "Do I look OK?" when what I meant was... 'was there blood on my face' as I couldn't see for myself and I worried I might be bleeding and hurt. I then told him I had rolled my car, he got out to verify, saw it at an angle in the tree and said he'd help me. I think he needed to know I wasn't some crazy standing on the side of the road. I don't blame him!

All I can say is I'm lucky something worse didn't happen to me by asking a stranger 'Do I look okay?' when I'm standing alone, on the side of the road, in darkness. He somehow connected me with my mother although I don't remember any of that part other than the need to call her.

Hopefully this helps others understand what might go on with a person after having an accident, even if they weren't hurt as it appears he was.

 

[NervousNellie]

@Gemmie - Thanks for sharing your experience.

 

[allboys]

Yes! I thought this too! The driver’s side doesn’t look that bad at all. Not bad enough to sustain such a bad head injury to walk off and hide and succumb to the injuries. This is what I’ve been assuming happened, but it doesn’t jive with the car damage that we can see. I’m sure it can be deceiving, but just first glance really doesn’t look terrible in the driver’s area.

There was an article where the father mentioned it was an older car that did not have side air bags. I think it’s still quite possible his injuries were significant. (Especially in regards to head trauma)

 

[Valiant]

Something I noticed about car, the drivers side inside did not look too bad. The back bumper and front left hood. Maybe he was disgusted with himself and just took off walking. Or maybe he couldn’t locate phone. Moo

Yes! I thought this too! The driver’s side doesn’t look that bad at all. Not bad enough to sustain such a bad head injury to walk off and hide and succumb to the injuries. This is what I’ve been assuming happened, but it doesn’t jive with the car damage that we can see. I’m sure it can be deceiving, but just first glance really doesn’t look terrible in the driver’s area.

But if you look at where the damage was, you can see how he'd be hurt. It looks like the car spun around, maybe after a first impact on the front. Then it appears by the way the rear side is damage and the trunk lid almost tore off, that the next impact was on the driver's rear of the car against a tree. Combined with the car spinning, it would throw him hard against the door possibly hitting his head on the glass since there was no side airbag. That's why there could be signs of a very serious injury without the car being damaged on the driver door, IMO.

 

[Curiousobserver]

Something I noticed about car, the drivers side inside did not look too bad. The back bumper and front left hood. Maybe he was disgusted with himself and just took off walking. Or maybe he couldn’t locate phone. Moo

I noticed that too. It looked pretty survivable. If he was shaken up he might have started walking and not realized he left his phone for some time, or perhaps he already knew it was damaged or dead.

 

[happyday]

There was an article where the father mentioned it was an older car that did not have side air bags. I think it’s still quite possible his injuries were significant. (Especially in regards to head trauma)

But if you look at where the damage was, you can see how he'd be hurt. It looks like the car spun around, maybe after a first impact on the front. Then it appears by the way the rear side is damage and the trunk lid almost tore off, that the next impact was on the driver's rear of the car against a tree. Combined with the car spinning, it would throw him hard against the door possibly hitting his head on the glass since there was no side airbag. That's why there could be signs of a very serious injury without the car being damaged on the driver door, IMO.

You’re both right. It’s impossible to tell from damage the extent of a head injury. Head injuries can be weird and unpredictable too. It’s just noticeably different from Matthew Lang’s case, where it was hard to believe anyone could walk from that mangled car that had flipped several times.

 

[Curiousobserver]

There was an article where the father mentioned it was an older car that did not have side air bags. I think it’s still quite possible his injuries were significant. (Especially in regards to head trauma)

Totally possible that he had a severe head injury. But you don't usually walk for hours and hours with a severe head injury, you have stop for a variety of reasons. If he were injured he wouldn't be too far away, a mile or so. Injured people tend to walk in arcs or circles. If he wasn't so bad, he may have walked for a few hours. This is a head scratcher. Also remember, they if he succumbed, searchers could be walking right next to him and often miss the deceased.

 

[Gemmie]

@Gemmie - Thanks for sharing your experience.

You're welcome. I thought it might help.

 

[ElementalLaura]

Does anyone know how large the pond is and whether it remains drained or is refilled?

MOO. The statement about not finding him in the pond was less definite than usual (BBM below).

According to the church, investigators said dogs led them to a pond, which they later drained. But from the best they could tell, Landry’s body was not in there.

I assume there could have been a buildup of muck in the bottom of the pond that would make it difficult to determine if anything had settled in. That might also prevent searchers from entering a drained pond that is still filled with muck to search. But I assume the same process that causes bodies to rise in water would also apply to even mucky water, assuming the body wasn’t weighted down. IMO. And if they had cadaver dogs, I’d think they’d locate him in a drained pond, even if it wasn’t safe for them to enter.

Still, the language did make me wonder. MOO.

 

[10ofRods]

Does anyone know how large the pond is and whether it remains drained or is refilled?

MOO. The statement about not finding him in the pond was less definite than usual (BBM below).



I assume there could have been a buildup of muck in the bottom of the pond that would make it difficult to determine if anything had settled in. That might also prevent searchers from entering a drained pond that is still filled with muck to search. But I assume the same process that causes bodies to rise in water would also apply to even mucky water, assuming the body wasn’t weighted down. IMO. And if they had cadaver dogs, I’d think they’d locate him in a drained pond, even if it wasn’t safe for them to enter.

Still, the language did make me wonder. MOO.

Probably applies to "mucky water" but not to muck/mud itself. I'm just basing that on drownings in Grand Canyon, where one river in particular (Little Colorado) is so silt-filled that people's clothing get weighted down immediately and their bodies frequently never surface, or at least, that's the explanation for several disappearances in that part of the Canyon.

I would assume that the searchers would wade into the muck, though, and use poles to do a grid search.

The language makes me wonder, too, though. And yes, if they took cadaver dogs, one would think they'd locate him. I can't remember if cadaver dogs were mentioned, though.

 

[Mary Ingalls]

There was a case several years ago in San Antonio where a woman Lean Reardon went for a walk and killed herself by hanging herself from a tree. The area had been searched and they missed her. Lots of cedar and scrubby trees. She wasn't found for a a few weeks. Maybe they missed him? Also, why nothing from the friends and family? Something seems odd. I have followed other cases of missing young adults and the family and friends go on a media blitz doing interviews with Nancy Grace, passing out flyers, etc. It just seems very quiet to me.

 

[ElementalLaura]

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I will say the vague info about the contents found at the scene, “some blood” idk this is odd. also asking Jasons friends to track down his electronic trail? Hey LE, why don’t you do that? Lmao, his freakin phone was left at the scene!

I wonder if they pulled his phone & data records (easy if he’s still on his parents’ plan) and found usage during or immediately before the short timeframe in which the accident likely occurred. If it reflects app usage, they may not be able to link it with whomever he was communicating at the time.

Any communication during and immediately preceding the accident timeframe might help them better understand his circumstances (Was he lost? Was he going to surprise his parents with his arrival? Was he hungover from a finals celebration? Was he sick? etc). Hopefully if he was chatting with someone, that person will come forward. MOO.

 

[K9Enzo]

Any thoughts on him driving drunk, wrecking his car and being terrified of getting in trouble and taking off on foot? IMO

 

[mgnsmrt1]

Welcome to WS @mgnsmrt1.

Great question. I can’t say I’ve ever seen this specifically addressed before on WS, wrt to any specific cases here, that I remember.


My guess is yes, but not sure, research required. I did a couple really quick googles, but kept coming up with “wet dog scent” .

Has @Trackergd been in here, btw? What about @K9Enzo? Maybe they have some reference, hollering.

Thank you for your help!

 

[renarde]

This seems like a different area on the same road:

"After the Texas Department of Public Safety searched the area of 4700 Salt Flat Road outside Luling, where Landry’s Nissan Altima was found wrecked and abandoned Dec. 14, DPS handed the investigation to Caldwell County, Sheriff Daniel Law said."

[...]

"Crews have searched more than 20,000 acres using “every possible means to search,” Law said. He said crews have covered nearly 4,000 acres by foot, horse and dogs and almost 17,000 acres using drones and helicopters.

Law said the sheriff’s office has received numerous tips about where Landry could possibly be, and they are investigating all of them."

There are also a few pictures of the search area, including a pond:

Search for missing Texas State student continues 9 days after disappearance | KXAN Austin

 

[soap mama]

I was reminded of Martin Robert’s case as well. As I remember, some thought he may have committed suicide in a location not ever to be found? Such an odd and unfortunate case.

I truly believe Martin walked away and it still in the area. His parents are precious individuals, i hope he contacts them sooner rather than later. Or if he is gone, that they get answers.

 

[Rosiebones]

This seems like a different area on the same road:

"After the Texas Department of Public Safety searched the area of 4700 Salt Flat Road outside Luling, where Landry’s Nissan Altima was found wrecked and abandoned Dec. 14, DPS handed the investigation to Caldwell County, Sheriff Daniel Law said."

[...]

"Crews have searched more than 20,000 acres using “every possible means to search,” Law said. He said crews have covered nearly 4,000 acres by foot, horse and dogs and almost 17,000 acres using drones and helicopters.

Law said the sheriff’s office has received numerous tips about where Landry could possibly be, and they are investigating all of them."

There are also a few pictures of the search area, including a pond:

Search for missing Texas State student continues 9 days after disappearance | KXAN Austin

That seems like an odd comment to me. How could LE receive tips on where he might be? Does this mean someone saw him after the accident? Or, did he contact someone? Did someone pick him up from the accident site?