TX TX - Jason Landry, 21, enroute from TSU to home, car found crashed at Luling, 14 Dec 2020 #3

[kittythehare]

Thank you Kitty! I just can’t shut my mind off, and I’m following so many threads. I definitely will go back and read. I’m sure I’ve forgotten more than I remember.

They specifically request info on the 67 minute window.
All we know so far is that his vehicle was not on that road at 11.30pm but it was there and crashed at 12.30am.
BUT we do not know whether or not any other vehicles drove on that road in between those times.
I imagine LE do, though.
That's a bit of a mystery, unless he stopped to eat or meet somebody but they state the latter is not on , based on the info they have already. Still awaiting some tech and social media companies to return warrant requests. They are very slow.

 

[steeltowngirl]

It is possible he got further because they were searching for a person with injuries who would not have got far.
BUT-if you look at this photograph and see the location of his backpack on the road and on a little further are his clothes. This suggests a gradual weakening or possibility of over heating progressively.
He'd managed to walk 900 feet before he started unloading..Facebook

I think the starting point has to be the presser... it contains lots of information, is one of the longest I've ever read and I find it easy to forget whole chunks of it.

The hallucinogen may be one that provides additional energy to the person who takes it.
There is a possibility that he got further than the search parameters.
There was a vast area search by air and on foot but it's likely that a fingertip search was confined to a smaller area.
(I'm trying to study the presser again to see if anything else jumps out at me)
Here's the link if you fancy re-reading it
Caldwell County Sheriff's Office

Thank you for sharing the Sheriff’s press release @kittythehare. It is incredibly detailed, wow. I think Snapchat will factor into his disappearance.

But what the heck is up with the deceased beta fish in a tumbler??

 

[kittythehare]

Thank you for sharing the Sheriff’s press release @kittythehare. It is incredibly detailed, wow. I think Snapchat will factor into his disappearance.

But what the heck is up with the deceased beta fish in a tumbler??

I think the fish either died in the crash or from hypothermia afterwards.

 

[diggndeeperstill]

I wonder why they focused on the 67 minutes of "digital footprint" rather than "cellphone pings". I mean, normally you would want people to NOT have a digital footprint while driving. Just in this case he never went back to using Waze which is HUGELY significant in my opinion. But, so are the cellphone pings.....and my bet is that those are coming...and if Jason was anywhere other than where we know right now it will be known soon. The question is why not tell us about pings?

I also didn’t notice any holes from barbed wire to cause the blood stain. Was it there? And why would he even have encountered the barbed wire? His car wasn’t on the other side of it?

While I’m asking questions, what had to be blurred out in this image? Caldwell County Sheriff's Office

And for timeline:
From this article- and this article

Search continues for missing Texas State student

Dec.13, 11:24 p.m. - Landry entered the City of Luling on Highway. 80. He quit using the Waze app and started using Snapchat. On East Austin Street, his digital footprint stops.

11:30 or so oil field worker does not see vehicle

12:30 car spotted by volunteer firefighter
Dec. 14, 12:31 a.m. - Landry’s wrecked vehicle was found abandoned in the 2300 block of Salt Flat Road.

My questions- were police on site until 2 am when parents were called? When was car towed? Why was it not left standard 24 hours? Or do they not do that there? In my area they tag your vehicle you have 24 hours to come and get it and then they tow. When exactly did searches begin? We know it’s possible the dogs scent was altered based on the trooper and deputy searching the house. When was that exactly? What made them do that? Was it after the 2 am call? They said in articles they thought it was a dui and someone would come back for car.

And... I really want to know what this volunteer fire call was about. Not that I suspect the fireman at all, but as we all know, sometimes these things are related. Fires, overdoses, assaults, etc.
Missing Texas State student Jason Landry’s abandoned car did not cause immediate concern; police work to overcome early investigative delays
......
map from two points- 9 minutes drive.
Google Maps

 

[steeltowngirl]

The press release says they will test the weed to see if it was possibly laced. Even if that weed is clean, it is possible he took something else that was hallucinogenic prior to beginning his drive, or while driving, and it began to kick in.

The last phone use being with Snapchat is intriguing. (Shades of Abby and Libby, ugh.).

Could he have received a message that caused him to detour, either to pick up a person, or a substance? I know people sometime use FB as a cheap jitney service around here. And Snapchat has some drug ads, apparently. Drug dealers find potential young customers on Snapchat, social media

jmo

 

[fred&edna]

I wonder why they focused on the 67 minutes of "digital footprint" rather than "cellphone pings". I mean, normally you would want people to NOT have a digital footprint while driving. Just in this case he never went back to using Waze which is HUGELY significant in my opinion. But, so are the cellphone pings.....and my bet is that those are coming...and if Jason was anywhere other than where we know right now it will be known soon. The question is why not tell us about pings?

I also didn’t notice any holes from barbed wire to cause the blood stain. Was it there? And why would he even have encountered the barbed wire? His car wasn’t on the other side of it?

While I’m asking questions, what had to be blurred out in this image? Caldwell County Sheriff's Office
View attachment 282503


And for timeline:
From this article- and this article

Search continues for missing Texas State student

Dec.13, 11:24 p.m. - Landry entered the City of Luling on Highway. 80. He quit using the Waze app and started using Snapchat. On East Austin Street, his digital footprint stops.

11:30 or so oil field worker does not see vehicle

12:30 car spotted by volunteer firefighter
Dec. 14, 12:31 a.m. - Landry’s wrecked vehicle was found abandoned in the 2300 block of Salt Flat Road.

My questions- were police on site until 2 am when parents were called? When was car towed? Why was it not left standard 24 hours? Or do they not do that there? In my area they tag your vehicle you have 24 hours to come and get it and then they tow. When exactly did searches begin? We know it’s possible the dogs scent was altered based on the trooper and deputy searching the house. When was that exactly? What made them do that? Was it after the 2 am call? They said in articles they thought it was a dui and someone would come back for car.

And... I really want to know what this volunteer fire call was about. Not that I suspect the fireman at all, but as we all know, sometimes these things are related. Fires, overdoses, assaults, etc.
Missing Texas State student Jason Landry’s abandoned car did not cause immediate concern; police work to overcome early investigative delays
......
map from two points- 9 minutes drive.
Google Maps

Good questions. The only thing I might suggest regarding the blurred part of the photo... it's an officer (who appears to be pointing in the direction of the clothing). Maybe protecting officer's identity?? Just a guess (based on shadow image)

 

[steeltowngirl]

Good questions. The only thing I might suggest regarding the blurred part of the photo... it's an officer (who appears to be pointing in the direction of the clothing). Maybe protecting officer's identity?? Just a guess (based on shadow image)

I see a peek of a person’s face with glasses at the top left of the black bar.

 

[Seattle1]

Good questions. The only thing I might suggest regarding the blurred part of the photo... it's an officer (who appears to be pointing in the direction of the clothing). Maybe protecting officer's identity?? Just a guess (based on shadow image)

I think the photo quality is the result of making a still photo from officer's body camera.

 

[diggndeeperstill]

Good questions. The only thing I might suggest regarding the blurred part of the photo... it's an officer (who appears to be pointing in the direction of the clothing). Maybe protecting officer's identity?? Just a guess (based on shadow image)

Which would mean maybe the deputy and trooper both there together. Surprised they didn’t see the clothes but searched the house. The dad is the one who found clothes the next morning.

 

[Gemmie]

Which would mean maybe the deputy and trooper both there together. Surprised they didn’t see the clothes but searched the house. The dad is the one who found clothes the next morning.

I find it hard to believe anyone driving down that road in the dark, with headlights on, wouldn't see clothes in the road. This is a point I've wondered about a fair amount now. It just seems odd to me. You'd think the headlights would pick up anything, especially something not normally on a gravel road (clothing, etc.). I've got to be missing something.

So that makes me wonder if the clothes weren't there when the deputies arrived. I would have thought they'd have seen them. That skews the timeline but why didn't they see something that was suppose to be there?

 

[diggndeeperstill]

I find it hard to believe anyone driving down that road in the dark, with headlights on, wouldn't see clothes in the road. This is a point I've wondered about a fair amount now. It just seems odd to me. You'd think the headlights would pick up anything, especially something not normally on a gravel road (clothing, etc.). I've got to be missing something.

So that makes me wonder if the clothes weren't there when the deputies arrived. I would have thought they'd have seen them. That skews the timeline but why didn't they see something that was suppose to be there?

They were there in the picture from the body cam of the troopers , at least that looks like clothes to me.

 

[SimplyCass]

Jason Landry - Google My Maps

So, like the Veta Belford case, I tried to create a Google Map with all known landmarks and locations mentioned by LE.

Some pointers

• I haven't the foggiest clue why Google Maps insists on that routing from Point B to C or that deviation after Point C. It should just be a straight shot down I-80.
  
• The coordinates and labels from the area around SFR are from Lulingresident6's photos on this post.
  
• All other points of data are taken from the Caldwell County press release - Log In or Sign Up to View

There are some things that still confuse me. The CCSO press release says that JL went off the east side of the road. Is the photo they posted of the skid marks taken from the correct direction? Is SFR only wide enough for one car so he started from the left side and skidded off onto the right side?

how does that photo of the skid marks align with the body cam footage? I'm guessing that JL dropped the backpack and then the clothes around 900 feet north of that? If so, I could see LE easily overlooking the clothing. They initially towed the car away thinking the driver would come back later. Even IF they thought the driver was a missing person it's a major stretch to assume or think that the clothing 900 feet away was related (I would have thought it was just abandoned old clothing and not related to the driver).

 

[swedeheart]

I find it hard to believe anyone driving down that road in the dark, with headlights on, wouldn't see clothes in the road. This is a point I've wondered about a fair amount now. It just seems odd to me. You'd think the headlights would pick up anything, especially something not normally on a gravel road (clothing, etc.). I've got to be missing something.

So that makes me wonder if the clothes weren't there when the deputies arrived. I would have thought they'd have seen them. That skews the timeline but why didn't they see something that was suppose to be there?

I agree. Makes me start wondering if maybe Jason hid from LE that night, due to whatever he smoked. Maybe he was panicking, and scared of getting caught with drugs. It's hard to imagine how those clothes were missed in the middle of the road. Maybe he had his backpack on him, and came back to the spot after LE cleared out. But then what happened?

Also, Waze can be used as a police detector. Could that be why he was using Waze, since surely he knew how to get home to his parents from college?

 

[Rosiebones]

Is LE asking for information for the whole 67 minutes because they know the engine block was cool to the touch when they arrived, indicating the accident occurred closer to the 11:30 time? Or hot, indicating it just happened?
Does LE know that there were additional Snapchats sent after the intersection and to someone who came and picked him up. There is a 67 minute window and it is only a 30 minute trip down from San Marcos. MOO MOO

 

[happyday]

I think the fish either died in the crash or from hypothermia afterwards.

I think he dropped the tumbler w/water and fish in it with everything else, and the fish died from lack of water. The picture shows the tumbler on its side in the road.

 

[HoustonGuy]

I agree. Makes me start wondering if maybe Jason hid from LE that night, due to whatever he smoked. Maybe he was panicking, and scared of getting caught with drugs. It's hard to imagine how those clothes were missed in the middle of the road. Maybe he had his backpack on him, and came back to the spot after LE cleared out. But then what happened?

Also, Waze can be used as a police detector. Could that be why he was using Waze, since surely he knew how to get home to his parents from college?

Him hiding from this is a really good theory. Hadn't thought of that before.

 

[happyday]

I find it hard to believe anyone driving down that road in the dark, with headlights on, wouldn't see clothes in the road. This is a point I've wondered about a fair amount now. It just seems odd to me. You'd think the headlights would pick up anything, especially something not normally on a gravel road (clothing, etc.). I've got to be missing something.

So that makes me wonder if the clothes weren't there when the deputies arrived. I would have thought they'd have seen them. That skews the timeline but why didn't they see something that was suppose to be there?

Our local on here pointed out that LE could have been coming to the scene from the north (Lockhart) and so did not pass the clothes in the road on the way. I agree it’s surprising they didn’t see them further down from the backpack and fish, but it was very dark and perhaps they just didn’t look past the scene.

 

[happyday]

Him hiding from this is a really good theory. Hadn't thought of that before.

I think he was for sure hiding from LE unless he was already far enough away at that point. He could be close by and just well hidden.

 

[steeltowngirl]

I think he was for sure hiding from LE unless he was already far enough away at that point. He could be close by and just well hidden.

I can’t help but wonder if he wasn’t running from someone else in the car. Did they say if they have video from the intersection? Was this a possible carjacking?

 

[Megnut]

If he was in an altered state when he disrobed (and it would appear he disrobed as opposed to changing clothes because he also removed his watch), it's possible he regained some lucidity, suddenly discovering he was undressed and unaware from which direction he'd come. He may have hidden from BOTH the oil worker AND LE... because he was undressed. But also because he had crashed a car, had weed in his backpack, may have it in his system. If he was on that back road purposefully, it may have been to avoid unwelcome attention from any LE in the first place. Maybe Snapchat was a transaction, a small buy, and then a quick detour to smoke in peace.

If he was actively trying to hide, he may have made tracks to the house, the pond, may have made it farther than anticipated and then sadly succumbed to hypothermia, having been alive for possibly hours without clothing....

I wish, for his family, that he could survive this. Voluntarily missing.... but I fear a simpler, sadder ending.

JMO