TX TX - Jason Landry, 21, enroute from TSU to home, car found crashed at Luling, 14 Dec 2020 #6

[jopalyii]

I think it’s more likely Jason considered the phone falling between the seats as one final sign of his spiritual journey or enlightenment.

I can’t see a reasonable option where Jason spends 4-5 miles trying to dig a phone out of the seat, while driving. Just stop. I also struggle with Jason not going for the phone after the accident, if he was cognizant enough to do so.

IMO, the most straightforward answer is that going down Salt Flat Rd was intentional (even if the decision was made rashly once inside Luling) and that leaving his phone in the seat was a choice.

 

[LauraAnne]

I think it’s more likely Jason considered the phone falling between the seats as one final sign of his spiritual journey or enlightenment.

I can’t see a reasonable option where Jason spends 4-5 miles trying to dig a phone out of the seat, while driving. Just stop. I also struggle with Jason not going for the phone after the accident, if he was cognizant enough to do so.

IMO, the most straightforward answer is that going down Salt Flat Rd was intentional (even if the decision was made rashly once inside Luling) and that leaving his phone in the seat was a choice.

The father described the phone as "lodged up under a seat". I haven't heard this for sure, but imagine the way they located it was trying to call it, and hearing it ring inside the car.

 

[cherrymeg]

No worries, I'm glad to have someone else interesting in unwinding this mystery.

Jason had a backpack and a toiletry bag. The backpack had his PS4 and was pretty full. No laundry bag was found - it's presumed that he hadn't packed any other clothing.

A friend recorded a FaceTime call with Jason a couple of hours before he left in which he's wearing a red shirt - the same/similar one found near the crash site. So it's presumed that he was wearing it when he crashed.

His father found the clothes in the road when he first reached the crash site and recognized them as Jason's (the shirt was from the camp that Jason worked at as a counselor). In the John Lordan interview, he described it as a trail of clothing.

This is copied from a post I made previously on WS on June 21:

Lordan asked KL if the clothes were in one pile, if they could have been chucked out the window while driving. KL said: they were not in one pile, the watch was under his shirt, slides, socks, shorts, and underwear, all within a trail of less than than 100 yards. KL doesn't think they came from JL's bag, since it was so full of gaming equipment.

Thank you for answering my questions. Do you think its odd no one noticed a naked man? I watched a news clip that showed him talking without sound to a friend and the road things were found on. It looks desolate but still it’s weird they haven’t found a body.

 

[Seattle1]

Thank you for answering my questions. Do you think its odd no one noticed a naked man? I watched a news clip that showed him talking without sound to a friend and the road things were found on. It looks desolate but still it’s weird they haven’t found a body.

The crash was sometime around 11 PM - 12 AM in a very dark, isolated industrial area. His dad first arrived at the tow yard and went to the crash site around 8 AM at daylight. I think he likely perished in those 8 hours before his dad arrived. MOO

 

[cherrymeg]

The crash was sometime around 11 PM - 12 AM in a very dark, isolated industrial area. His dad first arrived at the tow yard and went to the crash site around 8 AM at daylight. I think he likely perished in those 8 hours before his dad arrived. MOO

Could he have died in the area without being found? Are there areas were he could have died and disappeared without anyone else being involved? It seems like his car was found and his parents were notified all within hours of his accident.

 

[Seattle1]

Could he have died in the area without being found? Are there areas were he could have died and disappeared without anyone else being involved? It seems like his car was found and his parents were notified all within hours of his accident.

Absolutely he could have died in the area and not been found -- it's an oil field with active and abandoned wells! I believe Jason will eventually be found not too far from where he crashed.

In discussions about Jason, we actually started a thread just to cite cases where victims were later located in areas previously searched. Probably more cases than most are aware of.

ETA: I think Jason being naked probably helped to conceal his body in the brush, ditch, etc., -- any place he may have burrowed in.

 

[LauraAnne]

Could he have died in the area without being found? Are there areas were he could have died and disappeared without anyone else being involved? It seems like his car was found and his parents were notified all within hours of his accident.

He could absolutely be out there. The night he disappeared, there were acres and acres of brown grass about knee-high - as far as the eye could see. If he were lying down in those grasses, naked, you'd literally have to be upon him to see him. If he was curled up, even foot searchers walking 6 feet apart could easily miss him.

Add to that, the area has such an overwhelming odor of crude oil, that smelling a decomposing body is difficult.

I think, based on this new news, that it's very likely he's out there somewhere, and didn't live through the first night.

 

[Spartygirl]

Could he have died in the area without being found? Are there areas were he could have died and disappeared without anyone else being involved? It seems like his car was found and his parents were notified all within hours of his accident.

IMO-- I tend to think this is what happened.

I had other thoughts ( see below) but I am now leaning back toward the above scenario.
He just hasn't been found yet.
Unfortunately, it happens.

I have also thought perhaps someone, driving down that road, may have picked him up and then something nefarious happened.

But I believe it was reported that only the fireman's vehicle was the only one driving in that area, around that time frame and he saw the wrecked vehicle.

However... it is dark, open fields, etc-- there could have been another vehicle that had driven in area and is just not known about.

 

[cherrymeg]

Absolutely he could have died in the area and not been found -- it's an oil field with active and abandoned wells! I believe Jason will eventually be found not too far from where he crashed.

In discussions about Jason, we actually started a thread just to cite cases where victims were later located in areas previously searched. Probably more cases than most are aware of.

Thank you. Sorry for asking things already answered I’m not familiar with Texas or oil fields. I was thinking it was more flat and that would make it easier to find a body. Totally clueless lol.

 

[LauraAnne]

IMO-- I tend to think this is what happened.

I had other thoughts ( see below) but I am now leaning back toward the above scenario.
He just hasn't been found yet.
Unfortunately, it happens.

I have also thought perhaps someone, driving down that road, may have picked him up and then something nefarious happened.

But I believe it was reported that only the fireman's vehicle was the only one driving in that area, around that time frame and he saw the wrecked vehicle.

However... it is dark, open fields, etc-- there could have been another vehicle that had driven in area and is just not known about.

The bolded is why the family is pushing for a geofence warrant. Because we don't know whether there was another car before the fireman's vehicle arrived on the scene.

 

[cherrymeg]

IMO-- I tend to think this is what happened.

I had other thoughts ( see below) but I am now leaning back toward the above scenario.
He just hasn't been found yet.
Unfortunately, it happens.

I have also thought perhaps someone, driving down that road, may have picked him up and then something nefarious happened.

But I believe it was reported that only the fireman's vehicle was the only one driving in that area, around that time frame and he saw the wrecked vehicle.

However... it is dark, open fields, etc-- there could have been another vehicle that had driven in area and is just not known about.

None of his stuff like his video game system or his weed seems to be missing. I don’t know if had clothes and changed but what would make him do that? This is such a weird disappearance.

 

[cherrymeg]

He could absolutely be out there. The night he disappeared, there were acres and acres of brown grass about knee-high - as far as the eye could see. If he were lying down in those grasses, naked, you'd literally have to be upon him to see him. If he was curled up, even foot searchers walking 6 feet apart could easily miss him.

Add to that, the area has such an overwhelming odor of crude oil, that smelling a decomposing body is difficult.

I think, based on this new news, that it's very likely he's out there somewhere, and didn't live through the first night.

Crude oil messing with the scent makes sense.

 

[swedeheart]

SEARCH FOR JASON LANDRY: Body cam video from Trooper Cristobal Flores

 

[Friday Fan]

None of his stuff like his video game system or his weed seems to be missing. I don’t know if had clothes and changed but what would make him do that? This is such a weird disappearance.

I saw this a few threads back: Subarachnoid hemorrhage (SAH) is a head injury that apparently cause one to feel extremely hot.

That's the only explanation that makes sense to me. None of the other ones make sense. The possible psychedelics does not makes sense. There is no evidence of bath salts or flakka or something weird. They did not find any evidence of psychedelics in the pot or in his backpack or anything, it was just a hypothetical put out there by a sheriff's deputy.
TX - TX - Jason Landry, 21, enroute from TSU to home, car found crashed at Luling, 14 Dec 2020 #3 I have to disagree as a former RN and as a person who has experienced an aneurysmal SAH, the heat was immediate and the desire to get cooled superseded the violent. headache.

 

[cherrymeg]

I saw this a few thread back: Subarachnoid hemorrhage (SAH) is a head injury that apparently cause one to feel extremely hot.

That's the only explanation that makes sense to me. None of the other ones make sense. The possible psychedelics does not makes sense. There is no evidence of bath salts or flakka or something weird. They did not find any evidence of psychedelics in the pot or in his backpack or anything, it was just a hypothetical put out there by a sheriff's deputy.
TX - TX - Jason Landry, 21, enroute from TSU to home, car found crashed at Luling, 14 Dec 2020 #3 I have to disagree as a former RN and as a person who has experienced an aneurysmal SAH, the heat was immediate and the desire to get cooled superseded the violent. headache.

That would make sense. Is it weird he took off his underwear? If it was a head injury behavior probably doesn’t make sense. Would there have been blood or a sign of an injury?

 

[LauraAnne]

That would make sense. Is it weird he took off his underwear? If it was a head injury behavior probably doesn’t make sense. Would there have been blood or a sign of an injury?

To me, that's key. This isn't like shedding clothing to feel cooler, or shedding clothing to change into warmer clothing. Stripping down to completely naked on a street is a sign of something other than rational problem solving.

 

[8th Bob-White]

SEARCH FOR JASON LANDRY: Body cam video from Trooper Cristobal Flores

Swedeheart, thanks for posting this link. Seeing the actual footage from that night, seeing the car before it was moved and hearing the trooper talk with the family was helpful to understand law enforcement actions that night. Very sad.

 

[diggndeeperstill]

Swedeheart, thanks for posting this link. Seeing the actual footage from that night, seeing the car before it was moved and hearing the trooper talk with the family was helpful to understand law enforcement actions that night. Very sad.

Agree… anyone ever seen anything like this released before?

 

[Curious_in_NC]

Agree… anyone ever seen anything like this released before?

No, not really.

It also looks like a a dash cam, not a body cam video as the title of the article describes it. And it is by Texas DPS, but was released by CCSO. I'm still thinking it resulted from a FOIA request from FOX7. It clarifies things somewhat. Clearly they (DPS) thought the clothes in the road belonged to JL.
ETA I think it was the VFF suggesting this first.

 

[DeDee]

I saw this a few threads back: Subarachnoid hemorrhage (SAH) is a head injury that apparently cause one to feel extremely hot.

That's the only explanation that makes sense to me. None of the other ones make sense. The possible psychedelics does not makes sense. There is no evidence of bath salts or flakka or something weird. They did not find any evidence of psychedelics in the pot or in his backpack or anything, it was just a hypothetical put out there by a sheriff's deputy.
TX - TX - Jason Landry, 21, enroute from TSU to home, car found crashed at Luling, 14 Dec 2020 #3 I have to disagree as a former RN and as a person who has experienced an aneurysmal SAH, the heat was immediate and the desire to get cooled superseded the violent. headache.

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Source: WiKi
The causes of SAH include head trauma, brain aneurysms, arteriovenous malformation, bleeding disorder and use of blood thinners. Symptoms include neck pain, confusion, irritability, double vision, numbness throughout the body, seizures, sensitivity to light, decreased vision, nausea, shoulder pain, vomiting and rapid loss of alertness.
SAH causes sudden, severe headache, nausea, vomiting and loss of consciousness.
Symptoms
The most common signs and symptoms are as follows:

• Sensory or motor disturbance
• Seizures
• Ptosis (droopy eyelid(s)
• Bruits
• Dysphasia (difficulty swallowing)
• Headache
• Dizziness
• Orbital pain
• Diplopia (double vision)
• Visual loss