TX TX - Jason Landry Missing After Car Found Crashed Near Luling, Dec 2020 #7

[no greed]

I agree that JL most likely sought cover near the crash. I believe he was most likely mentally impaired from the crash. Found himself very disoriented in an environment very unfamiliar. He was likely in a state of mind similar to a dream or hallucinogenic state. I believe the number of private oil wells and storage containers that were near the crash and off limits to searchers is probably why JL’s remains have never been found.

I have all but ruled out that JL was a victim of foul play. The odds of coming across a random bad actor or multiple in a small town late at night is very rare. Add to that a chase down a dark country road. If two or more captured JL one could have driven his car to the crash scene. Then JL having been abducted by bad actors has never been scene again. For what purpose? No ran-some demand. He was not a likely candidate to have much money or valuables. Not a likely candidate for sex trafficking. JL had no known enemies or love rival entanglements. If it did occur it would be one of the rare ones where remains were not discovered. I just don’t see foul play as being the reason for JL’s disappearance.

 

[no greed]

I have all but ruled out that JL was a victim of foul play. The odds of coming across a random bad actor or multiple in a small town late at night is very rare. Add to that a chase down a dark country road. If two or more captured JL one could have driven his car to the crash scene. Then JL having been abducted by bad actors has never been scene again. For what purpose? No ran-some demand. He was not a likely candidate to have much money or valuables. Not a likely candidate for sex trafficking. JL had no known enemies or love rival entanglements. If it did occur it would be one of the rare ones where remains were not discovered. I just don’t see foul play as being the reason for JL’s disappearance.

A third possibility is a s staged disappearance. I feel this is very unlikely as well. A complete change of identity and the separation from your family and friends is very rare. I do feel it would have been possible if well planned. JL was at an age I can see it as a possibility. Maybe not very mature for his age and wanting more independence from his parents without knowing the proper ways of achieving his desires? Without knowing JL personally or the relationship dynamics with his family it is impossible to put the probability of a staged disappearance on a list of explanations. I know that being the son of a “preacher man” is a life that many have difficulties with. Many flourish in those environments as well. It is obvious his family cares deeply for JL and if this “staged disappearance” is what occurred I hope JL will soon reconnect with his family in a mature way. This would be the best case resolution to this mystery disappearance that I can think of.

 

[K9Enzo]

I agree that JL most likely sought cover near the crash. I believe he was most likely mentally impaired from the crash. Found himself very disoriented in an environment very unfamiliar. He was likely in a state of mind similar to a dream or hallucinogenic state. I believe the number of private oil wells and storage containers that were near the crash and off limits to searchers is probably why JL’s remains have never been found.

I believe the impairment was drug related and not from disorientation from the car accident. imo

https://www.fox7austin.com/news/search-missing-texas-state-student-jason-landry?

 

[#JUSTICE4WILDER]

And most people didn’t think Brandon was out there until he was found.

The land that Brandon's remains and clothing was formally owned by a landowner who refused searches on his property. After all the years the property was bought by a new owner. The new landowner was happy to oblige the search team to look for anything on the land. That was what was needed, a willing landowner. That is what took so long for his clothing articles and very limited amount of bones to be found by Jason Watts and the other 9 searchers.

 

[TenaciousTBacon]

Intriguing story from Texas Monthly about the search for Jason Landry.

 

[mlhenn]

Intriguing story from Texas Monthly about the search for Jason Landry.

Interesting read IMO

 

[geojeffrey]

This case is baffling. I know some believe he disappeared due to injury, drug use and a possible mental breakdown...but if that is true, how was he capable of hiding his body so well? I am familiar with Luling and the terrain is treacherous, and Jason was said to be BAREFOOT and undressed. If he had gone off into the oil fields and pastures, he would have been bleeding and leaving a blood trail that would have been clear in the early days, this makes zero sense.

 

[geojeffrey]

And by treacherous terrain, I mean little soil, lots of rocks, many sharp rocks, cactus all over, sticker vines going between trees, sharp branches-an unforgiving landscape. Plus, add in oil fields with barb wire and hurricane/metal fences.

There is NO grass, no walkable areas without proper clothing and shoes, no sidewalks or foot paths.

A naked barefoot person walking here would not make it very far, and clear traces would be left behind for both trackers and SAR dogs.

 

[SimplyCass]

And by treacherous terrain, I mean little soil, lots of rocks, many sharp rocks, cactus all over, sticker vines going between trees, sharp branches-an unforgiving landscape. Plus, add in oil fields with barb wire and hurricane/metal fences.

There is NO grass, no walkable areas without proper clothing and shoes, no sidewalks or foot paths.

A naked barefoot person walking here would not make it very far, and clear traces would be left behind for both trackers and SAR dogs.

I get that. I have wondered about the cuts and blood that Jason would have gotten trying to run in wherever direction he did after taking his clothes off. I just figure that the scene was heavily compromised or unusable by the time this was a possibility.

The issue I have with most of the theories of foul play is simply the lack of knowledge. He left at 11 pm, which is really late (and he had only done the drive once, and in the day time). His parents didn't expect him back that day (only generally, they thought he'd wait a couple more days when his brother and sister were supposed to be in town). The route and times show that he was actually driving faster than a simulated route, so he didn't pick anyone up or was stopped for any extended period of time.

When he crashed, the time isn't known for sure, but no more than 30-45 minutes before the VFF came around and called in the abandoned car.

They even did get the geofence warrant and nothing of note has been reported about it (so far as I know, please correct me if I'm wrong).

i want to emphasize that I don't want to be seen as gatekeeping or trying to shut down other theories. We could use some out of the box thinking. I'm just not seeing where foul play is even a halfway plausible idea.

 

[AngTxGal]

And by treacherous terrain, I mean little soil, lots of rocks, many sharp rocks, cactus all over, sticker vines going between trees, sharp branches-an unforgiving landscape. Plus, add in oil fields with barb wire and hurricane/metal fences.

There is NO grass, no walkable areas without proper clothing and shoes, no sidewalks or foot paths.

A naked barefoot person walking here would not make it very far, and clear traces would be left behind for both trackers and SAR dogs.

I grew up in the part of Texas where Landry went missing.
The land does have grass, but also prickly pear cactus, and mesquite trees full of thorns, and fire ants, rattle snakes.

And at night there would be coyotes, wild dogs, mountain lions, and possibly wild hogs.
If he crossed paths with any of these- compromised by drugs or mental breakdown, he lost. Anything left of him may have become food to hogs.
Hogs run in packs at night and eat just about anything, including bones

People that live out in those areas do not welcome strangers poking around.

Tragic story, senseless
IMO

 

[geojeffrey]

I get that. I have wondered about the cuts and blood that Jason would have gotten trying to run in wherever direction he did after taking his clothes off. I just figure that the scene was heavily compromised or unusable by the time this was a possibility.

The issue I have with most of the theories of foul play is simply the lack of knowledge. He left at 11 pm, which is really late (and he had only done the drive once, and in the day time). His parents didn't expect him back that day (only generally, they thought he'd wait a couple more days when his brother and sister were supposed to be in town). The route and times show that he was actually driving faster than a simulated route, so he didn't pick anyone up or was stopped for any extended period of time.

When he crashed, the time isn't known for sure, but no more than 30-45 minutes before the VFF came around and called in the abandoned car.

They even did get the geofence warrant and nothing of note has been reported about it (so far as I know, please correct me if I'm wrong).

i want to emphasize that I don't want to be seen as gatekeeping or trying to shut down other theories. We could use some out of the box thinking. I'm just not seeing where foul play is even a halfway plausible idea.

Jason was known to be naked and barefoot in a rough, hazardous and unforgiving environment with likely bleeding (a target rich situation for tracker dogs). YET, there is no usable scent trail, despite known bare skin on ground, but somehow he managed to successfully traverse to an unknown location and hide himself so effectively that years later, no trace has been found. Even though with every step, his injuries would increase and more and more blood would be lost. The Texas Monthly articles states that trackers using trained dogs began looking for a track the evening after Jason disappeared. The weather was cool and dry.

If we were talking about a missing woman under the same circumstances, all would say FOUL PLAY.

 

[geojeffrey]

I grew up in the part of Texas where Landry went missing.
The land does have grass, but also prickly pear cactus, and mesquite trees full of thorns, and fire ants, rattle snakes.

And at night there would be coyotes, wild dogs, mountain lions, and possibly wild hogs.
If he crossed paths with any of these- compromised by drugs or mental breakdown, he lost. Anything left of him may have become food to hogs.
Hogs run in packs at night and eat just about anything, including bones

People that live out in those areas do not welcome strangers poking around.

Tragic story, senseless
IMO

there are grasses, tall, sharp and high grasses. My comment about no grass should have said: no walkable grass.

Can you share any examples of when wild hogs ate bodies, bones and all? Maybe it is technically possible, but has it happened?

And, agreed about the risks to unwelcome strangers poking around. In the Texas Monthly, this was touched on and certainly sounds plausible.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

? I am familiar with Luling and the terrain is treacherous, and Jason was said to be BAREFOOT and undressed. If he had gone off into the oil fields and pastures, he would have been bleeding and leaving a blood trail that would have been clear in the early days, this makes zero sense.

Sometimes it's baffling but victims are simply missed. Remember the truck driver who was missed for months, despite being in the corn fields walking-distance from his truck? Searching had taken place.

 

[warp3dwing]

In instances where hypothermia and paradoxical dressing have occurred, what's the furthest from the discarded clothes that a victim has been found? It seems like the deceased is usually found very close to the clothes, as death is imminent by that point.

 

[geojeffrey]

There is a new podcast about the case!!! and it has a discussion with Jason's father about all of the plausible scenarios.