Emmett Trapp wandered 3 miles. He was 2. Another heartbreaking case.
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TX TX - Joshua Davis, 18 months, New Braunfels, 4 Feb 2011 - # 2
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Emmett Trapp wandered 3 miles. He was 2. Another heartbreaking case.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=110933&highlight=emmett&page=19
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News reports and pressers with actual statements from LE.
It's as accurate as I can get it, and any mistakes are solely my fault and will be corrected. This is not an official transcript.
It's long, and I will look up the parents statements tomorrow.
LE Statements about Joshua Davis
"We did have 2 evenings of subfreezing temperatures, presuming that he did wander away from his house, and would have been in one of the fields or wooded areas close to the residence, the survivability would be slim." - Lt. Penshorn - NBPD
http://www.kxan.com/dpp/news/18-month-old-missing-in-new-braunfels
"The parents had indicated that they saw him inside the residence and in a matter of approximately ten to fifteen, twenty minutes had gone by, turned around and the child was gone. " - Lt. Penshorn - NBPD
http://www.kens5.com/news/Parents-and-police-search-for-missing-New-Braunfels-toddler-115374179.html
Penshorn: "At approximately 8:40 p.m., we had officers respond to the 2600 block of Savannah Hills Circle. This was in reference to an eighteen month old child that had wandered out of the residence, at that time, we did have a number of officers, a number of firemen,and EMS personnel that did respond, as well as several other officers from other surrounding agencies, that did assist us with the search. We also did have a DPS helicopter that did come in and was searching the area from air. As of that, last night we did not locate the child. We did change the process of the search a little because of the nighttime hours, we did have people that were primarily mobile, driving around spotlighting, looking for the child and we did resume the actual ground search this morning at approximately 7:30 a.m. As of right now, we do have a number of people that are involved in the search. We have three different entities that are assisting on it right now. We have the Alamo Area Search and Rescue, Travis County Search and Rescue, and also a dog search and rescue from College Station that are assisting in helping us coordinate, and we also have consulted with the Heidi Search Center in San Antonio to assist us in the search. But as of right now, nothing has not been changed, the child has not been located, and we are asking for the public's assistance. If soeone does have any information as to the whereabouts of, or is someone does happen to see or know something specifically regarding the whereabouts of Joshua Davis, we do have a number that they can call, the number is 830-221-4570, we do have a phone bank set up with a number of operators that if anyone does call with information we'll be able to follow up on that information. Any questions that you have?
Reporter: Where was the last place that he was seen at, was it a house?
Penshorn: From what we understand, he was actually seen inside of the residence, there on the 2600 block of Savannah Hills Circle. In talking to the parents, they had seen him and then a matter of approximately ten minutes went by to twenty minutes, and they turn around and he was not there. ALthough the child is only 18 months old, he has been walking since the age of 10 months, and is very mobile, so it is entirely possible that he could have traveled quite a bit of an area in that time period.
Reporter: Do you guys, are you guys leaning towards maybe he went somewhere on his own or that someone possibly kidnapped him?
Penshorn: Right now, we don't have anything that specifically indicates to us that the child has been abducted. Primarily the reason that we were not able to issue an Amber Alert is because according to the Amber Alert guidelines, you have to have certain criteria, that is one of the criteria that we have to suspect an abduction or have information that would lead you to believe that it was an abduction, and we do not have it right now. We are specifically looking at it as the child may have simply wandered off, hopefully is somewhere in the near vicinity and that's how we're handling the search.
Reporter: Could anyone, the parents I guess, face any kind of criminal charges, say...
Penshorn: We aren't looking at any type of criminal actions at this time, we are just primarily concerned with the search and rescue of the child.
Reporter: I undersatnd there's a sex offender living on that street. Have y'all checked him out?
Penshorn: There is one registered sex offender that is across the street from this individual. He's been interviewed, we also have a conducted searches of his vehicles and residence, and as of right now, we have nothing to lead us to believe that he's involved in this missing child.
Reporter: How long did you search last night?
Penshorn: The search basically began at approximately 8:40 when the officers arrived, or 8:30, I believe, was the actual dispatch time, and the search has been ongoing since that time.
Reporter: So you went through the night?
Penshorn: We went through the night. We did have to, we had to change the scale and the scope of the search, just primarily because of the nighttime hours, there were a number of civilians that were involved. Once we did use our Emercency Notification system to notify the surrounding areas, and I believe it was somewhere in the neighborhood of 2400 residents that were contacted. We had somewhere in the area of 100 people that showed up at the scene to assist with the search, and again, not only were we concerned with the child's safety, but we're also concerned with the safety of the searchers, so we did change the scope somewhat for the late night hours, early morning hours, and then we take up the ground search again this morning at approximately 7:30 a.m.
Reporter: How long was it before the parents notified that, or anybody contacted the police, from when they noticed the child was missing?
Penshorn: I believe it was approximately 10 to 20 minutes maybe.
Reporter: Thank you. And you said that they have a back door unlocked or anything like that?
Penshorn: There's a front door to the residence theres also a glass door and the glass door doesn't necessarily latch so it is concievable that the child could have been able to exit the residence without being detected.
Reporter: Do you guys think that he could have gone that far within...
Penshorn, From what we understand, being that the child has been able to walk for approximately ten months, and talking and interviewing some of the other family members that were present, he is able to travel rather quickly and it is concievable that he could have gone, especially after this amount of time, he could have gone quite some distance.
Reporter: Can he talk, can he say something or he's just, you know...
Penshorn: From what I understand, he does speak somewhat. Keeping in mind that he is eighteen months old, I'm not sure exactly the specifics of how much information he would be able to provide, an address or anything like that.
Reporter: How is the family, can you say, how is the family, what's going on, are they...
Penshorn: Obviously, the family is distraught about the situation and I'm sure their main concern is that the child is located.
Reporter: And the mom and dad were the only ones home at the time?
Penshorn: There were actually a number of other family members that we did interview that were also there at that time.
Reporter: Do they all live in the area? Are they, the other family members?
Penshorn: They primarily all live here, in the New Braunfel area.
Reporter: So did you go house to house last night?
Penshorn: We conducted multiple searches of the residence, we conducted door to door contacts with every single resident on Savannah Hill Circle, which there were several. We actually made contact with every single homeowner, and made multiple sweeps of the area, obviously by air and on foot throughout the night.
Reporter: Have you guys ever encountered anything like this, an eighteen month old, you know, wandering around in the streets?
Penshorn: We have had the circumstance with other missing children, we actually had a case approximately a week and a half ago, where we had a three month old child that went missing from an apartment complex here in New Braunfels. Fortunatley, we were able to locate him within a matter of hours, and he was in an apartment that initially we had dtried to make contact several times and no one answered the door and he was there with some other small children, we were able to recover him safely.
Reporter: So what's next for you guys now? What's the next phase?
Penshorn: Right now, we're just continuing the search. We have put ou tinformation, specifically, if there are colunteers that do want to assist, that they can come to Klein Road Elementary. We've had somwehere in the area of 100 volunteers that have arrived now, and the actual search is being coordinated with the three groups I mentioned before, specifically having the area gridded and we can go through and do a very meticulous, organized search of the area.
Reporter: What was the boy, the baby boy wearing at the time?
Penshorn: the specific infomation that we have were he was wearing two different long sleeve shirts, a long sleeve, I believe, a red and blue shirt, and he had another grey tee shirt underneath and then also had a pair of beige jeans on and black and white socks. We do not believe he was wearing shoes at the time.
Reporter: Pretty sure he's in diapers too, right?
Penshorn: Right. He was wearing diapers, as well, yes. Anything else?"
Usual chatter from there on out.
http://kgnb.am/news/video-officials-still-searching-missing-18-month-old-new-braunfels-toddler
“We’re not losing hope. We’re looking at this optimistically and we’re really hoping and praying that he ends up safe." - Lt. Penshorn NBPD
“But we will not be utilizing any more volunteers from the public. We will just be using the specialized search-and-rescue teams. We do ask that any civilian volunteers who were wanting to assist in this case to stay home and monitor the situation in case things do change." - Lt Penshorn NBPD
“Primarily most of the areas were searched on foot.” - Penshorn
“It was an organized search in which areas were organized into specific grids using maps, and each grid had a specific group which was searching just that area. That involved individuals and several K-9 teams.”
He said there is one unsearched section. “We’re coordinating with the property owner and should be covering it tomorrow.”
He said the search plan for tomorrow is to concentrate on the more difficult areas to access. “Tomorrow is going to be more of a targeted search rather than the broad grid search that we’ve been conducting for the past day.” - Penshorn
“Our best course of action is to just continue with the search process, presuming that he just wandered off from the residence.”
“We don’t have anything right now that would indicate to us that it is an abduction." - Penshorn
http://herald-zeitung.com/news/community_alert/article_8d3e2aa6-31a0-11e0-8e42-001cc4c03286.html
“We are trying to be optimistic, but it was very cold last night." - Penshorn
“The child appears to be very mobile, and the fear is that he may have just wandered off." - Penshorn
Read more: http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/lo...ler-in-New-Braunfels-998497.php#ixzz1DWctY16v
*All statements from the police on Saturday, as far as I can tell.*
“We are still hoping that the child can be found alive and safe,” New Braunfels Police Department spokesman Lt. Michael Penshorn said this morning. “But the likelihood at this stage is that rather than locate him, we will recover” the child’s body - Penshorn (Might be bad quotation marks, this is how it was printed.)
http://www.statesman.com/blogs/cont...011/02/06/new_braunfels_police_search_fo.html
"As of right now, we're looking at about 36 hours (that he's been missing) and considering the weather conditions, I guess common sense would dictate that at this point we would in all likelihood be looking at more of a recovery than rescue operation."
"Cadaver dogs have been brought in as part of that transition,the cadaver dogs are more toward the presumption that the child may possibly be deceased."
"We don't have anything to indicate to us that it is an abduction."
"Most of those areas will include some very large areas of property that we haven't been able to search as of yet. The access is a little more difficult. Some of them have very difficult terrain and very thick vegetation. Also there are several large ponds that we'll in all likelihood bringing in dive teams to check."
"We did have an aerial drone that's come in. I'm not sure exactly where they brought it in from." - Penshorn
http://herald-zeitung.com/news/community_alert/article_37cf3ee6-320b-11e0-90fb-001cc4c002e0.html
"...if he was exposed in the wooded area around his family's home, there's little chance that he could have survived those conditions." - Penshorn
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/tx/7415674.html
"We have no indication that he has been found."
"We will continue utilizing area search and rescue teams, as well as K-9 teams using cadaver dogs." - Penshorn
http://herald-zeitung.com/news/community_alert/article_7d9cae28-3241-11e0-893b-001cc4c03286.html
"At this point, the child has not been located, and we are switching from search-and-rescue mode to recovery."
"...have nothing that would indicate he was abducted, or taken away by someone."
"We are proceeding on the idea that the child wandered off by himself." - Penshorn
http://www.polijam.com/index.php?op...cant-find-texas-toddler&catid=53:us&Itemid=29
"As a response to that [the temperatures]. we did bring in additional canine search teams, particularly ones that were specifically looking as cadaver dogs. Looking for a deceased person.
http://www.kens5.com/home/False-hop...th-old-toddler-remains-missing-115457694.html
*News updates from Sunday.*
"We're going to be retracing some of our steps." "Also, we are still interviewing a number of the people associated with the child and, of course, we're expanding that where we have quite a few people that we are bringing just to talk to find out what did happen in this case." - Penshorn
http://www.ksat.com/news/26777491/detail.html
"We don't have any evidence that it was anything other than the child somehow slipping out of the residence and slipping off," Penshorn said. "But we are continuing our parallel investigation, should something else have occurred that evening."
http://herald-zeitung.com/news/community_alert/article_3c448f5c-32f7-11e0-b8d6-001cc4c002e0.html
"We have been receiving some tips throughout the past several days," said Lt. Michael Penshorn of the New Braunfels Police Department. "As we get those tips, we're following up with them specifically, whether it's a search team checking a specific area or just interviewing someone that may possibly know something in relation to this case."
http://www.kens5.com/news/Search-an...-missing-New-Braunfels-toddler-115526659.html
"If the child did indeed wander off, with every hour that goes by, the likelihood of finding him alive somewhere outside becomes less and less," Wibert said. "(Joshua) was not dressed for the weather. Assuming that he did wander outside, he didn't have a heavy coat on ... We've had some very cold nights. The temperature has been below freezing, so that is a huge concern." - Chief Wilbert - NBPD
"If we don't find him in the area where we've been searching, then obviously something else happened to him ... At this point, we don't have witnesses or suspects." - Chief Wilbert - NBPD
"The FBI is flying investigators who specialize in missing children and they should be joining us tomorrow," Wibert said.
"This has got to be one of the biggest cases the New Braunfels Police Department ever had," Chief Tom Wibert said.
"It's been our main focus and we have pulled out the stops. We have people who have done nothing but work and take time off to sleep since last Friday. We are 100 percent invested in this case," - Wilbert.
"We've got a job to do, and we've just got to get it done. We're not leaving anything unchecked," he said. - Sgt. Snyder NBPD
http://herald-zeitung.com/news/community_alert/article_ab34cc8c-332f-11e0-a386-001cc4c002e0.html
*Above are updates from Monday.*
"The first scenario that we are looking at is that somehow the child was able to exit the house ... and basically disappear into the night." - Penshorn
"If for some reason somebody came and took that child, not only would (the people inside) have seen the child leave the residence, but they would have seen somebody come inside and take him." - Penshorn
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/02/08/texas.missing.boy/
"We're expanding the original search radius, which did include a one mile radius, around the actual residence where the child disappeared from. We're also looking at some specific point of interest, underneath some of the trailers and in some certain holes throughout the search area that it wasn't quite easy to access either with the personnel or with that dogs, and of course, we've been consulting with the TX rangers and the FBI through this search, but we're bringing in, we actually have a couple rangers on site now and also FBI's got a number of individuals that are en route here now." - Penshorn
http://kgnb.am/news/fbi-and-texas-rangers-join-search-missing-new-braunfels-toddler
"We've interviewed literally anyone associated with this child and of course our primary focus is that he was able to exit the residence and wander off," said New Braunfels PD Lt. Michael Penshorn.
"We did make contact with him, conducted some searches as well as with some family members of him, and their residences and vehicles as well," said Penshorn in regards to the RSO.
http://www.kvue.com/news/SEARCH-CONTINUES-FOR-MISSING-TODDLER-115595194.html
Above are updates from Tuesday.
"Although we are still searching, our primary focus is shifting more towards the investigation aspect," said New Braunfels Police Department Lt. Michael Penshorn. "We are investigating to find out exactly what happened to Joshua Davis on the evening in question."
Read more: http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Mystery-intensifies-1003212.php#ixzz1DWoxL3qM
“Our searching, from this point on, will be focused on information gathered from tips,” the chief said. - Chief Wilbert.
Read more: http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Mystery-intensifies-1003212.php#ixzz1DWp9Ut4C
"We do not believe that an abduction or kidnapping occurred," said Penshorn, adding that investigators "still believe that he did somehow slip out of the residence undetected, possibly wandering off. But we are also running a parallel investigation looking at other possibilities."
"We're really confident that we very thoroughly covered most of the areas we were looking at in the initial ground search. If he were within that initial search area, he would have been located by now," Penshorn said.
"There's the possibility that he could be out there still. We're just looking at other scenarios, as we have the entire time, and continuing forward," said Penshorn, who appeared on CNN's "Nancy Grace" show Monday night to talk about the case.
"Think of it more as a very broad investigation, where we have to be sure we've covered all of the possibilities," he said.
"They're providing expertise regarding missing children and also have access to additional resources, which I'm sure we'll be utilizing in the near future." - Penshorn
"Since day 1, we've interviewed numerous people associated with the child, also we've checked into the tips that we've gotten," he said. - Penshorn
http://seguingazette.com/news/article_6f33b942-3464-11e0-9a8c-001cc4c002e0.html
"We have no evidence right now whatsoever that it was an abduction or kidnapping," said Lt. Michael Penshorn. "All that we know is that we simply have a child that was there one moment and a matter of minutes later, he disappeared."
http://www.ksat.com/news/26809463/detail.html
“We're looking at all the possible scenarios, and as we're able to determine that something — such as him being in the area around the house — isn't likely, we discount that and we move on to the next thing,” Penshorn said.
Read more: http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/lo...ssing-NB-child-case-1005744.php#ixzz1DWqfh6b1
“We had some teams going back to specific points of interest for additional searches and re-interviewing certain people,” Penshorn said.
Read more: http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/lo...ssing-NB-child-case-1005744.php#ixzz1DWqimwRV
It's as accurate as I can get it, and any mistakes are solely my fault and will be corrected. This is not an official transcript.
It's long, and I will look up the parents statements tomorrow.
LE Statements about Joshua Davis
"We did have 2 evenings of subfreezing temperatures, presuming that he did wander away from his house, and would have been in one of the fields or wooded areas close to the residence, the survivability would be slim." - Lt. Penshorn - NBPD
http://www.kxan.com/dpp/news/18-month-old-missing-in-new-braunfels
"The parents had indicated that they saw him inside the residence and in a matter of approximately ten to fifteen, twenty minutes had gone by, turned around and the child was gone. " - Lt. Penshorn - NBPD
http://www.kens5.com/news/Parents-and-police-search-for-missing-New-Braunfels-toddler-115374179.html
Penshorn: "At approximately 8:40 p.m., we had officers respond to the 2600 block of Savannah Hills Circle. This was in reference to an eighteen month old child that had wandered out of the residence, at that time, we did have a number of officers, a number of firemen,and EMS personnel that did respond, as well as several other officers from other surrounding agencies, that did assist us with the search. We also did have a DPS helicopter that did come in and was searching the area from air. As of that, last night we did not locate the child. We did change the process of the search a little because of the nighttime hours, we did have people that were primarily mobile, driving around spotlighting, looking for the child and we did resume the actual ground search this morning at approximately 7:30 a.m. As of right now, we do have a number of people that are involved in the search. We have three different entities that are assisting on it right now. We have the Alamo Area Search and Rescue, Travis County Search and Rescue, and also a dog search and rescue from College Station that are assisting in helping us coordinate, and we also have consulted with the Heidi Search Center in San Antonio to assist us in the search. But as of right now, nothing has not been changed, the child has not been located, and we are asking for the public's assistance. If soeone does have any information as to the whereabouts of, or is someone does happen to see or know something specifically regarding the whereabouts of Joshua Davis, we do have a number that they can call, the number is 830-221-4570, we do have a phone bank set up with a number of operators that if anyone does call with information we'll be able to follow up on that information. Any questions that you have?
Reporter: Where was the last place that he was seen at, was it a house?
Penshorn: From what we understand, he was actually seen inside of the residence, there on the 2600 block of Savannah Hills Circle. In talking to the parents, they had seen him and then a matter of approximately ten minutes went by to twenty minutes, and they turn around and he was not there. ALthough the child is only 18 months old, he has been walking since the age of 10 months, and is very mobile, so it is entirely possible that he could have traveled quite a bit of an area in that time period.
Reporter: Do you guys, are you guys leaning towards maybe he went somewhere on his own or that someone possibly kidnapped him?
Penshorn: Right now, we don't have anything that specifically indicates to us that the child has been abducted. Primarily the reason that we were not able to issue an Amber Alert is because according to the Amber Alert guidelines, you have to have certain criteria, that is one of the criteria that we have to suspect an abduction or have information that would lead you to believe that it was an abduction, and we do not have it right now. We are specifically looking at it as the child may have simply wandered off, hopefully is somewhere in the near vicinity and that's how we're handling the search.
Reporter: Could anyone, the parents I guess, face any kind of criminal charges, say...
Penshorn: We aren't looking at any type of criminal actions at this time, we are just primarily concerned with the search and rescue of the child.
Reporter: I undersatnd there's a sex offender living on that street. Have y'all checked him out?
Penshorn: There is one registered sex offender that is across the street from this individual. He's been interviewed, we also have a conducted searches of his vehicles and residence, and as of right now, we have nothing to lead us to believe that he's involved in this missing child.
Reporter: How long did you search last night?
Penshorn: The search basically began at approximately 8:40 when the officers arrived, or 8:30, I believe, was the actual dispatch time, and the search has been ongoing since that time.
Reporter: So you went through the night?
Penshorn: We went through the night. We did have to, we had to change the scale and the scope of the search, just primarily because of the nighttime hours, there were a number of civilians that were involved. Once we did use our Emercency Notification system to notify the surrounding areas, and I believe it was somewhere in the neighborhood of 2400 residents that were contacted. We had somewhere in the area of 100 people that showed up at the scene to assist with the search, and again, not only were we concerned with the child's safety, but we're also concerned with the safety of the searchers, so we did change the scope somewhat for the late night hours, early morning hours, and then we take up the ground search again this morning at approximately 7:30 a.m.
Reporter: How long was it before the parents notified that, or anybody contacted the police, from when they noticed the child was missing?
Penshorn: I believe it was approximately 10 to 20 minutes maybe.
Reporter: Thank you. And you said that they have a back door unlocked or anything like that?
Penshorn: There's a front door to the residence theres also a glass door and the glass door doesn't necessarily latch so it is concievable that the child could have been able to exit the residence without being detected.
Reporter: Do you guys think that he could have gone that far within...
Penshorn, From what we understand, being that the child has been able to walk for approximately ten months, and talking and interviewing some of the other family members that were present, he is able to travel rather quickly and it is concievable that he could have gone, especially after this amount of time, he could have gone quite some distance.
Reporter: Can he talk, can he say something or he's just, you know...
Penshorn: From what I understand, he does speak somewhat. Keeping in mind that he is eighteen months old, I'm not sure exactly the specifics of how much information he would be able to provide, an address or anything like that.
Reporter: How is the family, can you say, how is the family, what's going on, are they...
Penshorn: Obviously, the family is distraught about the situation and I'm sure their main concern is that the child is located.
Reporter: And the mom and dad were the only ones home at the time?
Penshorn: There were actually a number of other family members that we did interview that were also there at that time.
Reporter: Do they all live in the area? Are they, the other family members?
Penshorn: They primarily all live here, in the New Braunfel area.
Reporter: So did you go house to house last night?
Penshorn: We conducted multiple searches of the residence, we conducted door to door contacts with every single resident on Savannah Hill Circle, which there were several. We actually made contact with every single homeowner, and made multiple sweeps of the area, obviously by air and on foot throughout the night.
Reporter: Have you guys ever encountered anything like this, an eighteen month old, you know, wandering around in the streets?
Penshorn: We have had the circumstance with other missing children, we actually had a case approximately a week and a half ago, where we had a three month old child that went missing from an apartment complex here in New Braunfels. Fortunatley, we were able to locate him within a matter of hours, and he was in an apartment that initially we had dtried to make contact several times and no one answered the door and he was there with some other small children, we were able to recover him safely.
Reporter: So what's next for you guys now? What's the next phase?
Penshorn: Right now, we're just continuing the search. We have put ou tinformation, specifically, if there are colunteers that do want to assist, that they can come to Klein Road Elementary. We've had somwehere in the area of 100 volunteers that have arrived now, and the actual search is being coordinated with the three groups I mentioned before, specifically having the area gridded and we can go through and do a very meticulous, organized search of the area.
Reporter: What was the boy, the baby boy wearing at the time?
Penshorn: the specific infomation that we have were he was wearing two different long sleeve shirts, a long sleeve, I believe, a red and blue shirt, and he had another grey tee shirt underneath and then also had a pair of beige jeans on and black and white socks. We do not believe he was wearing shoes at the time.
Reporter: Pretty sure he's in diapers too, right?
Penshorn: Right. He was wearing diapers, as well, yes. Anything else?"
Usual chatter from there on out.
http://kgnb.am/news/video-officials-still-searching-missing-18-month-old-new-braunfels-toddler
“We’re not losing hope. We’re looking at this optimistically and we’re really hoping and praying that he ends up safe." - Lt. Penshorn NBPD
“But we will not be utilizing any more volunteers from the public. We will just be using the specialized search-and-rescue teams. We do ask that any civilian volunteers who were wanting to assist in this case to stay home and monitor the situation in case things do change." - Lt Penshorn NBPD
“Primarily most of the areas were searched on foot.” - Penshorn
“It was an organized search in which areas were organized into specific grids using maps, and each grid had a specific group which was searching just that area. That involved individuals and several K-9 teams.”
He said there is one unsearched section. “We’re coordinating with the property owner and should be covering it tomorrow.”
He said the search plan for tomorrow is to concentrate on the more difficult areas to access. “Tomorrow is going to be more of a targeted search rather than the broad grid search that we’ve been conducting for the past day.” - Penshorn
“Our best course of action is to just continue with the search process, presuming that he just wandered off from the residence.”
“We don’t have anything right now that would indicate to us that it is an abduction." - Penshorn
http://herald-zeitung.com/news/community_alert/article_8d3e2aa6-31a0-11e0-8e42-001cc4c03286.html
“We are trying to be optimistic, but it was very cold last night." - Penshorn
“The child appears to be very mobile, and the fear is that he may have just wandered off." - Penshorn
Read more: http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/lo...ler-in-New-Braunfels-998497.php#ixzz1DWctY16v
*All statements from the police on Saturday, as far as I can tell.*
“We are still hoping that the child can be found alive and safe,” New Braunfels Police Department spokesman Lt. Michael Penshorn said this morning. “But the likelihood at this stage is that rather than locate him, we will recover” the child’s body - Penshorn (Might be bad quotation marks, this is how it was printed.)
http://www.statesman.com/blogs/cont...011/02/06/new_braunfels_police_search_fo.html
"As of right now, we're looking at about 36 hours (that he's been missing) and considering the weather conditions, I guess common sense would dictate that at this point we would in all likelihood be looking at more of a recovery than rescue operation."
"Cadaver dogs have been brought in as part of that transition,the cadaver dogs are more toward the presumption that the child may possibly be deceased."
"We don't have anything to indicate to us that it is an abduction."
"Most of those areas will include some very large areas of property that we haven't been able to search as of yet. The access is a little more difficult. Some of them have very difficult terrain and very thick vegetation. Also there are several large ponds that we'll in all likelihood bringing in dive teams to check."
"We did have an aerial drone that's come in. I'm not sure exactly where they brought it in from." - Penshorn
http://herald-zeitung.com/news/community_alert/article_37cf3ee6-320b-11e0-90fb-001cc4c002e0.html
"...if he was exposed in the wooded area around his family's home, there's little chance that he could have survived those conditions." - Penshorn
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/tx/7415674.html
"We have no indication that he has been found."
"We will continue utilizing area search and rescue teams, as well as K-9 teams using cadaver dogs." - Penshorn
http://herald-zeitung.com/news/community_alert/article_7d9cae28-3241-11e0-893b-001cc4c03286.html
"At this point, the child has not been located, and we are switching from search-and-rescue mode to recovery."
"...have nothing that would indicate he was abducted, or taken away by someone."
"We are proceeding on the idea that the child wandered off by himself." - Penshorn
http://www.polijam.com/index.php?op...cant-find-texas-toddler&catid=53:us&Itemid=29
"As a response to that [the temperatures]. we did bring in additional canine search teams, particularly ones that were specifically looking as cadaver dogs. Looking for a deceased person.
http://www.kens5.com/home/False-hop...th-old-toddler-remains-missing-115457694.html
*News updates from Sunday.*
"We're going to be retracing some of our steps." "Also, we are still interviewing a number of the people associated with the child and, of course, we're expanding that where we have quite a few people that we are bringing just to talk to find out what did happen in this case." - Penshorn
http://www.ksat.com/news/26777491/detail.html
"We don't have any evidence that it was anything other than the child somehow slipping out of the residence and slipping off," Penshorn said. "But we are continuing our parallel investigation, should something else have occurred that evening."
http://herald-zeitung.com/news/community_alert/article_3c448f5c-32f7-11e0-b8d6-001cc4c002e0.html
"We have been receiving some tips throughout the past several days," said Lt. Michael Penshorn of the New Braunfels Police Department. "As we get those tips, we're following up with them specifically, whether it's a search team checking a specific area or just interviewing someone that may possibly know something in relation to this case."
http://www.kens5.com/news/Search-an...-missing-New-Braunfels-toddler-115526659.html
"If the child did indeed wander off, with every hour that goes by, the likelihood of finding him alive somewhere outside becomes less and less," Wibert said. "(Joshua) was not dressed for the weather. Assuming that he did wander outside, he didn't have a heavy coat on ... We've had some very cold nights. The temperature has been below freezing, so that is a huge concern." - Chief Wilbert - NBPD
"If we don't find him in the area where we've been searching, then obviously something else happened to him ... At this point, we don't have witnesses or suspects." - Chief Wilbert - NBPD
"The FBI is flying investigators who specialize in missing children and they should be joining us tomorrow," Wibert said.
"This has got to be one of the biggest cases the New Braunfels Police Department ever had," Chief Tom Wibert said.
"It's been our main focus and we have pulled out the stops. We have people who have done nothing but work and take time off to sleep since last Friday. We are 100 percent invested in this case," - Wilbert.
"We've got a job to do, and we've just got to get it done. We're not leaving anything unchecked," he said. - Sgt. Snyder NBPD
http://herald-zeitung.com/news/community_alert/article_ab34cc8c-332f-11e0-a386-001cc4c002e0.html
*Above are updates from Monday.*
"The first scenario that we are looking at is that somehow the child was able to exit the house ... and basically disappear into the night." - Penshorn
"If for some reason somebody came and took that child, not only would (the people inside) have seen the child leave the residence, but they would have seen somebody come inside and take him." - Penshorn
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/02/08/texas.missing.boy/
"We're expanding the original search radius, which did include a one mile radius, around the actual residence where the child disappeared from. We're also looking at some specific point of interest, underneath some of the trailers and in some certain holes throughout the search area that it wasn't quite easy to access either with the personnel or with that dogs, and of course, we've been consulting with the TX rangers and the FBI through this search, but we're bringing in, we actually have a couple rangers on site now and also FBI's got a number of individuals that are en route here now." - Penshorn
http://kgnb.am/news/fbi-and-texas-rangers-join-search-missing-new-braunfels-toddler
"We've interviewed literally anyone associated with this child and of course our primary focus is that he was able to exit the residence and wander off," said New Braunfels PD Lt. Michael Penshorn.
"We did make contact with him, conducted some searches as well as with some family members of him, and their residences and vehicles as well," said Penshorn in regards to the RSO.
http://www.kvue.com/news/SEARCH-CONTINUES-FOR-MISSING-TODDLER-115595194.html
Above are updates from Tuesday.
"Although we are still searching, our primary focus is shifting more towards the investigation aspect," said New Braunfels Police Department Lt. Michael Penshorn. "We are investigating to find out exactly what happened to Joshua Davis on the evening in question."
Read more: http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Mystery-intensifies-1003212.php#ixzz1DWoxL3qM
“Our searching, from this point on, will be focused on information gathered from tips,” the chief said. - Chief Wilbert.
Read more: http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Mystery-intensifies-1003212.php#ixzz1DWp9Ut4C
"We do not believe that an abduction or kidnapping occurred," said Penshorn, adding that investigators "still believe that he did somehow slip out of the residence undetected, possibly wandering off. But we are also running a parallel investigation looking at other possibilities."
"We're really confident that we very thoroughly covered most of the areas we were looking at in the initial ground search. If he were within that initial search area, he would have been located by now," Penshorn said.
"There's the possibility that he could be out there still. We're just looking at other scenarios, as we have the entire time, and continuing forward," said Penshorn, who appeared on CNN's "Nancy Grace" show Monday night to talk about the case.
"Think of it more as a very broad investigation, where we have to be sure we've covered all of the possibilities," he said.
"They're providing expertise regarding missing children and also have access to additional resources, which I'm sure we'll be utilizing in the near future." - Penshorn
"Since day 1, we've interviewed numerous people associated with the child, also we've checked into the tips that we've gotten," he said. - Penshorn
http://seguingazette.com/news/article_6f33b942-3464-11e0-9a8c-001cc4c002e0.html
"We have no evidence right now whatsoever that it was an abduction or kidnapping," said Lt. Michael Penshorn. "All that we know is that we simply have a child that was there one moment and a matter of minutes later, he disappeared."
http://www.ksat.com/news/26809463/detail.html
“We're looking at all the possible scenarios, and as we're able to determine that something — such as him being in the area around the house — isn't likely, we discount that and we move on to the next thing,” Penshorn said.
Read more: http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/lo...ssing-NB-child-case-1005744.php#ixzz1DWqfh6b1
“We had some teams going back to specific points of interest for additional searches and re-interviewing certain people,” Penshorn said.
Read more: http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/lo...ssing-NB-child-case-1005744.php#ixzz1DWqimwRV
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Emmett Trapp wandered 3 miles. He was 2. Another heartbreaking case.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=110933&highlight=emmett&page=19
:twocents: I remember when that baby was missing. I also remember when the mom or dad said to their 2 yo get in the car and they went into the house to get the other child and the 2yo went missing in seconds. The baby was found (I think down in a sewer). LE had open up the lid but did not realized the child had fallen so far in. Child was found the next day.
raying: Prayers he is found
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Socks (vs booties) don't usually stay on little toddler feet all that well anyway, but wet socks specifically seems to me would have come off as he walked. I'm having a hard time understanding why (if he wandered away) his socks have not been found.
Also the time line - mom waited 10 to 20 minutes after last seeing him to check - which seems perfectly reasonable to me. He was in his own home, with family - he should have been fine. Dad - assumably starts to search after being alerted by mom. One person left the house and returned between mom last seeing baby and call to LE.
740 - Mom last sees him -
800 - Dad last sees him -
Approx 830 - call to LE went out, after the family searched the house and yard -
840 - Search by LE, FD, EMS, volunteers begins and lasts all night -
My situation currently is 3 adults and 1 teething 7 month old who has a cold - I constantly have to remind myself to check the time when I medicate or give her a bottle, so I have the correct information to pass on to whichever one of us has the "next shift", also asking the same from DD & DS-I-L - half the time I'm pretty sure they are "winging" it...
Mom and dad both having this precise time line when Joshua was "last seen" by either of them (that doesn't actually compute in real time) is weighing heavily on me.
Also the time line - mom waited 10 to 20 minutes after last seeing him to check - which seems perfectly reasonable to me. He was in his own home, with family - he should have been fine. Dad - assumably starts to search after being alerted by mom. One person left the house and returned between mom last seeing baby and call to LE.
740 - Mom last sees him -
800 - Dad last sees him -
Approx 830 - call to LE went out, after the family searched the house and yard -
840 - Search by LE, FD, EMS, volunteers begins and lasts all night -
My situation currently is 3 adults and 1 teething 7 month old who has a cold - I constantly have to remind myself to check the time when I medicate or give her a bottle, so I have the correct information to pass on to whichever one of us has the "next shift", also asking the same from DD & DS-I-L - half the time I'm pretty sure they are "winging" it...
Mom and dad both having this precise time line when Joshua was "last seen" by either of them (that doesn't actually compute in real time) is weighing heavily on me.
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And what she said on NG was
GRACE: And to you, Sabrina Benitez, what happens after 8:00? What happens then?
BENITEZ: That`s when I realized that the baby hadn`t been -- like it wasn`t normal that he hadn`t been in and out the room. That`s when I jumped up and came to see if he was in the room when I realized he wasn`t in that room. He hadn`t been in the living room. And everyone in the house started looking for him.
GRACE: Well, your husband -- the father says he saw the baby at 8:00, so what time did you realize he was missing?
BENITEZ: It was all right around that time. I mean everything happened so quick I wasn`t looking at the clock. But it was all around that time frame.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1102/07/ng.02.html
Sadly...I am losing hope...unless...somebody nearby has him. I read above that LE says it made contact with the homes nearby...can they search them ?? And did anyone interview the big brother ? When did he last see what joshua was doing ? he may have seen something and not realized it's important. Did he see Joshua getting into things ? Maybe playing near the bathroom, kitchen. I am hoping they had someone who specializes with children interview him. He may know the places Joshua played around the home, inside and out.
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I have been having computer problems all day long, and am just now able to log on.
I'm in Austin, and pass through New Braunfels when I go to visit my daughter and granddaughter south of there. She probably lives 5-10 miles from where this happened.
I just can't believe this child hasn't been found yet. It's really eating at me that no answers have been forthcoming. When I finally got on line, I expected to come here, and find that he had been found. Sigh. Where can this baby be?
I just don't understand how it is that a mother turns on a movie for a child, the child goes off in another room, and the mother waits 20 minutes before she gets up? to check. If it'd been me I would've have gotten up to go find him or at least expected the mom to holler to the dad, "Is Joshua out there with you? What's he doing? I turned a movie on for him. Send him back in here."
Then I wonder what he was even doing up? I remember putting my children to bed about 7:00PM at that age, but people are different, have different schedules. It just seems like a mother with a toddler, and another baby due in three weeks would want that toddler in bed early
so she herself could get some rest or at least relax awhile before going to bed herself.
“I last saw my son around 8 last night,” said Josh Davis, Joshua’s father. “He was pulling on my beanie trying to take it off. He was behind my chair. When I told him to stop, he looked at me and smiled. “That was the last time I saw him.”
18 mo. old babies aren't really into entertaining themselves. They get a toy, they take it to mom or dad or brother or grandpa, someone close to them. They get hungry, they want juice, milk, a cookie or a cracker or other snack foods between meals.
So here we are with a mom who hadn't seen her son since 7:40. What was he doing all that time until the father noticed him pulling on his hat?
This really makes no sense to me. Little children are underfoot constantly. They might occupy themselves alone for 5 minutes, but that's about it.
LE doesn't think Joshua was abducted, are thinking less and less he wandered off, but their still sticking to that while they run a criminal investigation.
Are all the people in the house sticking with the same story? Why aren't we hearing their versions of what happened that night? If the grandfather has said anything to the media, I sure haven't seen it. This is bothering me.
When Hailey Cummings disappeared the whole family had been on TV it seems within the first week, and yet it is the families or persons in those families that are likely responsible for her disappearance.
I just don't get it. I'm sure everyone here is just as frustrated that there's been no resolution. I hate to bring it up, but we have buzzards in central Texas. If that child were in a field anywhere, I'm sure the buzzards would have discovered him. They don't take time off from feeding because it's cold outside.
If he'd drowned in a pond, his little body would've floated to the top by now if he wasn't weighed down. I don't know how long a body will float before sinking again though.
An abduction seems so unlikely at night. Someone would have to see him in his yard in the dark. I don't understand though when the police say there's no evidence of an abduction.
A child out on a cold night, it's doubtful anyone else is going to be outside so if he were abducted it's entirely possible that no one saw him taken. And if that's the case, what kind of evidence would there even be?
I'm rambling, so I'll stop. I just want to see closure in this story one way or another.
I'll never forget when my second child learned how to open the front door,, and wandered off. Thank goodness I had the best dog in the world who wouldn't let my boy out of his sight. They didn't get far, but it was far enough, and scared the bejeebers out of me. From that point on, I made sure all the exterior doors had deadbolts that had to be key operated so no little busy monkey could be fiddling with the locks.
I'm in Austin, and pass through New Braunfels when I go to visit my daughter and granddaughter south of there. She probably lives 5-10 miles from where this happened.
I just can't believe this child hasn't been found yet. It's really eating at me that no answers have been forthcoming. When I finally got on line, I expected to come here, and find that he had been found. Sigh. Where can this baby be?
I just don't understand how it is that a mother turns on a movie for a child, the child goes off in another room, and the mother waits 20 minutes before she gets up? to check. If it'd been me I would've have gotten up to go find him or at least expected the mom to holler to the dad, "Is Joshua out there with you? What's he doing? I turned a movie on for him. Send him back in here."
Then I wonder what he was even doing up? I remember putting my children to bed about 7:00PM at that age, but people are different, have different schedules. It just seems like a mother with a toddler, and another baby due in three weeks would want that toddler in bed early
so she herself could get some rest or at least relax awhile before going to bed herself.
“I last saw my son around 8 last night,” said Josh Davis, Joshua’s father. “He was pulling on my beanie trying to take it off. He was behind my chair. When I told him to stop, he looked at me and smiled. “That was the last time I saw him.”
18 mo. old babies aren't really into entertaining themselves. They get a toy, they take it to mom or dad or brother or grandpa, someone close to them. They get hungry, they want juice, milk, a cookie or a cracker or other snack foods between meals.
So here we are with a mom who hadn't seen her son since 7:40. What was he doing all that time until the father noticed him pulling on his hat?
This really makes no sense to me. Little children are underfoot constantly. They might occupy themselves alone for 5 minutes, but that's about it.
LE doesn't think Joshua was abducted, are thinking less and less he wandered off, but their still sticking to that while they run a criminal investigation.
Are all the people in the house sticking with the same story? Why aren't we hearing their versions of what happened that night? If the grandfather has said anything to the media, I sure haven't seen it. This is bothering me.
When Hailey Cummings disappeared the whole family had been on TV it seems within the first week, and yet it is the families or persons in those families that are likely responsible for her disappearance.
I just don't get it. I'm sure everyone here is just as frustrated that there's been no resolution. I hate to bring it up, but we have buzzards in central Texas. If that child were in a field anywhere, I'm sure the buzzards would have discovered him. They don't take time off from feeding because it's cold outside.
If he'd drowned in a pond, his little body would've floated to the top by now if he wasn't weighed down. I don't know how long a body will float before sinking again though.
An abduction seems so unlikely at night. Someone would have to see him in his yard in the dark. I don't understand though when the police say there's no evidence of an abduction.
A child out on a cold night, it's doubtful anyone else is going to be outside so if he were abducted it's entirely possible that no one saw him taken. And if that's the case, what kind of evidence would there even be?
I'm rambling, so I'll stop. I just want to see closure in this story one way or another.
I'll never forget when my second child learned how to open the front door,, and wandered off. Thank goodness I had the best dog in the world who wouldn't let my boy out of his sight. They didn't get far, but it was far enough, and scared the bejeebers out of me. From that point on, I made sure all the exterior doors had deadbolts that had to be key operated so no little busy monkey could be fiddling with the locks.
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The family can make the call to TES, but TES does not seem to be actively getting on the ground unless they have LE's blessing, so effectively we are back to LE being the ones to call. Frustrating, I know, at least it is from where I sit.
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I meant to ask this earlier; doesn't the family have to ask TES personally?
I remember the craziness of Caylee - Cindy placed the call (IIRC after someone here forwarded the info to her) she asked TimM for their help, then changed her mind - TES was going to pull out, then TimM said ENOUGH! You asked for us, we're here, we're searching for Caylee. Later we found out all the rest of the BS that went on behind the scenes.
Anyway, sorry for the OT but IIRC the family has to make the request (LE has a say in there also)...
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Just off the top of my head...
There was no "evidence" that an abduction had occurred in these cases, until an arrest was made and/or a body found.
Somer Thompson
Adam Walsh
Elizabeth Ennen
Elizabeth Olten
There still is NOT evidence of abduction or proof otherwise, in these cases. No arrests (for the missing child.)
Kyron Horman
Haleigh Cummings
Hailey Dunn
Phylicia Barnes
Brittanee Drexel
Lindsey Baum
Adji Desir
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I really wonder why we haven't seen any interviews by the media with the other people in that house that night?
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So, whilet at a re-cert class I started jotting down thoughts. I'll spit them all out and then see what everyone thinks.
4 Scenarios
1. wandered off
2. taken by someone in house (either alive or because they hurt him somehow)
3. taken by stranger
4. hurt either by accident or on purpose by family member
I see scenario 3 as being highly unlikely.
Caution, some of this may be upsetting, please don't read if it might bother you
Scenario 1
I don't feel the area in a 1 mile area has been cleared, it would take days to do so completely. Have they done line searches and then cross gridded them (effectively doing the same line search but perpendicular to the way you did it the first time)
Have they checked every pond and small body of water in that same area? There appear to be a lot of them. Both of these things are highly time consuming.
Expanding to 2 miles=do the exact same thing all over for 2nd mile. 1 square mile is almost 28 million square feet 640 acres, it's a lot more ground to cover than most think. Especially when you are looking for an 18 month old baby who is 2 ft tall and going to be a whole lot smaller if curled into a ball.
Scenario 2 and even 4
we are looking at a 30 minute window from the time Dad last saw him to the time the 911 call was made. There has been no information out saying that these times are incorrect. If Dad said 8 and he was out in the livingroom with others, then there would be multiple people who saw him at this time. So, what could have happened in that 30 min. window? Not much time to hurt/kill a child and dispose of him. The most likely scenario would be to hide the body for future disposal. Where would that be? Shed? Car? Do neighbors leave their cars unlocked? What neighbors have sheds or something similar that would work? HRD dogs were brought out, no word as to whether they hit on anything or not. What they did not do use find Joshua. Did they check the cars of everyone who was there that night? Who would have had time/ability to do it after the 911 call was made? I'm seeing some real logistical issues here with trying to pin this on them.
As for scenario 3....
What are the odds of a stranger driving down that street at 8 at night when an 18 month old happens to wander outside? I'm going with astronomically unlikely.
4 Scenarios
1. wandered off
2. taken by someone in house (either alive or because they hurt him somehow)
3. taken by stranger
4. hurt either by accident or on purpose by family member
I see scenario 3 as being highly unlikely.
Caution, some of this may be upsetting, please don't read if it might bother you
Scenario 1
I don't feel the area in a 1 mile area has been cleared, it would take days to do so completely. Have they done line searches and then cross gridded them (effectively doing the same line search but perpendicular to the way you did it the first time)
Have they checked every pond and small body of water in that same area? There appear to be a lot of them. Both of these things are highly time consuming.
Expanding to 2 miles=do the exact same thing all over for 2nd mile. 1 square mile is almost 28 million square feet 640 acres, it's a lot more ground to cover than most think. Especially when you are looking for an 18 month old baby who is 2 ft tall and going to be a whole lot smaller if curled into a ball.
Scenario 2 and even 4
we are looking at a 30 minute window from the time Dad last saw him to the time the 911 call was made. There has been no information out saying that these times are incorrect. If Dad said 8 and he was out in the livingroom with others, then there would be multiple people who saw him at this time. So, what could have happened in that 30 min. window? Not much time to hurt/kill a child and dispose of him. The most likely scenario would be to hide the body for future disposal. Where would that be? Shed? Car? Do neighbors leave their cars unlocked? What neighbors have sheds or something similar that would work? HRD dogs were brought out, no word as to whether they hit on anything or not. What they did not do use find Joshua. Did they check the cars of everyone who was there that night? Who would have had time/ability to do it after the 911 call was made? I'm seeing some real logistical issues here with trying to pin this on them.
As for scenario 3....
What are the odds of a stranger driving down that street at 8 at night when an 18 month old happens to wander outside? I'm going with astronomically unlikely.
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I just wonder if the family called TES and TES called LE to OFFER help...
Right now it appears LE is kinda trying to cover their a$$... I wonder if they would really turn down searchers willing to search, when they have essentially quit searching?
It would make them look pretty bad when they appear to be trying to repair their image already... other recent cases where LE didn't allow TES to come in, they didn't seem to concerned about their image.
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The family or LE yes.
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Good points, sarx.
I agree, an abduction on a cold, dark night is highly unlikely.
If Joshua wandered off, he has to be in a hidden location because like I said, the buzzards would've found him by now if he were out in the open.
I don't know what to think about family involvment. We're not just talking 2 people, we're talking a collusion of a half dozen + or -, plus a six year old boy that was present.
Doesn't it bother you that none of these other people present have been interviewed? That seems so odd to me.
I agree, an abduction on a cold, dark night is highly unlikely.
If Joshua wandered off, he has to be in a hidden location because like I said, the buzzards would've found him by now if he were out in the open.
I don't know what to think about family involvment. We're not just talking 2 people, we're talking a collusion of a half dozen + or -, plus a six year old boy that was present.
Doesn't it bother you that none of these other people present have been interviewed? That seems so odd to me.
sarx
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Another good point and one I've heard conflicting reports on, buzzards. What's the word, are they in the area or has it been too cold? We have them all year long here, but in Hailey's case I keep hearing that in some parts of Texas they are seasonal. Any resident buzzard experts? lol.
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