TX TX - Julie Moseley, 9, Mary Trlica, 17, Lisa Wilson, 14, Fort Worth, 23 Dec 1974 #6

[Ozoner]

II think a certain business premises may have been used to dispose of the bodies.

Indeed, is it possible that the scenario that you outlined above could have played out at this premises as opposed to the house ? My geography of the area is not that good.

I think it would be a little far fetched to think that Rachel drove to the transmission shop with the other girls—there would have been no reason for her to do that—but the other girls could have been murdered there.

The girls could have been drowned in the barrels of transmission fluid that were allegedly disposed of soon after the girls disappeared.

Or, all Renee and Julie might simply have been bound and gagged and stuffed into empty barrels, along with Rachel, who I'm certain was already dead. The barrels might then have been taken to the local scrap metal furnace to be melted down. The bodies would have been cremated in the process.

 

[jetsfanjohn]

Yes I read the theory about the barrels on an earlier thread and think it is quite possible that the bodies could have been disposed of in them, if certain a person(s) were responsible.

I really hope that they didn't go into the furnace, though,then all evidence is long gone.

 

[Ozoner]

Yes I read the theory about the barrels on an earlier thread and think it is quite possible that the bodies could have been disposed of in them, if certain a person(s) were responsible.

I really hope that they didn't go into the furnace, though,then all evidence is long gone.

If the barrels were simply buried, then they could be anywhere and might never be found. They could be found by blind luck, but it would be exactly that.

<modsnip: accusing non POI>

 

[tilomagnet]

Do you think the murder of Rachel was pre-planned or that Rachel saw or heard something that she wasnt supposed to and was killed to silence her or a struggle ensued and she died during that?

 

[HmmMysterious]

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[jetsfanjohn]

Do you think the murder of Rachel was pre-planned or that Rachel saw or heard something that she wasnt supposed to and was killed to silence her or a struggle ensued and she died during that?

I don't think it was a case where Rachel saw or heard something that she wasnt supposed to. There was an infrequent poster here who suggested something along those lines, a year or two ago. He suggested that there was another stop off on the way to the Shopping Mall and the girls were murdered at this location. I guess this could be possible. He also suggested that the 'Runaway' note was penned by someone known to the girls as a message to the perps, to say that they were not going to turn them in to FWPD. I believe the person who posted this scenario on Websleuths may have been the second PI (Dan James) who investigated the case.

I don't think it was pre planned murder as such, either. JMO, I think someone close to Rachel may have received information that morning that made them lose control.

I could also picture a scenario whereby, for example, certain people close to Rachel borrowed money from the wrong people (e.g. organised crime) to keep their business afloat. Maybe Rachel could have been kidnapped if the money was not being paid back. But why take the risk of kidnapping the other two girls ? Also, in that scenario you would expect a ransom note demanding money for their safe return, rather than the 'Runaway' note.

 

[snakefinger]

There was an infrequent poster here who suggested something along those lines, a year or two ago. He suggested that there was another stop off on the way to the Shopping Mall and the girls were murdered at this location. I guess this could be possible. He also suggested that the 'Runaway' note was penned by someone known to the girls as a message to the perps, to say that they were not going to turn them in to FWPD. I believe the person who posted this scenario on Websleuths may have been the second PI (Dan James) who investigated the case.

Did that reference two brothers? I remember seeing something like that but haven't been able to find the post I remember reading. It was some time back.

 

[Sneaker33]

I never considered the possibility of the note being written as a "coded message" which is entirely possible. I don't think the girls were killed right away. The only thing I am sure of is people close to the case have withheld and/or shared false information.

 

[jetsfanjohn]

Did that reference two brothers? I remember seeing something like that but haven't been able to find the post I remember reading. It was some time back.

I am not sure if that post mentions the two brothers, but I do recall hearing about the two brothers in a podcast. They both seem like nasty pieces of work and they would have been in the eldest girls 'orbit' so to speak. I think she knew them through school or something like that.

However, I get the impression that bad as they undoubtedly were, I don't think they had the 'horsepower' behind them to murder three girls and not leave a trace.

Going back to the second PI (Dan James), I seem to recall reading that he had a timeline for the girls that went as far as 4.30pm on December 23rd 1974. I would love to know how that timeline went.

The only way that works for me is that if the girls didn't leave for their shopping trip until some time in the early afternoon.

 

[jetsfanjohn]

I never considered the possibility of the note being written as a "coded message" which is entirely possible. I don't think the girls were killed right away. The only thing I am sure of is people close to the case have withheld and/or shared false information.

Why do you think the girls were not killed right away ? I am not in any way knocking your theory, just curious.

 

[Sneaker33]

Why do you think the girls were not killed right away ? I am not in any way knocking your theory, just curious.

One of many theories. Of course, I do not know. Perhaps it is the secrecy and changing stories of key players. I know Mr. A had financial problems years prior to his illness. He had made a business arrangement with Rachel's husband. The older sister had been engaged to TT initially. D had returned from Houston to stay with R&T and left shortly after R disappeared. It is possible she came back for a reason other than the one she gave. There is the strange bit about boyfriend riding all night to see her and leaving. Another strange connection is the second husband of Rachel's mother who was a friend of Mr. A. That man discovered the murdered body of a friend of the two older girls years later.

 

[jetsfanjohn]

One of many theories. Of course, I do not know. Perhaps it is the secrecy and changing stories of key players. I know Mr. A had financial problems years prior to his illness. He had made a business arrangement with Rachel's husband. The older sister had been engaged to TT initially. D had returned from Houston to stay with R&T and left shortly after R disappeared. It is possible she came back for a reason other than the one she gave. There is the strange bit about boyfriend riding all night to see her and leaving. Another strange connection is the second husband of Rachel's mother who was a friend of Mr. A. That man discovered the murdered body of a friend of the two older girls years later.

Yes they boyfriend driving all night to Fort Worth and not hanging around is curious. Was it the night of the 23rd that he is supposed to have been in Fort Worth ? I would like to know more about his movements and how he fits into the events (if he does at all).

 

[tilomagnet]

I never considered the possibility of the note being written as a "coded message" which is entirely possible. I don't think the girls were killed right away. The only thing I am sure of is people close to the case have withheld and/or shared false information.

The Coded Message theory is interesting, but I Wonder how the A's would make Sure that it actually reached the perps, i.e. that LE would make the note public? I think in the End that sort of worked, As LE acknowledged the Note, but didnt publicitze the actual content until many years later.

 

[Ozoner]

The Coded Message theory is interesting, but I Wonder how the A's would make Sure that it actually reached the perps, i.e. that LE would make the note public? I think in the End that sort of worked, As LE acknowledged the Note, but didn't publicize the actual content until many years later.

The coded-message theory seems extremely far-fetched to me.

The note didn't do anything but buy the perps time to conceal or destroy the bodies or other evidence and finishing cleaning up the initial crime scene (which I am thoroughly convinced was the house on Minot).

 

[Sneaker33]

Yes they boyfriend driving all night to Fort Worth and not hanging around is curious. Was it the night of the 23rd that he is supposed to have been in Fort Worth ? I would like to know more about his movements and how he fits into the events (if he does at all).

It was either that or the 24th. I believe he was also quite a bit older and closer in age to Mr. A. I don't understand the sister leaving the area and marrying a new boyfriend within such a short time. Her father was very sick and her younger brother was about 11.

 

[Sneaker33]

The coded-message theory seems extremely far-fetched to me.

The note didn't do anything but buy the perps time to conceal or destroy the bodies or other evidence and finishing cleaning up the initial crime scene (which I am thoroughly convinced was the house on Minot).

Do you believe the homes were ever examined by law enforcement? I recall RA saying LE investigated his childhood home. I would imagine the house on Minot was at some time. It is a very short period of time for non-professionals to have a plan and the means to move three bodies. Did the volunteer investigator (Dan James) first suggest the note was a code? I have never been quite sure about his role in the investigation. I had read his background was working with defendants. I do not know what to think other than info has been withheld. I have not ruled out the girls could have lived. It is possible although not likely.

 

[Ozoner]

Do you believe the homes were ever examined by law enforcement? I recall RA saying LE investigated his childhood home. I would imagine the house on Minot was at some time. It is a very short period of time for non-professionals to have a plan and the means to move three bodies. Did the volunteer investigator (Dan James) first suggest the note was a code? I have never been quite sure about his role in the investigation. I had read his background was working with defendants. I do not know what to think other than info has been withheld. I have not ruled out the girls could have lived. It is possible although not likely.

I do not think that the house on Minot was ever investigated. LE fell for the disappearance from the mall hook, line, and sinker.

 

[jetsfanjohn]

Do you believe the homes were ever examined by law enforcement? I recall RA saying LE investigated his childhood home. I would imagine the house on Minot was at some time. It is a very short period of time for non-professionals to have a plan and the means to move three bodies. Did the volunteer investigator (Dan James) first suggest the note was a code? I have never been quite sure about his role in the investigation. I had read his background was working with defendants. I do not know what to think other than info has been withheld. I have not ruled out the girls could have lived. It is possible although not likely.

There was a poster on the thread previous to this one (Goldenlancehead, I think his username was) who suggested that the note was a code and the girl's disappearance was related to drugs. Someone accused the poster of being the PI Dan James and I don't think he posted again after that.

From what I can gather that particular PI's information is not reliable. I believe he was the PI who suggested that Rachel still visited the Fort Worth area each Christmas, up until the late 1990s. An idea that I would consider to be absurd.