TX TX - Julie Moseley, 9, Mary Trlica, 17, Lisa Wilson, 14, Fort Worth, 23 Dec 1974 #7

[Brightchaser47]

Renee's dad and his friend/neighbour drove to the mall to search pretty quick. Renee was very clear that she wants to be picked up from grandma's at 4:00 pm so they got worried right away. At 6:00 pm they (Renee's dad and his friend) found the Oldsmobile, got there sometime before and searched for quite a bit. He said somewhere that it was most secluded spot on those parkings and something to the accord that it was hard to spot and nobody wandering close to the mall would be able to notice what's going on around that car.

Short answer: they showed up closer to 5pm i think.

I'd understood the car was parked in "employee parking" area.

 

[T rex]

It did?

Those alleged sightings about girls possibly being abducted came in much later.

If all that crowd from A's family + TT & his ex kept casually telling contradicting tales right from the get go, unable to agree on anything about anybody's whereabouts on that day, investigators would have to be clinically unable to think and make any conclusion to not go and at least try to clear it up.

They just had to give LE something that made more sense than claim that none of the 4 left the house.
*- except for TT (who half-teleported himself to work and bowling, half got a lift from CA and DA)
**- except for DA who stayed home all day, doing nobody knows what till evening, and later focused on fiercely guarding the phone in case Rachel will call (leaving just maybe few times, to drive TT to bowling alley, and pick him up, and head to the Mall with him few hours later)
***- except for CA who was so sick that FA had to take care of him while giving him some ointment or maybe chemo (leaving just to drove TT to and back from work, but he actually didn't, oh and he also later went to the Mall and shapeshifted into Mr. Wilson and guarded the car till morning)
****- except for FA who had to stay home all day, but visited neighbour, was working in Arlington, while in the same time she kept calling Arlington from her phone at home, and later took her son with her to SS and went through every store in SS and asked for girls, doing that while also being at home and calling same stores and asking for girls)
And while they were doing that, about half of a dozen people were watching this 2yo Schrodinger's baby, who was and wasn't in multiple different places in the same time.

It had to get messed up and misreported later, right?
Cause if that's how they fooled investigators, then I have no words.

I'd understood the car was parked in "employee parking" area.

I thought I'd place this clipping here just for the record. FA's account of being in the parking lot that night.

In this same article, in the first paragraph, it refers to the parking lot as "Sears' employee parking lot".

Fort Worth Star-Telegram
Dec 24 1979
Page 9

 

[Pricklykitty]

Post in thread 'TX - Julie Moseley, 9, Mary Trlica, 17, Lisa Wilson, 14, Fort Worth, 23 Dec 1974 - #5' https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/tx-julie-moseley-9-mary-trlica-17-lisa-wilson-14-fort-worth-23-dec-1974-5.413245/post-15797077

Theres some interesting info here regarding timings. To be honest the timings of the car being found makes more sense in these reports than the earlier timing makes.

 

[Ozoner]

Post in thread 'TX - Julie Moseley, 9, Mary Trlica, 17, Lisa Wilson, 14, Fort Worth, 23 Dec 1974 - #5' https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/tx-julie-moseley-9-mary-trlica-17-lisa-wilson-14-fort-worth-23-dec-1974-5.413245/post-15797077

Theres some interesting info here regarding timings. To be honest the timings of the car being found makes more sense in these reports than the earlier timing makes.

That link is flawed; this one should work:

TX - TX - Julie Moseley, 9, Mary Trlica, 17, Lisa Wilson, 14, Fort Worth, 23 Dec 1974 - #5

Look how the story had changed in just five years.You have police admitting no one really seen them that they can confirm.

www.websleuths.com

 

[Pricklykitty]

That link is flawed; this one should work:

TX - TX - Julie Moseley, 9, Mary Trlica, 17, Lisa Wilson, 14, Fort Worth, 23 Dec 1974 - #5

Look how the story had changed in just five years.You have police admitting no one really seen them that they can confirm.

www.websleuths.com

Thankyou

 

[beubeubeu]

Last seen 12:30 pm wow.

 

[Brightchaser47]

I thought I'd place this clipping here just for the record. FA's account of being in the parking lot that night.

In this same article, in the first paragraph, it refers to the parking lot as "Sears' employee parking lot".

Fort Worth Star-Telegram
Dec 24 1979
Page 9

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I also remember reading on a previous post that no local (shopping) resident would've parked where that car was found.

 

[T rex]

I also remember reading on a previous post that no local (shopping) resident would've parked where that car was found.

That may be true, locals should know stuff like this.

There has been some discussion about the phrase "upper lot" and whether or not that's how most people would put it. It occured to me that if an employee of Sears, or any other mall employee for that matter, were to have wrote the letter or dictated what was put in the letter that they definitely wouldn't want the word employee any where in it. The problem is I don't see any way of building a theory around it and I don't see a way to fit it in with any of the other theories that make sense to me.

 

[Ozoner]

I also remember reading on a previous post that no local (shopping) resident would've parked where that car was found.

Could you provide a map showing a likely walking route from the Sears upper lot back to the house on Minot? I'm wondering whether that lot would have been a convenient choice for someone who wanted to walk to that destination.

 

[Brightchaser47]

That may be true, locals should know stuff like this.

There has been some discussion about the phrase "upper lot" and whether or not that's how most people would put it. It occured to me that if an employee of Sears, or any other mall employee for that matter, were to have wrote the letter or dictated what was put in the letter that they definitely wouldn't want the word employee any where in it. The problem is I don't see any way of building a theory around it and I don't see a way to fit it in with any of the other theories that make sense to me.

This is one of the many times I wish we knew who's been ruled out as a POI/suspect...

 

[FW_Froggy]

Could you provide a map showing a likely walking route from the Sears upper lot back to the house on Minot? I'm wondering whether that lot would have been a convenient choice for someone who wanted to walk to that destination.

I googled it.........4.9 mi. via Hemphill St. and Edgecliff Rd............ 6.4 mi. via I-20.......Shorter distance than I thought.

 

[Ozoner]

I googled it.........4.9 mi. via Hemphill St. and Edgecliff Rd............ 6.4 mi. via I-20.......Shorter distance than I thought.

What I am wondering whether parking in the Sears upper lot (versus the other lots at the mall) would have shortened the walk from the mall to the house on Minot. Someone walking back to Minot might would have been looking at a very long walk and might have tried to save some steps.

 

[FW_Froggy]

What I am wondering whether parking in the Sears upper lot (versus the other lots at the mall) would have shortened the walk from the mall to the house on Minot. Someone walking back to Minot might would have been looking at a very long walk and might have tried to save some steps.

No....It would a made the walk longer......Parking on the other side of the Mall would a made the walk shorter. I don't think the parking space was a big deal after all it was the 23rd and the Mall was FULL with Christmas Shoppers. Employee parking just means park further away so the customers can get the close up spaces. I can remember my Dad driving around that Mall for 30minutes waiting for someone to leave to get a closer parking space. The Mall was very popular at that time.

 

[Ozoner]

No....It would a made the walk longer......Parking on the other side of the Mall would a made the walk shorter. I don't think the parking space was a big deal after all it was the 23rd and the Mall was FULL with Christmas Shoppers. Employee parking just means park further away so the customers can get the close up spaces. I can remember my Dad driving around that Mall for 30minutes waiting for someone to leave to get a closer parking space. The Mall was very popular at that time.

To me a parking space farther from the mall makes it less likely that the perp walked from the mall to the Minot house. If someone from the Minot house staged the car, a ride home with an accomplice seems more likely.

Didn't you say that your dad was an educator? Did he ever hear any buzz from his students? Sometimes teens see and hear things but are afraid to come forward.

 

[Brightchaser47]

No....It would a made the walk longer......Parking on the other side of the Mall would a made the walk shorter. I don't think the parking space was a big deal after all it was the 23rd and the Mall was FULL with Christmas Shoppers. Employee parking just means park further away so the customers can get the close up spaces. I can remember my Dad driving around that Mall for 30minutes waiting for someone to leave to get a closer parking space. The Mall was very popular at that time.

So, in your opinion, there's nothing special or strategic about where the car was parked?

 

[FW_Froggy]

To me a parking space farther from the mall makes it less likely that the perp walked from the mall to the Minot house. If someone from the Minot house staged the car, a ride home with an accomplice seems more likely.

Didn't you say that your dad was an educator? Did he ever hear any buzz from his students? Sometimes teens see and hear things but are afraid to come forward.

No my Father wasn't an educator. I think your thinking of FW_Cat.

 

[FW_Froggy]

So, in your opinion, there's nothing special or strategic about where the car was parked?

Nope. To me I just think it was the only spot open at the time.

 

[beubeubeu]

What I am wondering whether parking in the Sears upper lot (versus the other lots at the mall) would have shortened the walk from the mall to the house on Minot. Someone walking back to Minot might would have been looking at a very long walk and might have tried to save some steps.

No public transport (like city buses) in Fort Worth then?

 

[Ozoner]

No my Father wasn't an educator. I think your thinking of FW_Cat.

OK! For some reason I thought you and FW_Cat were the same person; I thought you had just changed your handle.

 

[Valiant]

There are reasons the car was parked where it was, some innocent, some not. No idea which, if any, are true.
* some people park far away to reduce the chance of door dings
* someone not comfortable parking such a large car might park far away where there might be more maneuvering room
* young people would not be as bothered by the walking distance
* it was the busiest time of the year and the only open spots might be there
* it would be an easier spot to drop a car, unnoticed by the crowds