Found Deceased TX - Kaytlynn Cargill, 14, Bedford, 19 June 2017 #2

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  • #721
Also didn't one of the friends say she tied the dog to the fence she would be right back. But I find it odd he had taken such notice of her. Jmo
I mentioned this before. The only thing that struck me about it was that there isn't any mention of any other kids other than Kaytlynn tying the dog up but Kaytlynn's mother was told by one kid that other kids were asked by kaytlynn to keep an eye on the dog. I can't find anyone else saying that other kids were there other than third-hand. LE has said they had "conflicting" information from kids they apparently spoke with. But there are a number of ways the information could be "conflicting" so it isn't clear what the situation was - and LE has made no effort to clear that up either.

I also mentioned before that I was bothered by the fact that at no time prior to Kaytlynn being found in the landfill that anyone (even third-hand) mentioned which direction Kaytlynn went. This goes for the police as well with their release on the day following Kaytlynn's disappearance. No indication of which direction she went after tying up the dog. She didn't simply vanish while standing in place. And I think it would have been useful in generating tips and leads if it were known she ... "headed toward building 123" or "toward the swimming pool" or "toward XYZ Avenue" - anything other than it appearing as if she had asked other kids to watch the dog, tied it up, and *poof* into thin air. I am strongly bothered by this. I can't imagine someone didn't offer which way she went. Even when we get to the press conference and LE went through the time line we get no hint of which direction she went. So when we apparently have the situation where there are multiple witnesses to the dog being tied up and the dog being found tied up that squares that specificity nicely but no sense of which direction she went away from the dog park I am bothered (strongly).
 
  • #722
I think someone mentioned in a earlier thread that there may have been some carpet remnants next to KC in the landfill. Although this has not been confirmed by LE I did notice in a video titled "Missing Bedford teen's body found in landfill-you tube". At around 1:06 there is a shot of the blue dumpsters and to the right of it some type of trash that looks like carpet that may have been torn out for an apartment. Were there renovations going on lately? Just really stuck out to me. Wished i knew how to link the video
here ..but I'm still new and getting the hang of things.

Way back in the very first thread, I "think" I remember something about new carpet being laid in a couple of apartments. You might want to go back to thread #1 & take a look. JMO
 
  • #723
Not related, but they've already released the COD for the girl from Lancaster...so I think if it wasn't drug related they would already know KC's COD; thus the wait for tox. JMO-not victim shaming just looking at what they're not saying.


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  • #724
Way back in the very first thread, I "think" I remember something about new carpet being laid in a couple of apartments. You might want to go back to thread #1 & take a look. JMO
Now that you mention that, I too recall someone talking about some work being done. I wish I could recall the day to help narrow the post # range.
 
  • #725
Post #759 from first thread by teamjustice

Here's a snippet of the post

There were 2 units being worked on.. changing carpet out directly in front of the dog park. Heard they were there for about 2 weeks... The truck the men were driving was parked where she would have crossed to go home or to the park, as some has said she said she was going there when she left her dog.

eta was meant in reply to Jethro - also don't know how to link to a post so if someone else can that would be great.
 
  • #726
I mentioned this before. The only thing that struck me about it was that there isn't any mention of any other kids other than Kaytlynn tying the dog up but Kaytlynn's mother was told by one kid that other kids were asked by kaytlynn to keep an eye on the dog. I can't find anyone else saying that other kids were there other than third-hand. LE has said they had "conflicting" information from kids they apparently spoke with. But there are a number of ways the information could be "conflicting" so it isn't clear what the situation was - and LE has made no effort to clear that up either.

I also mentioned before that I was bothered by the fact that at no time prior to Kaytlynn being found in the landfill that anyone (even third-hand) mentioned which direction Kaytlynn went. This goes for the police as well with their release on the day following Kaytlynn's disappearance. No indication of which direction she went after tying up the dog. She didn't simply vanish while standing in place. And I think it would have been useful in generating tips and leads if it were known she ... "headed toward building 123" or "toward the swimming pool" or "toward XYZ Avenue" - anything other than it appearing as if she had asked other kids to watch the dog, tied it up, and *poof* into thin air. I am strongly bothered by this. I can't imagine someone didn't offer which way she went. Even when we get to the press conference and LE went through the time line we get no hint of which direction she went. So when we apparently have the situation where there are multiple witnesses to the dog being tied up and the dog being found tied up that squares that specificity nicely but no sense of which direction she went away from the dog park I am bothered (strongly).

I agree. I think she must have said something to the kids like. Hey i forgot my phone watch the dog ill be right back... or i have to run over to so n sos for a sec
Watch my dog. Some kind of explanation..... dont ya think.
 
  • #727
Way back in the very first thread, I "think" I remember something about new carpet being laid in a couple of apartments. You might want to go back to thread #1 & take a look. JMO

Yes i think they were renovating apts.
 
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Not related, but they've already released the COD for the girl from Lancaster...so I think if it wasn't drug related they would already know KC's COD; thus the wait for tox. JMO-not victim shaming just looking at what they're not saying.


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They also already have people in custody in Shavon's case. IMO that's the difference between the two cases. I have strong feelings they know COD otherwise why take down her case on the ME site? It could just be left pending until toxicology and then take it down when they get that back. Again, MOO.


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  • #731
Yeah, but where they gonna hide the body before then.. without anyone seeing?


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There was a case where a nine year old (i believe?) killed his young neighbor and hid her under his mattress. After the child had been missing for several days the young killer's mom found her body in his room. Imagine that horror.

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  • #732
Also didn't one of the friends say she tied the dog to the fence she would be right back. But I find it odd he had taken such notice of her. Jmo
Why would that be odd for him to remember that? Within probably less than an hour a parent shows up looking for their child that matches the person he just saw at the small dog park. Then later reporters asked him about it, and no doubt police. Seems pretty memorable.

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Rsbm

I wonder if they had a hard time determining COD because she was in the TX heat for -probably (assuming dumpster was picked up on Tuesday AM)- 24 hours or so, likely had damage to her body from the trash truck... those trucks have compactors that smush the garbage down *shudder*... plus they had to process a scene in a garbage pile - I imagine that's a huge task! BPD has been super careful in their wording by stating no signs of trauma that we can report. IMO - That doesn't mean there was no sign of trauma, rather nothing that could be determined on appearance at the dump site...

When you see qualifying and limiting verbiage added to statements, that's a tell. It always means there's more to the story and LE is not going to disclose what they know or have uncovered in their investigation until later (if ever).

Examples I've seen LE use before:

... "that we can report"
... "at this time"
... "that we've determined to this point..."
... "we have not named any POI or suspect..."
..."so far we have no indication that..."
 
  • #735
Sorry for three posts in a row. I've been away for a while. Been thinking about poor little Kaytlynn.

I'm going to float a few theories. I'd love to know what y'all think. (hi Jethro)

If we take BPD at their word that toxicology will be required for COD, perhaps KC took a cold drink from someone who roofied her. She's so tiny. Maybe she overdosed.

I'm sure all of us could come up with a list of likely offenders if this is COD. Friends, neighbors, workers in the area.

If KC made friends with the crew doing work in the complex, maybe she ran over from the dog park to see newly installed carpet?BPD has got to be investigating that crew. I'd like to be a fly on the wall.

Maybe its possible someone close to Kaytlynn did this. But it's not a scenario I'd really like to consider.




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  • #736
Bouncing off Jethro's post, is there some reason not to believe what the witness said? I've read the comment a few times here.

I do not recall the witness stating he SAW Kaytlynn tying the dog up, just that she had tied the dog up "right over there". That's a distinct difference. One could be based on assumption, logical inference or hearsay, and the other on what the witness actually saw.

Not related, but they've already released the COD for the girl from Lancaster...so I think if it wasn't drug related they would already know KC's COD; thus the wait for tox. JMO-not victim shaming just looking at what they're not saying.

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Why would they release cause of death to the public in this case? Just because it hasn't been released doesn't mean they don't know.

But even if they don't, that doesn't at all mean it has to be drug related. Sometimes COD is quickly apparent and determinable. Other times it is not because of decomp. or destruction of the body. Or because it was the kind of death that doesn't leave a lot of obvious signs, like smothering.

I'm not feeling the drug overdose theory. There is zero hint that anything like that was going on in this little girl's life. She looked healthy and strong, well-groomed and well-cared for in photos, and was an avid athlete with parents heavily involved in her sports, as can also be seen by photos shown in her tribute video. None of that is indicative of drug abuse or neglect due to drug abuse or anything like that.

Can normal, good kids suddenly become involved in drugs for some reason? Yeah. It happens. But there is zero to support that theory here.

So without a lot of evidence, I look to the more common causes of sudden death and appearance in a landfill - sex predator that she likely knew or encountered in her area or online. That's my first guess. Second would be some sort of killing by kids in the area. Non-accidental.

Of course the most common cause of such deaths when the body is disposed of, might be closer to home in many cases, but not much supports that here - No statements regarding cooperation or non-cooperation by the family, no reports yet of search warrants related to the family, nothing from the paternal side indicating there might have been a problem at her home, no CPS reports we've been made aware of, no suspicious behavior on part of relatives, and we have clear evidence that this kid left her home and was seen out and about, about an hour before she was reported missing, with her dog left behind, and no evidence she went back to her house. At least thus far.

So I don't see anything remotely close to anything that would suggest a drug overdose and nothing indicating something stemming from her family life.

But I have a hunch this case will be resolved so if I'm right, we shall find out what happened to this darling kid.
 
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So without a lot of evidence, I look to the more common causes of sudden death and appearance in a landfill - sex predator that she likely knew or encountered in her area or online. That's my first guess. Second would be some sort of killing by kids in the area. Non-accidental. ..... So I don't see anything remotely close to anything that would suggest a drug overdose and nothing indicating something stemming from her family life.

I agree! Occam's Razor usually proves itself.
 
  • #738
So, we've got many possible crime scene areas: the abduction point, the vehicle/mechanism by which she was possibly transported, the location to where she was taken and possibly assaulted/murdered, plus an additional storage location if there is one, plus the disposal site (dumpster, etc), and the final place where she ended up (landfill). That would be 6 crime scenes if all are applicable here. I've seen in 2 CO cases where LE returns to the landfill several times. One time they made the perp go with them and dig through the trash, iirc.

In SA cases, for example Hailey Owens, Craig Wood abducted her from the street, took her to his home, assaulted and killed her in the basement, then put her in a storage container for 24 hours iirc? (My details might be off). ARS also didn't dispose of Jessica til the next day, iirc. Third example (argh just forgot it). Anyway, sometimes there is not always an immediate disposal after the murder, as they are kept at the perp's residence or stored somewhere before disposal, sometimes overnight (I need to review the timeline again, how much time elapsed by the time she was found at the landfill.)
 
  • #739
Sorry for three posts in a row. I've been away for a while. Been thinking about poor little Kaytlynn.

I'm going to float a few theories. I'd love to know what y'all think. (hi Jethro)

If we take BPD at their word that toxicology will be required for COD, perhaps KC took a cold drink from someone who roofied her. She's so tiny. Maybe she overdosed.

I'm sure all of us could come up with a list of likely offenders if this is COD. Friends, neighbors, workers in the area.

If KC made friends with the crew doing work in the complex, maybe she ran over from the dog park to see newly installed carpet?BPD has got to be investigating that crew. I'd like to be a fly on the wall.

Maybe its possible someone close to Kaytlynn did this. But it's not a scenario I'd really like to consider.




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Well in terms of COD and MOD I agree with MIKAYOYO a few posts back. I believe the report was pulled by police because both of those are known. Otherwise they could have left the report with those things pending including the toxicology results. LE can keep that from disclosure indefinitely now.

What I have been surprised by in all of this is that Bedford PD has said that they have not issued any search warrants. But I can't imagine that they haven't gone for any phone records or obtained Kaytlynn's phone - if she had one, as I am not clear on whether she had one or not.

With so little information to go on it gets difficult to dance a TOS jig. However, what I will say is that if LE thought this was the actions of a stranger I would expect that LE would have offered some information in order to generate tips and leads. If LE truly does not have anything to go on at all then I don't know how they could treat this as if no one else is in potential danger from the person responsible for Kaytlynn's death. Everything about this case, to me, says that Kaytlynn knew her killer and I don't believe this to be anything but homicide.

While LE can be frustrating in not releasing information to protect their investigation my main concern when LE won't even release some of the most basic of information (that won't jeopardize the integrity of the case) is that LE does not have much to work with and they spend time bluffing they have more. I hope, for Kaytlynn's sake, that this is not the case. Because if it is the case and this is stranger involvement this may never be solved.

Since I haven't seen Bedford PD doing much talking, let alone talking up "how much evidence they have" or bluffing my sense is that LE knows who did this.
 
  • #740
Throwing a little girl away like she's trash...makes me sick and no family member should ever have to go through something like this, let alone the victim.

Please let there be an arrest in this case soon.

Who killed Kaytlynn Cargill??

I would think that if another child was involved, that evidence might have presented itself by now or someone would have broken down and come clean (maybe)...I think a pedophile predator is still a strong option, imo.

Can we put together a list of attempted abductions and unsolved female homicides in the area (let's say 60 mile radius to start, including children and adults) over the past couple of years? (And that's IF the nutjob is even local, assuming a predator.) Chances are high though imo that the perp lives really close, had seen her before, or seized upon a crime of opportunity, moo. If SA, I have no idea if by a younger or older male.
 
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