TX - 'Lori Ruff', Longview, WhtFem UP9863, *General Discussion and Theories* #2

[sloane7777]

Has anyone checked Topix for Longview??? Willing to start a thread there & see what develops?

If I'm not supposed to mention that, sorry, but I check the local Topix now & then....

Heck, have we even touched base with the Texas Business Women group?

ETA: Okay, I looked, there is nothing on Topix right now, it sure would be interesting to see if other locals will post anything useful.

NO GREAT IDEA!!!!!! do it !
as for the Womens group , I would not be surprised if there were a few in there who dont even know the story, the longview police werent really that involved , right?

 

[sloane7777]

....And Laughing I have slowly come to understand that ALOT of people are aware "missing" is an issue untill it happens to them , I think us here on WS are among the few in this big world , who even notice

 

[MysticJynx]

If they think an Identity Broker had help in getting her a new identity and The ID broker suggested the Becky Sue Turner identity, is it possible that the sisters Kay Frances and Anne Marie Turner's identities may also have be stolen and later changed like Lori? If so could that provide clues into Lori, or the possible broker? Anyone else get Id's that day in Idaho around the same time Becky/Lori got hers? If Lori had known about Becky's death wouldnt she have known about the others. Or if she had been walking through the cemetery she would have come across a headstone for all three on one. Why take Becky's name and not one of the other two girls?

Also it was stated that Blakes family wanted to do an engagement announcement in the paper with their pictures. Lori said it was not her style and the couple eloped. I would assume that they are referring to a local paper, which makes me wonder if Lori had always been from Texas. Thus not wanting her real family in the area to see her pic in the paper. It doesn't seem she was afraid of having her picture taken, but having it published bothered her.

Will they ever release the two letters she left behind for Blake and her daughter? Maybe the ramblings would give some clue as to who she really is or why she changed her identity? Or will those be under wraps till the child is 18?

Also she supposedly told Blake that she was an only child and her parents had died. Could this information have been true. Maybe she grew up as an orphan and just felt shame in that, and she changed her identity. Marilyn Monroe did it to become an actress, Is it possible Lori did too to become "model"?

There was also an 8yr old from Tacoma WA that went missing in 1961. It is said that she may have been Ted Bundy's first victim, as he knew her and lived in the same area, He was 14 or 15 at the time. (Bundy never admitted any involvement in Ann's case as he did with other victims). So maybe this little girl was kidnapped by another that kept her captive for years, like in the Jaycee Dugard case. Many years later her captive gets caught doing something Illegal and is sentenced to 402 Months, 33.5 years, And she took the opportunity to escape her captive. Being held against her will for so long and the brainwashing that happens between slave and master, gave her fear or shame of going home. So she became someone else? Just a theory. That little girl I am referring to is Ann Marie Burr missing since Aug 31 1961 Tacoma WA. The not wanting her mother in law and Blakes family to hold her baby makes me think she was afraid something would happen to her baby. Possibly because of past experience?

Namus only has 4 ruled out, are there more ruled out that are not listed on namus? Ann Marie Burr was not one of them.
1961 born about 1953.

 

[MysticJynx]

Wonders if Jane Doe/Lori Ruff had a personal computer. I believe I read that she did work from home with a PC. If she did, was that ever seized and searched? I can't help but think that maybe during the last few months of her depressed life, she may have looked up her own missing persons page. Maybe a name from her past or any clue that could have been found on her PC itself.

 

[sloane7777]

Wonders if Jane Doe/Lori Ruff had a personal computer. I believe I read that she did work from home with a PC. If she did, was that ever seized and searched? I can't help but think that maybe during the last few months of her depressed life, she may have looked up her own missing persons page. Maybe a name from her past or any clue that could have been found on her PC itself.

OMG you are probably right , and no reason to seize a computer , she killed herself !

 

[MysticJynx]

OMG you are probably right , and no reason to seize a computer , she killed herself !

Think someone still has it? 3.5 years later? Maybe whoever is looking into her identity theft should see if they can get that if they have not already.

 

[Laughing]

A missing dark-haired girl. Scroll down to the age progression, please:

IL IL - Helen Marie Green, 12-13, Chicago, missing since 1971 or 1972 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

 

[Alex01]

Why take Becky's name and not one of the other two girls?

When I was in college, about the same time FLEK got her Idaho ID, there were several books circulating on campus about how to disappear. Apparently, when grave tripping it was suggested that one pick a name with a birth date close to your own. If FLEK was working from such a book and following it to the letter, that may be why she chose BST.

On the other hand, according to the Seattle Times article, one of her physicians seemed to think that her attempts at pregnancy may have been complicated by being older than she claimed. I would assume that the physician may have better grasp on her age than a layperson.

Then again, if she was born in the early 1950's wouldn't that put her in her 50's trying to conceive? (Math is not my strong point.) Not impossible, but definitely on the edge. My wife is not yet 50 and she's already gone through menopause.

I'm just having a hard time accepting the idea that she was much older than BST. She appears to have done every other part of her identity change "by the book." Why not assume she picked BST by the book as well? This could be the case even if she used an identity broker.

Speaking of identity broker, perhaps that's why no one "recognizes" her. Back in the day there was apparently a national network set up to free abused spouses/children from harmful homes. Shedding light on an identity broker, and subsequently a network, could expose other clients to danger.

I wonder how such networks are viewed by law enforcement, if they still exist. (I recall reading an account of a woman accused of leading such a ring circa 1992.)

 

[MysticJynx]

When I was in college, about the same time FLEK got her Idaho ID, there were several books circulating on campus about how to disappear. Apparently, when grave tripping it was suggested that one pick a name with a birth date close to your own. If FLEK was working from such a book and following it to the letter, that may be why she chose BST.

On the other hand, according to the Seattle Times article, one of her physicians seemed to think that her attempts at pregnancy may have been complicated by being older than she claimed. I would assume that the physician may have better grasp on her age than a layperson.

Then again, if she was born in the early 1950's wouldn't that put her in her 50's trying to conceive? (Math is not my strong point.) Not impossible, but definitely on the edge. My wife is not yet 50 and she's already gone through menopause.

I'm just having a hard time accepting the idea that she was much older than BST. She appears to have done every other part of her identity change "by the book." Why not assume she picked BST by the book as well? This could be the case even if she used an identity broker.

Speaking of identity broker, perhaps that's why no one "recognizes" her. Back in the day there was apparently a national network set up to free abused spouses/children from harmful homes. Shedding light on an identity broker, and subsequently a network, could expose other clients to danger.

I wonder how such networks are viewed by law enforcement, if they still exist. (I recall reading an account of a woman accused of leading such a ring circa 1992.)

Still dont understand if she had gone walking through a cemetery to find a name why she wouldn't have picked one of the other names.

http://findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pv&GRid=113577602&PIpi=84707771

All three names were on the headstone, and Kay Frances was only one year older than Becky. Being as she may have been older than she claimed why not pick the eldest sisters name. It may be good to pick a name close to your age, But what woman doesn't wish she was younger at some point in her life. Especially coming upon the age of 30, When women become forever 29. Maybe the name Becky Sue had meaning to her. If she had been a few years older than she claimed why not pick Ann Marie's name she was born in 1963. Which seems closer to her actual birth year in my opinion than the 1969 given.

Just rambling off thoughts.

 

[fred&edna]

A missing dark-haired girl. Scroll down to the age progression, please:

IL IL - Helen Marie Green, 12-13, Chicago, missing since 1971 or 1972 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

I haven't taken the time to try to see if the additional info works, but the age progression looks quite a bit like FLEK, imo. Thanks for sharing!

 

[dogperson]

If I were going to pick a new identity, and I had the choice, I would enjoy making myself anywhere from 1-5 years younger. I'm not sure if you would do that if you were in your late teens/early twenties, but since I'm in my 40s I wouldn't mind claiming a younger age. Maybe she thought it would further obscure her true identity to pick a different birth year. I don't think she looks too much older than the age she claimed to be, though. No more than 5 years at most. Trying to conceive in your late 30s to early 40s is difficult for many women.

 

[MysticJynx]

Speaking of identity broker, perhaps that's why no one "recognizes" her. Back in the day there was apparently a national network set up to free abused spouses/children from harmful homes. Shedding light on an identity broker, and subsequently a network, could expose other clients to danger.

I wonder how such networks are viewed by law enforcement, if they still exist. (I recall reading an account of a woman accused of leading such a ring circa 1992.)

In my opinion if the Identity Broker is stealing other peoples identities to help abused spouses and children. as sad as it it for the clients, the identity broker should be prosecuted. They are STEALING IDENTITIES, and how do we know that all the clients they actually helped were battered women and children. They may just of helped the wrong person or people. Someone who wasn't a victim. For all we know Lori/Jane Doe may be a Criminal that claimed abuse? Exposing the Identity broker may put some back in danger, But if they were truly in that much danger I'm sure now in the year 2014 law enforcement may help the other victims in hiding stay in hiding. And we don't know what proof a broker needed to help one hide. Identity broker may be helping criminals get away with new identities. EITHER WAY STEALING SOMEONE ELSE'S IDENTITY IS AGAINST THE LAW! Broker or not.

 

[Alex01]

...STEALING SOMEONE ELSE'S IDENTITY IS AGAINST THE LAW! Broker or not.

I've often wondered if this isn't what it's all about: Finding others who've broken the law. FLEK's dead. While her story is fascinating, it doesn't appear to be of much use to law enforcement with the possible exception of mapping out networks and finding other perpetrators who are still alive. That would seem to be of interest to the Social Security Administration.

I agree with you totally MysticJynx. Illegal is illegal. It's way too easy to forget that we are dealing with a criminal here.

 

[sloane7777]

I've often wondered if this isn't what it's all about: Finding others who've broken the law. FLEK's dead. While her story is fascinating, it doesn't appear to be of much use to law enforcement with the possible exception of mapping out networks and finding other perpetrators who are still alive. That would seem to be of interest to the Social Security Administration.

I agree with you totally MysticJynx. Illegal is illegal. It's way too easy to forget that we are dealing with a criminal here.

It is easy to forget, but she wasnt stealing identity for financial gain , she was running from something and LE probably does not consider it a "case" but I for one really want to know who she was and if it does solve a MP case , well yay!

 

[annemc2]

I don't see the resemblance. I really think the answer lies much closer to home after seeing those photos of BST's father.

I wonder if the poster who brought those photos to our attention is still around? Helllooooo!?!?! You out there? (sorry - forgot the name!)

 

[sloane7777]

Also you said you noticed Helen was 10 years older than Lori , well remember we and the Ruffs thought she was older than she said because she had trouble conceiving? Also for the record I have had someonemissing who remained unidentified for 10 years after they were found and ddo a would have solved it immediately

 

[sloane7777]

I don't see the resemblance. I really think the answer lies much closer to home after seeing those photos of BST's father.

I wonder if the poster who brought those photos to our attention is still around? Helllooooo!?!?! You out there? (sorry - forgot the name!)

What if she had nose surgery ? Do you see a resemblance maybe then , remember how different Jennifer Grey looked after she had her nose fixed? What do you think?

 

[annemc2]

What if she had nose surgery ? Do you see a resemblance maybe then , remember how different Jennifer Grey looked after she had her nose fixed? What do you think?

You're right - it totally changed her entire look! Helen's lips look so much fuller but then again, it is an age progression, so....

Can someone do a side-by-side? I still haven't figured out how!

 

[giagreen]

I think Helen is a good match for Lori Ruff. Not only does she look like a match but her behavior would fit. They behavior in a way even resembles the way Helen's brothers worries.

My worry is if things were that bad that Helen's brother is hesitant to try and match Lori with Helen is maybe Lori's draught would be in danger or something.

 

[mjak]

I must say when I saw the picture of Helen Green and compared it to the early drivers licisne picture of Lori Ruff I thought there was a good resembalance. The eyes and checkbones stood out to me. As much as I want to know the answer to who was Lori Ruff, I know that we must respect the wishes of Helen's family. As to their reasons it really is not relevant. Ultimately, this is their love one, and their search; and, they need to be alowed to conduct it within their own comfort zone. I believe all the support, help and prayer we offer the families of the missing must always come with respect, even if we don't agree or understand they actions of the love ones. I do hope that if they choose to not publicly compare Helen to Lori Ruff they get intouch with Mr. Velling and or the Ruff family and alow this potential match to be compared privatly so that a young child might know who her mother was, a grieving husband gets the answers he is looking for and although they might not realize it, so they get the chance to bring Helen home if she is indeed Lori. While curiosity makes me so want the answers, my curiosity need never be filled, as it has no place in the tragedies that have befallen on two families. May they find the answers they need someday.

mjak