Found Deceased TX - Michael Chambers, 70, Hunt County, 10 March 2017 #2

[darring21]

She wouldn't have had to do anything. According to the "family," HCSO's stance is this is a "missing person" case, not a "death investigation," "homicide investigation," or a "suicide."

If Mrs. Chambers knows otherwise, she hasn't said.

Our VI also said a DROP distribution election form -the document at the link, I believe- had not been mailed in by the deadline, and that Mrs. Chambers feared payments would go from month-to-month to every six months, but as posted earlier, we found out that for the payments to go semi-annual, The Chambers would have had to return the form by Feb. 28th - 10 days before Mr. Chambers went missing.

So their monthly regular pension payments would have continued just as in the past if she hadn't done anything.

Though unlikely, IMO, if Mr. and Mrs. Chambers were having paper checks mailed, rather than having pension payments direct-deposited, then Mrs. Chambers could have filed "a sworn petition stating the facts that make it desirable for the petitioning spouse to manage, control, and dispose of community property described or defined in the petition ..." under the Texas Family Code. This action might have enabled her to complete any DROP-related paperwork needed to keep those payments going as well. I'm just not sure about their DROP situation since what our VI apparently has been told does not jibe with published information.

https://www.dpfp.org/images/PDFs/Forms/Rollover-with-waiver-and-notice.pdf

His distributions don't start until he turns 70 1/2 - in May

 

[SavetheQueen]

Me too & firefighters are employed by the city in which they work not the state, or is city/town, county, and state all considered government positions?
Idk but a QDRO seems more like it could more for say a common-law marriage or for what is stands for domestic relationships, meaning same-sex? Idk totally confused about what it is & what it could be used for/as in Texas.


Just my random thoughts & opinions...

I can see Texas Department of Public Safety employees (my family) falling under it because they're state employees. But I don't see any other first responders being affected by it. We've never heard of it.


*All statements are that of my own opinion unless otherwise specified.*

 

[roadrunnermt]

WHAT ARE THEY??? You've said that before and you're only cite was she could have gotten a power of attorney - which she couldn't. So, WHAT COULD SHE HAVE DONE TO KEEP THE PENSION PAYMENTS MONTHLY?

She should have left the pension in the state it was at Papa's disappearance. Noone changes things in this manner this soon. It's almost unheard of and I've followed a lot of cases. In fact, most people are in denial that foul play was involved and prefer to keep the hope alive that their loved one is still alive. If she had pressing bills, she could have gotten loans, support from church, family, etc.

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[darring21]

She should have left the pension in the state it was at Papa's disappearance. Noone changes things in this manner this soon. It's almost unheard of and I've followed a lot of cases. In fact, most people are in denial that foul play was involved and prefer to keep the hope alive that their loved one is still alive. If she had pressing bills, she could have gotten loans, support from church, family, etc.

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My father is a retired firefighter and is particular about how he likes things. If he disappeared for more than 1 week, we would know he's dead. What does it matter if the death certificate is issued in 5 years or 5 days? I would encourage my Mom to declare early if that was in her best financial interest.

 

[annadigregorio]

There may have been clues that show he left and to have their back he left a note so they could declare him deceased Maybe these searches are all a cry out to him to come home Bc might see it for what it is takes action so she can move on

 

[LaneGirl]

She should have left the pension in the state it was at Papa's disappearance. Noone changes things in this manner this soon. It's almost unheard of and I've followed a lot of cases. In fact, most people are in denial that foul play was involved and prefer to keep the hope alive that their loved one is still alive. If she had pressing bills, she could have gotten loans, support from church, family, etc.

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I will respectfully disagree. IF my husband mysteriously disappeared and I felt a crime occurred (which this family does) after 1 week or so I'd assume the worst. One because after all who's going to hold him captive alive? And without reaching out? Who holds a 70ish something man captive?

If it were my child/grandchild missing that is different. People do hold captive children/young men/women for nefarious reasons.

I will also respectfully state I'm still 50/50 on walking out on his own vs a crime.

 

[LaneGirl]

My father is a retired firefighter and is particular about how he likes things. If he disappeared for more than 1 week, we would know he's dead. What does it matter if the death certificate is issued in 5 years or 5 days? I would encourage my Mom to declare early if that was in her best financial interest.

Totally agree and I'm sure your father would agree. My husband and I have discussed this very case (opens nice dialog for the case of either of us missing) and he totally gets it, including me selling or giving away his prized musical equipment with the exception of one guitar which my son has already laid claim to.

 

[QueenBea13]

There may have been clues that show he left and to have their back he left a note so they could declare him deceased Maybe these searches are all a cry out to him to come home Bc might see it for what it is takes action so she can move on

All these searches? There has only been a handful, if that. And no searches, that were publicly announced, have been done since Tim Miller & his team went out to search back in May I believe.


Just my random thoughts & opinions...

 

[annadigregorio]

The page they have Posters being put up billboards what searches they can get may be a cry out to him to come home

 

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[roadrunnermt]

I will respectfully disagree. IF my husband mysteriously disappeared and I felt a crime occurred (which this family does) after 1 week or so I'd assume the worst. One because after all who's going to hold him captive alive? And without reaching out? Who holds a 70ish something man captive?

If it were my child/grandchild missing that is different. People do hold captive children/young men/women for nefarious reasons.

I will also respectfully state I'm still 50/50 on walking out on his own vs a crime.

Your last sentence is a key point. You stated you are still 50/50 on crime versus walk away. HCSO apparently do not believe a crime has been committed either because they will not change case status to criminal. That alone should be reason enough no judge or sheriff *should* have been able to sign off on the death certificate due to lack of evidence of a crime.

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[Yvettea]

Your last sentence is a key point. You stated you are still 50/50 on crime versus walk away. HCSO apparently do not believe a crime has been committed either because they will not change case status to criminal. That alone should be reason enough no judge or sheriff *should* have been able to sign off on the death certificate due to lack of evidence of a crime.

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No evidence of a crime is needed, just evidence of a death.

 

[Txteacher1]

No evidence of a crime is needed, just evidence of a death.

But there is no evidence of a death!

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[LaneGirl]

Your last sentence is a key point. You stated you are still 50/50 on crime versus walk away. HCSO apparently do not believe a crime has been committed either because they will not change case status to criminal. That alone should be reason enough no judge or sheriff *should* have been able to sign off on the death certificate due to lack of evidence of a crime.

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Agree, however perhaps I didn't make my point....

The family believes 100% a crime was committed (at least the VI and those on FB). I've stated my personal believe that IF I BELIEVED a crime had been committed I'd act very similar to MC's wife and process paperwork to declare my husband deceased.

BUT as an outsider my thoughts are it's 50/50. What I believe and what the family MAY believe are two different things.

Does that make more sense?

 

[roadrunnermt]

No evidence of a crime is needed, just evidence of a death.

And where was evidence of death? Nowhere. There isn't evidence of death nor a crime.

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[Yvettea]

But there is no evidence of a death!

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There is something. Enough to convince a judge. We might not agree but we don't know what the proof is.

 

[Nosy88]

No evidence of a crime is needed, just evidence of a death.

What evidence of a death was there?

 

[Nosy88]

There is something. Enough to convince a judge. We might not agree but we don't know what the proof is.

If there is proof, shouldn't they let the family know? I'm pretty sure they are aware of the BPH home page, the television interviews, and the daughters continually trying to get answers from them. Why won't they just say what it is that he died of natural causes from? If they felt it was of natural causes, his body shouldn't be too far. If it was not natural causes, it was CRIMINAL and instead of signing off on Letters of Testimentary and calling it a day, he needs to bring the FBI in.

 

[roadrunnermt]

There is something. Enough to convince a judge. We might not agree but we don't know what the proof is.

Respectfully, I disagree. Sometimes small town friendship and networks can and do accomplish the impossible. As you stated none of us truly know tho so it's all a matter of my opinion versus your opinion.

I choose to follow the professionals and the investigation, which at this time tells us they do not have evidence of a crime or a death since they will not reclassify the case from missing to criminal. That speaks volumes to me.

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